Pam Bondi claims Donald Trump has saved 75% of American lives in first 100 days

[NoDisplayName]

1 minute ago, simple1 said:

Basically Bondi either very poorly described the outcome of the intercept or she's an idiot.

 

Not a valid dichotomy.

[frank83628]

18 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

It's normally accepted border seizures represent approx 10% of what actually gets through border control. Basically Bondi either very poorly described the outcome of the intercept or she's an idiot.

 

https://usafacts.org/answers/how-much-fentanyl-is-seized-at-us-borders/country/united-states/

Yes, I understand what she meant, but it didnt come across very well. Especially after directing at the media.

[TheAppletons]

I love Pam Bondi.  She's so life-like.

[BLMFem]

I don't understand what all the fuzz is about. Pam Bondi is just another Trump appointed clown who's main purpose in life is to vigorously and continuously tongue-massage Trump's sphincter.

When she makes statements she talks to an audience of exactly one, and since access to Trump's aforementioned body part is hotly contested she has to make sure she says things that makes the orange clown pay attention and swing his biggly big behind in her direction. Hence the outlandish statements.

[BLMFem]

2 minutes ago, TheAppletons said:

I love Pam Bondi.  She's so life-like.

Yes, like a Stepford wife.

[frank83628]

1 hour ago, BLMFem said:

I don't understand what all the fuzz is about. Pam Bondi is just another Trump appointed clown who's main purpose in life is to vigorously and continuously tongue-massage Trump's sphincter.

When she makes statements she talks to an audience of exactly one, and since access to Trump's aforementioned body part is hotly contested she has to make sure she says things that makes the orange clown pay attention and swing his biggly big behind in her direction. Hence the outlandish statements.

Just like the black lezbo with the Afro was a DEI tongue bather for Biden and his ice cream choices 

[BLMFem]

3 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

Just like the black lezbo with the Afro was a DEI tongue bather for Biden and his ice cream choices 

No, Dmitri, they're not the same. Not the same league, not the same sport, not the same universe.

 

But, yeah, I agree with you regarding the afro. An African-American with an afro - how dare she!

[frank83628]

12 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

No, Dmitri, they're not the same. Not the same league, not the same sport, not the same universe.

 

But, yeah, I agree with you regarding the afro. An African-American with an afro - how dare she!

At least she is actually  a black lesbo, unlike your fake blm no longer funded fraudulent charity profile, 

[ThreeCardMonte]

16 hours ago, candide said:

Lo! The big surge in Fentanyl deaths occured under Trump!

https://nida.nih.gov/research-topics/trends-statistics/overdose-death-rates#Fig2

Is this what leftists MSM is putting out nowadays?

[frank83628]

16 hours ago, candide said:

Lo! The big surge in Fentanyl deaths occured under Trump!

https://nida.nih.gov/research-topics/trends-statistics/overdose-death-rates#Fig2

Why not a graph upto 2025 to include Biden?

It was a relatively new drug and only recently increased in use, however the Biden open borders allowed tonnes to flow in

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19 hours ago, frank83628 said:

No, what is said isnt worded well, however it is only a 20 second clip of her speaking, I expect if the whole thing was played it would be put into context..... but we know how the media like to edit things and lie. 'Fine people' being the classic case 

 

19 hours ago, frank83628 said:

No, what is said isnt worded well, however it is only a 20 second clip of her speaking, I expect if the whole thing was played it would be put into context..... but we know how the media like to edit things and lie. 'Fine people' being the classic case 

son

https://www.thedailybeast.com/resizer/v2/GFRYVTHTNVAPXPH7KZ6BR4V5QI.jpg?auth=e7547405f35b338a6435fc5032437945693abf61037b37887c98d7294c9eabff&smart=true&width=300

When asked how the attorney general arrived at that number, the Department of Justice provided a formula to the Daily Beast: 3,400,000 grams of fentanyl multiplied by the “current purity level” of .1518, divided by .002, the lethal amount per gram. The result: 258,060,000.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/pam-bondi-makes-head-spinning-claim-trump-saved-258m-american-lives/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

 

So, yeah, she said it and she meant it.

[BLMFem]

16 hours ago, frank83628 said:

At least she is actually  a black lesbo, unlike your fake blm no longer funded fraudulent charity profile, 

First you dissing her, then you're defending her. Why the confusion, Dmitri?

[candide]

3 hours ago, ThreeCardMonte said:

Is this what leftists MSM is putting out nowadays?

Is that the kind of empty deflections MAGAs are making nowadays? 

[ThreeCardMonte]

2 minutes ago, candide said:

Is that the kind of empty deflections MAGAs are making nowadays? 

Such as?

[candide]

3 hours ago, frank83628 said:

Why not a graph upto 2025 to include Biden?

It was a relatively new drug and only recently increased in use, however the Biden open borders allowed tonnes to flow in

Because it's the one I found.

Why don't you look for data instead of making baseless claims? 🤣

[MicroB]

23 hours ago, frank83628 said:

No, what is said isnt worded well, however it is only a 20 second clip of her speaking, I expect if the whole thing was played it would be put into context..... but we know how the media like to edit things and lie. 'Fine people' being the classic case 

 

 

A deliberate misrepresentation of the media. The clips most commonly circulated  show her speaking for between 3:50 and 3:59 minutes. I expect you to issue a retraction covering your error.

[MicroB]

22 hours ago, bamnutsak said:

 

 

 

 

 

I'm not sure the Vice President, looking at the quizzical expression that crossed his face, really agreed with the Attorney General's representation of LD50 for fentanyl.

 

The actual value in humans is unknown, so the estimates are derived variously for values determined in rats (3.1mg/kg) and primates (0.03mg/kg), an extraordinary wide range.

 

Even so, her claim is risible. She refers to 3.4 tonnes being seize, without reference the purity (is this crude or refined). The National Center for Drug Abuse sets the lethal dose as 2mg, so some quick maths indicates that 3.4 tonnes represents 1.7 billion lives.

 

This repeats similar claims from January

 

https://www.whitehouse.gov/fact-sheets/2025/02/fact-sheet-president-donald-j-trump-imposes-tariffs-on-imports-from-canada-mexico-and-china/

 

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Last fiscal year, Customs and Border Protection (CBP) apprehended more than 21,000 pounds of fentanyl at our borders, enough fentanyl to kill more than 4 billion people.

 

This is how the DOJ came up with the 258 million number:

 

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2025/05/trump-news-doj-fentanyl-pam-bondi-lives-saved.html

 

 

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1 kg of fentanyl * .1518 (current purity level) * 1000 (to convert to grams) / by .002 (amount needed for a deadly dose) = lethal dose of fentanyl

 

So, 3,400 Kg of fentanyl seized in Trump’s first 100 days 

 

3400*.1518

 

*1000

 

/.002

 

=258,060,000 deadly doses

 

 

Its interesting in the same cabinet presentation, while Bondi claimed that every 2 milligrams of crude fentanyl seized is a life saved, in the same breathm when  referring to 641,000 rounds of ammunition being seized, that 651,000 Americans saved.

 

But this is an Attorney General indulging in political rhetoric; the objective is to create fear among the American people in a selective manner. During the President's first administration, they tried to get fentanyl classified as a "weapon of mass destruction". It creates hysteria, and ultimately undermines the good work that is being done. We know how political spin completely undermined public support for the invasion of Iraq, by linking WMDs to 45 minutes; a genuine and well grounded intelligence assessment of Iraq's capabilities was spun into some frightening sounding numbers in order to shore up public support for the policy. But it backfired. I know those in the Servives who were exasperated by this.

 

The claim that 258 million lives were saved further collapses if you ask how much fentanyl got through.

 

In 2024, 10 tonnes of fentanyl were seized. Its not clear if this means 10 tonnes of material containing fentanyl, or 10 tonnes of fentanyl, maybe at 99%w/v. The DEA says what is seized is typically 10% w/v. So it will need further refinement once inside the US, before becoming a product. There will be a wastage rate, and I wouldn't like to guess what that would be in the typical kitchen-based drugs lab (which I have toured in the UK; disgusting looking places, and the police have to treat some of them as potential chemical weapons labs). Heisenberg was a TV fiction; there isn't a high schoo; chemistry teacher out there achieving high yields in a trailer.

https://www.cfr.org/article/how-does-fentanyl-reach-united-states

https://www.dea.gov/sites/default/files/2020-03/DEA_GOV_DIR-008-20 Fentanyl Flow in the United States_0.pdf

 

It seems difficult to actually determine how much fentanyl gets into the US each year, only what the seizures are. Its reasonable to assume that most evades border interdiction.

 

Which renders the 258 million claim even more meaningless, because if the amount seized in a few months is, generously, 50% of whats coming in, then by the end of the fiscal year. America is a lifeless wasteland. Everyone dead.

 

Various estimates are given about the number of fentanyl deaths that occur. For simplicity, call it 100,000 per year (the number is acutally a bit lower). If 3400 tonnes of fentanyl will kill 256 million people, than those 100,000 were killed by 13 grams of the stuff.

 

The reality is the AG is talking apples and oranges, and either doesn't understand the press releases from the DOJ or is being disengenousl during the DPRK-style cabinet meeting. In reality, what is seized is laced with fentanyl. and that might be a deliberate move by the smugglers to evade detection. Fentanyl is a precursor; inside the US< in the drug labs, it is further refined into a product sold on the street. The yields are likely very low, because, for the most part, these are professional labs with professional equipment. Border siezures can be interpreted as being either mre successful interdiction, or much more is coming in/

 

Most people using fentanyl-containing drugs do not die. The ones that die have overdosed. Fentanyl deaths is the only reliable measure of the success of border activities. To accurately measure those deaths takes a lot of collaboration between law enforcement, healthcare, and community groups, given that a significant portion of deaths may evade detection by the regular health authorities. But HHS cuts will likely impact that. So, there is a lack of joined up thinking. Or, more probably, just like stoking fear in people about 45 minute WMDs or 258 million deaths, its just theatre.

 

 

[frank83628]

1 hour ago, MicroB said:

 

 

A deliberate misrepresentation of the media. The clips most commonly circulated  show her speaking for between 3:50 and 3:59 minutes. I expect you to issue a retraction covering your error.

I was referring to the OP clip which was all we were shown. Someone has already posted a full version

[frank83628]

9 minutes ago, MicroB said:

 

 

I'm not sure the Vice President, looking at the quizzical expression that crossed his face, really agreed with the Attorney General's representation of LD50 for fentanyl.

 

The actual value in humans is unknown, so the estimates are derived variously for values determined in rats (3.1mg/kg) and primates (0.03mg/kg), an extraordinary wide range.

 

Even so, her claim is risible. She refers to 3.4 tonnes being seize, without reference the purity (is this crude or refined). The National Center for Drug Abuse sets the lethal dose as 2mg, so some quick maths indicates that 3.4 tonnes represents 1.7 billion lives.

 

This repeats similar claims from January

 

https://www.whitehouse.gov/fact-sheets/2025/02/fact-sheet-president-donald-j-trump-imposes-tariffs-on-imports-from-canada-mexico-and-china/

 

 

This is how the DOJ came up with the 258 million number:

 

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2025/05/trump-news-doj-fentanyl-pam-bondi-lives-saved.html

 

 

 

Its interesting in the same cabinet presentation, while Bondi claimed that every 2 milligrams of crude fentanyl seized is a life saved, in the same breathm when  referring to 641,000 rounds of ammunition being seized, that 651,000 Americans saved.

 

But this is an Attorney General indulging in political rhetoric; the objective is to create fear among the American people in a selective manner. During the President's first administration, they tried to get fentanyl classified as a "weapon of mass destruction". It creates hysteria, and ultimately undermines the good work that is being done. We know how political spin completely undermined public support for the invasion of Iraq, by linking WMDs to 45 minutes; a genuine and well grounded intelligence assessment of Iraq's capabilities was spun into some frightening sounding numbers in order to shore up public support for the policy. But it backfired. I know those in the Servives who were exasperated by this.

 

The claim that 258 million lives were saved further collapses if you ask how much fentanyl got through.

 

In 2024, 10 tonnes of fentanyl were seized. Its not clear if this means 10 tonnes of material containing fentanyl, or 10 tonnes of fentanyl, maybe at 99%w/v. The DEA says what is seized is typically 10% w/v. So it will need further refinement once inside the US, before becoming a product. There will be a wastage rate, and I wouldn't like to guess what that would be in the typical kitchen-based drugs lab (which I have toured in the UK; disgusting looking places, and the police have to treat some of them as potential chemical weapons labs). Heisenberg was a TV fiction; there isn't a high schoo; chemistry teacher out there achieving high yields in a trailer.

https://www.cfr.org/article/how-does-fentanyl-reach-united-states

https://www.dea.gov/sites/default/files/2020-03/DEA_GOV_DIR-008-20 Fentanyl Flow in the United States_0.pdf

 

It seems difficult to actually determine how much fentanyl gets into the US each year, only what the seizures are. Its reasonable to assume that most evades border interdiction.

 

Which renders the 258 million claim even more meaningless, because if the amount seized in a few months is, generously, 50% of whats coming in, then by the end of the fiscal year. America is a lifeless wasteland. Everyone dead.

 

Various estimates are given about the number of fentanyl deaths that occur. For simplicity, call it 100,000 per year (the number is acutally a bit lower). If 3400 tonnes of fentanyl will kill 256 million people, than those 100,000 were killed by 13 grams of the stuff.

 

The reality is the AG is talking apples and oranges, and either doesn't understand the press releases from the DOJ or is being disengenousl during the DPRK-style cabinet meeting. In reality, what is seized is laced with fentanyl. and that might be a deliberate move by the smugglers to evade detection. Fentanyl is a precursor; inside the US< in the drug labs, it is further refined into a product sold on the street. The yields are likely very low, because, for the most part, these are professional labs with professional equipment. Border siezures can be interpreted as being either mre successful interdiction, or much more is coming in/

 

Most people using fentanyl-containing drugs do not die. The ones that die have overdosed. Fentanyl deaths is the only reliable measure of the success of border activities. To accurately measure those deaths takes a lot of collaboration between law enforcement, healthcare, and community groups, given that a significant portion of deaths may evade detection by the regular health authorities. But HHS cuts will likely impact that. So, there is a lack of joined up thinking. Or, more probably, just like stoking fear in people about 45 minute WMDs or 258 million deaths, its just theatre.

 

 

I wonder if you ever gave the same scrutiny to any claims made by the Biden camp, or democrats in general, I seriously doubt it

If only the media did the same for both sides.

[jerrymahoney]

When I read the topic heading "Pam Bondi claims Donald Trump has saved 75% of American lives in first 100 days", I just figured the other 25 % died.

[ThreeCardMonte]

On 5/2/2025 at 4:47 PM, worgeordie said:

Your in a cult ,and you don't realise it , try and find some help.

 

 

regards Worgeordie

“Your in a cult“

 

How original!

 

Does that mean no longer racist, facist?

 

 

[candide]

9 hours ago, frank83628 said:

Why not a graph upto 2025 to include Biden?

It was a relatively new drug and only recently increased in use, however the Biden open borders allowed tonnes to flow in

I found a more up-to-date chart!

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db522.htm#section_4

 

Plus some recent data.

https://www.dea.gov/press-releases/2024/12/16/overdose-deaths-decline-fentanyl-threat-looms

 

[MicroB]

On 5/2/2025 at 1:28 PM, BLMFem said:

Yes, like a Stepford wife.

 

Poundshop Ivanka.

[MicroB]

3 hours ago, frank83628 said:

I wonder if you ever gave the same scrutiny to any claims made by the Biden camp, or democrats in general, I seriously doubt it

If only the media did the same for both sides.

 

Classic Communist deflection. This is what the Soviets always did; they invented "Whataboutism".

 

I seriously doubt you have a clue, Comrade. You are a Russian evading military service, spouting off on a forum about Thailand, probably hiding in Thailand, hoping your government doesn't find you and drag you to the front.

 

At least, that's the character you portray. You could be a one legged Anglo-Congolese lesbian transwoman. Sitting in your mum's basement in Ohio.

[BLMFem]

2 minutes ago, MicroB said:

 

I seriously doubt you have a clue, Comrade. You are a Russian evading military service, spouting off on a forum about Thailand, probably hiding in Thailand, hoping your government doesn't find you and drag you to the front.

 

At least, that's the character you portray. You could be a one legged Anglo-Congolese lesbian transwoman. Sitting in your mum's basement in Ohio.

My money's on the latter.

[frank83628]

Just now, MicroB said:

 

I seriously doubt you have a clue, Comrade. You are a Russian evading military service, spouting off on a forum about Thailand, probably hiding in Thailand, hoping your government doesn't find you and drag you to the front.

 

At least, that's the character you portray. You could be a one legged Anglo-Congolese lesbian transwoman. Sitting in your mum's basement in Ohio.

No, I am not, I was alway 1/2 Russian, never lived there but had a military father. And he and his pals crushed weak men like you every day just by looking at them.

I expect at you age an old pensioner, so a one legged transwomen is not something to be sniffed at, take it while you can aye,  tomorrow could be a heart attack and gone

[frank83628]

45 minutes ago, candide said:

I found a more up-to-date chart!

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db522.htm#section_4

 

Plus some recent data.

https://www.dea.gov/press-releases/2024/12/16/overdose-deaths-decline-fentanyl-threat-looms

 

No, you are purposely omitting Bidens 21-25 term

[frank83628]

25 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

My money's on the latter.

You don't have any money

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11 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

No, you are purposely omitting Bidens 21-25 term

The latest 12 month period for which data is available runs from Oct 1, 2023 to sep 20, 2024:

New provisional data from CDC's National Vital Statistics System predict a nearly 24% decline in drug overdose deaths in the United States for the 12 months ending in September 2024, compared to the previous year. This is the most recent national data available and shows a continued steep decline in overdose deaths. Provisional data shows about 87,000 drug overdose deaths from October 2023 to September 2024, down from around 114,000 the previous year.

https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2025/2025-cdc-reports-decline-in-us-drug-overdose-deaths.html?utm_source=chatgpt.com

 

● In 2020, 91,799 drug overdose deaths occurred in the United States for an age-adjusted rate of 28.3 per 100,000 standard population (Figure 1). The rate in 2020 (28.3) was 31% higher than the rate in 2019 (21.6).

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db428.pdf

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18 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

No, you are purposely omitting Bidens 21-25 term

At any rate, it looks like Trump is out to top the heights reached during Biden's term before the decline in deaths began:

 

Trump plan to slash lifesaving Narcan would cost lives, Hamilton County officials say

Federal funding for Narcan, an overdose-reversing medication that has saved the lives of more than 110,000 people in Ohio alone over the past decade, is in jeopardy.
The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services plans to decrease its discretionary spending by a third, which includes terminating lifesaving programs like a $56 million grant that distributes naloxone, including the brand Narcan, across the country and trains first responders in how to use it.
Now, Hamilton County officials are scrambling to figure out how much of the county's supply of the overdose-reversal drug depends on the federal grant – and whether they can convince President Donald Trump to change course.

https://archive.ph/frLhX#selection-553.0-573.223