US Pushes Forward with Private Aid Plan for Gaza Amid UN Opposition

[SamSaraburi]

Surely even the diehard supporters of Israel condemn this almost daily killing of Palestinians.

Dreadful.

[Bkk Brian]

3 hours ago, SamSaraburi said:

Surely even the diehard supporters of Israel condemn this almost daily killing of Palestinians.

Dreadful.

Yes, Hamas fake reporting and its attacks on aid workers and civilians is dreadful. 

[Evil Penevil]

2 hours ago, SamSaraburi said:

Surely even the diehard supporters of Israel condemn this almost daily killing of Palestinians.

Dreadful.

 

I am a diehard supporter of Israel and I most certainly condemn the killing of civilians, Israeli and Palestinian, by Hamas.  The disregard for Palestinian lives shown by Hamas is indeed dreadful and should be condemned by everyone.  

[bannork]

The US State Department has approved $30 million in funding for the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation, the State Department said on Thursday, calling on other countries to also support the controversial group delivering aid in war-torn Gaza.

 

"This support is simply the latest iteration of President Trump's and Secretary Rubio's pursuit of peace in the region," State Department deputy spokesperson Tommy Pigott told reporters at a regular news briefing.

 

Reuters was first to report the move earlier this week.

 

US to give $30 million to Gaza Humanitarian Foundation despite violence concerns

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

“We call on other countries to also support the GHF….a track record of distributing over 46 million meals distributed to date, all while preventing Hamas’ looting is ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLE and should be COMMENDED and SUPPORTED. From day one, we said we are open to creative solutions that securely provide aid to those in Gaza and protects Israel. The support is simply the latest iteration of 
@POTUS's and @SecRubio's pursuit of peace in the region.” @StateDept  Principal Deputy Spokesperson Tommy Piggot

 

 

[bannork]

Johnnie Moore, executive director of GHF, told Sky News that there is a "disinformation campaign" that is "meant to shut down our efforts" in the Gaza Strip, fuelled by "some figures" coming out every day.

 

"We're not contesting at all that there have been casualties in the Gaza Strip. I mean, there's no ceasefire. This is an active conflict," Mr Moore said.

 

"I think people may not understand as clearly what it means to operate a humanitarian operation on this scale, in an environment this complex, in a piece of land as small as the Gaza Strip, and may not appreciate that almost anything that happens in the Gaza Strip is going to take place in proximity to something."

 

Head of controversial Gaza aid group calls UN data on deaths 'disinformation'

 

[Bkk Brian]

11 minutes ago, bannork said:

Johnnie Moore, executive director of GHF, told Sky News that there is a "disinformation campaign" that is "meant to shut down our efforts" in the Gaza Strip, fuelled by "some figures" coming out every day.

 

"We're not contesting at all that there have been casualties in the Gaza Strip. I mean, there's no ceasefire. This is an active conflict," Mr Moore said.

 

"I think people may not understand as clearly what it means to operate a humanitarian operation on this scale, in an environment this complex, in a piece of land as small as the Gaza Strip, and may not appreciate that almost anything that happens in the Gaza Strip is going to take place in proximity to something."

 

Head of controversial Gaza aid group calls UN data on deaths 'disinformation'

 

Well of course he's not disputing there are deaths in Gaza, its a frigging war zone! Some of his own aid workers have been killed by Hamas in Gaza.

[bannork]

Aitor Zabalgogeaskoa, the Gaza emergency coordinator at Médecins Sans Frontières, said:

The four distribution sites, all located in areas under the full control of Israeli forces after people had been forcibly displaced from there, are the size of football fields surrounded by watch points, mounds of earth and barbed wire.

 

The fenced entrance gives only one access point in or out. GHF workers drop the pallets and the boxes of food and open the fences, allowing thousands in all at once to fight down to the last grain of rice.

 

Israeli-US food distribution scheme in Gaza is ‘slaughter masquerading as aid’ says MSF – Middle East crisis live

 

 

 

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[coolcarer]

33 minutes ago, bannork said:

Aitor Zabalgogeaskoa, the Gaza emergency coordinator at Médecins Sans Frontières, said:

The four distribution sites, all located in areas under the full control of Israeli forces after people had been forcibly displaced from there, are the size of football fields surrounded by watch points, mounds of earth and barbed wire.

 

The fenced entrance gives only one access point in or out. GHF workers drop the pallets and the boxes of food and open the fences, allowing thousands in all at once to fight down to the last grain of rice.

 

Israeli-US food distribution scheme in Gaza is ‘slaughter masquerading as aid’ says MSF – Middle East crisis live

 

 

 

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Hamas doesn’t want this life saving aid given out free by GHF to work either. They go as far as murdering it’s workers and Gazans 

[Somjot]

On 6/25/2025 at 7:07 PM, Evil Penevil said:

 

I am a diehard supporter of Israel and I most certainly condemn the killing of civilians, Israeli and Palestinian, by Hamas.  The disregard for Palestinian lives shown by Hamas is indeed dreadful and should be condemned by everyone.  

 

That is very praiseworthy.

 

But how do you see The disregard for Palestinian lives, cities, hospitals, help workers, doctors, journalists, schools, refugee camps, children`s lives, and, and ,and shown by ISRAEL? Should it also be condemned by everyone?

 

If yes, why haven`t you until now?

 

If no, why? 

[Somjot]

2 hours ago, coolcarer said:

Hamas doesn’t want this life saving aid given out free by GHF to work either. They go as far as murdering it’s workers and Gazans 

Do you have any proof for this?

Except your agenda: Israel good, even if bad, Muslim bad, even if good.

Where is the logic in that?

For the last 20 months Palestinians have been killed by the 10s of thousands by the IDF from Israel using weapons from the USA.

Then they starved to death, because Israel closed all borders stopping any kind of food or supplies getting in.

Before that a UN organization distributed supplies and Hamas never killed any Palestinian at their distribution sites.

Then Israel kicked them out and an organization backed by Israel and the US distribute all aid since last month.

And at the same time Hamas suddenly started firing at their own people?

Makes perfect sense.

Again, do you have any proof for that?

Because not only Palestinians but western doctors and nurses working there tell another story.

Not to mention, that theory, about Hamas stealing food to resell it for a high price to their own people in order to finance their war, is absolute nonsense.

Let's for the sake of the argument assume, this is the truth.

At least this was Israel`s  justification to close all borders and stop any kind of supplies getting into Gaza, right.

In that case, wouldn't it make perfect sense to flood the place with food and by doing so bankrupt Hamas or at least stop them from getting the people's money?

And if Hamas is really shooting at their own people at the distribution sites, wouldn't that be a perfect occasion for the IDF to come and get them, as it would be so easy to distinguish between innocent civilians and Hamas terrorists?

No gun and being shot at = innocent civilian

Gun and shooting at others = Hamas terrorist

Or could it be more likely that Israel, who has been killing Palestinians with US weapons for the last 20 months is again killing Palestinians by luring them to the Israeli - US controlled distribution sites?

Which would be a new level of  low.

 

[Nick Carter icp]

17 minutes ago, Somjot said:

And if Hamas is really shooting at their own people at the distribution sites, wouldn't that be a perfect occasion for the IDF to come and get them

 

   Headline next day :

   IDF kills 38 innocent Palestinians queuing up for food 

[Evil Penevil]

1 hour ago, Somjot said:

 

That is very praiseworthy.

 

But how do you see The disregard for Palestinian lives, cities, hospitals, help workers, doctors, journalists, schools, refugee camps, children`s lives, and, and ,and shown by ISRAEL? Should it also be condemned by everyone?

 

If yes, why haven`t you until now?

 

If no, why? 

 

I don't accept the phrasing of your questions.  I don't believe Israel has shown disregard for "Palestinian lives, cities, hospitals, help workers, doctors, journalists, schools, refugee camps, children`s lives, and, and ,and ..."  I believe Israel has shown as much regard for Palestinian lives and property as is possible during urban warfare in the Gaza Strip.  An unfortunately high number of non-combatant lives have been lost and many buildings and much infrastructure has been destroyed, but  hat's due to the strategy and tactics of Hamas which turn civilians and civilian facilities into legitimate military targets.  Hamas hides fighters and military equipment in protected sites such as schools, hospitals and apartment buildings, and the Palestinians in whose name it claims to be acting pay the price.

 

John Spencer, an expert on urban warfare, has been quoted on this issue in several threads on AN.  I'll quote him again, because he is spot on.  https://www.newsweek.com/israel-has-created-new-standard-urban-warfare-why-will-no-one-admit-it-opinion-1883286

"But all available evidence shows that Israel has followed the laws of war, legal obligations, best practices in civilian harm mitigation and still found a way to reduce civilian casualties to historically low levels.

"Those calling for Israel to find an alternative to inflicting civilian casualties to lower amounts (like zero) should be honest that this alternative would leave the Israeli hostages in captivity and allow Hamas to survive the war. The alternative to a nation's survival cannot be a path to extinction."

 

The sentence I put in bold text is the overriding reason why Israel should not be condemned.  It is fighting for its survival against a terrorist group which seeks to destroy Israel and massacre its citizens.  The tactics used by Hamas, mainly hiding among non-combatants, force Israel to use harsh responses to defeat it.

 

[Somjot]

2 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Headline next day :

   IDF kills 38 innocent Palestinians queuing up for food 

 

I do you a better one:

 

Now they even admit it.

 

 

 

Seriously, some guys in here are in a dangerous state of denial.

[Somjot]

1 hour ago, Evil Penevil said:

 

I don't accept the phrasing of your questions.  I don't believe Israel has shown disregard for "Palestinian lives, cities, hospitals, help workers, doctors, journalists, schools, refugee camps, children`s lives, and, and ,and ..."  I believe Israel has shown as much regard for Palestinian lives and property as is possible during urban warfare in the Gaza Strip.  An unfortunately high number of non-combatant lives have been lost and many buildings and much infrastructure has been destroyed, but  hat's due to the strategy and tactics of Hamas which turn civilians and civilian facilities into legitimate military targets.  Hamas hides fighters and military equipment in protected sites such as schools, hospitals and apartment buildings, and the Palestinians in whose name it claims to be acting pay the price.

 

John Spencer, an expert on urban warfare, has been quoted on this issue in several threads on AN.  I'll quote him again, because he is spot on.  https://www.newsweek.com/israel-has-created-new-standard-urban-warfare-why-will-no-one-admit-it-opinion-1883286

"But all available evidence shows that Israel has followed the laws of war, legal obligations, best practices in civilian harm mitigation and still found a way to reduce civilian casualties to historically low levels.

"Those calling for Israel to find an alternative to inflicting civilian casualties to lower amounts (like zero) should be honest that this alternative would leave the Israeli hostages in captivity and allow Hamas to survive the war. The alternative to a nation's survival cannot be a path to extinction."

 

The sentence I put in bold text is the overriding reason why Israel should not be condemned.  It is fighting for its survival against a terrorist group which seeks to destroy Israel and massacre its citizens.  The tactics used by Hamas, mainly hiding among non-combatants, force Israel to use harsh responses to defeat it.

 

I have to admit that I have some prejudice:

I don't give much on the words of a person who had nothing better to do by the age of 17 to join the army and go on 2 combat tours in the illegal war on Iraq, to topple Saddam, find his weapons of mass destruction and create a democracy.

We all know how well that went.

His claims of Israel’s ratio of civilian casualties in Gaza being historically low for Modern Warfare have been debunked by Professor Michael Spagat from the university of London and the Red Cross and others.

Same as him praising the IDF giving civilians days or weeks to evacuate battle zones were untrue, as the IDF had ordered 1,000,000 Gazans to evacuate from northern Gaza to southern Gaza in 24 hours, which was practically impossible.

He is just another whitewasher of Israels war crimes.

Now to this so many times repeated yet complete nonsense:

The alternative to a nation's survival cannot be a path to extinction.

Use your intellect. When was Israel EVER close to or on a path to extinction??

Some Hamas lunatics may dream of wiping Israel of the map, but the truth is, even if Hamas would storm Israel and face no resistance, they would not have enough bullets or out of date rockets to extinct Israel, let alone wipe it from the map.

On the other hand side Israel has just flattened Gaza, killed 10s of thousands, does ethnical cleansing while at the same time stealing land in the West Bank and killing the Palestinians there if they resist, not to mention the help workers, executed and buried and so many other things like recently shooting at starving people and you still think they are following any law or rules to protect Palestinians??

Just because of some U.S. military guy, who's country enabled the mass murder in Gaza with their weapons, has written something a year ago, while the horrible truth is unfolding in front of your eyes every day?

I agree with you. The alternative to a nation`s survival cannot be a path to extinction.

But the survival of a nation should also not come with the price of the extinction of another.

Therefore, there is only one intelligent solution:

In the 21st century there is no place on this planet for an ethno state. This is simply out of date.

From its first day on Israel should not have expelled hundreds of thousands of Arabs and killed 10s of thousands, who have been living there for generations. It should have lived with them and thrived with them same as all inhabitants of that area did in the last millennium, where Jews, Christians and Muslims have been living side by side in peace.

Both sides must finally accept and respect the message, that they have been giving each other for decades now: “We are not going anywhere.”

This or keep on killing each other same as in the last 77 years.