Am I in trouble?I have an O visa ,reside in Rayong and just spent four days in Bangkok

[Wongkitlo]

On 5/28/2025 at 11:47 AM, thesetat said:

Your hotel would have registered you there and leaving.

I agree what you are saying but I have done the reporting for tm30 online and, unless it has changed recently, it only reports arrivals. There is no option or obligation to report departures so Immigration will not know if he stayed 48 hours or longer. 

I have often thought this is the pointlessness of the TM 30 system.  You can be reported at the hotel you initially arrive in and then go to any province in Thailand and committ as much crime as you like and as far as  immigration  knows, you are still back where you were reported at.

[BrandonJT]

3 hours ago, Wongkitlo said:

I agree what you are saying but I have done the reporting for tm30 online and, unless it has changed recently, it only reports arrivals. There is no option or obligation to report departures so Immigration will not know if he stayed 48 hours or longer. 

I have often thought this is the pointlessness of the TM 30 system.  You can be reported at the hotel you initially arrive in and then go to any province in Thailand and committ as much crime as you like and as far as  immigration  knows, you are still back where you were reported at.

There is a non-required field on the new TM30 system for check-out date.

[edwardflory]

A TM-30, in theory, is your ""normal"" residence - although hotels do TM-30's if you use your passport to check in.  You should do a new TM-30 when you return to your home address. BUT as usual, find out LOCAL OFFICE POLICY.

 

A TM-47 ( 90 day report) IS basically confirmation that you still live at your TM-30 address.  MANY IO's are NOW cross checking ( mine does ) the TM's now.

[Liquorice]

23 hours ago, Wongkitlo said:

I agree what you are saying but I have done the reporting for tm30 online and, unless it has changed recently, it only reports arrivals. There is no option or obligation to report departures so Immigration will not know if he stayed 48 hours or longer. 

I have often thought this is the pointlessness of the TM 30 system.  You can be reported at the hotel you initially arrive in and then go to any province in Thailand and committ as much crime as you like and as far as  immigration  knows, you are still back where you were reported at.

As an individual in private or rented housing, you complete the main TM30 form.

Hotels/Guest houses also complete the secondary part of the form advising who is in residence and the duration of stay.

 

 

 

 

[ronnie50]

On 5/27/2025 at 7:41 AM, Liquorice said:

Did you also read the new regulations for TM30 reporting;

Number 31 in this list; https://aseannow.com/topic/981135-laws-regulations-police-orders-etc/

This is interesting. I wasn't aware of item 2.2 in that order. I also note it is dated 2020. Has it been superceded with a newer order?

 

It says if you go stay somewhere else for a while and then come back within the period (I guess within your rental/tenancy expiration) a new TM30 is NOT required. It doesn't specify whether that's in Thailand or anywhere else actually. Is that your read of it too?

[ronnie50]

On 5/31/2025 at 7:20 PM, Wongkitlo said:

I agree what you are saying but I have done the reporting for tm30 online and, unless it has changed recently, it only reports arrivals. There is no option or obligation to report departures so Immigration will not know if he stayed 48 hours or longer. 

I have often thought this is the pointlessness of the TM 30 system.  You can be reported at the hotel you initially arrive in and then go to any province in Thailand and committ as much crime as you like and as far as  immigration  knows, you are still back where you were reported at.

Maybe the hotel report is a slightly different TM30? Maybe it indicates your check-in and intended check-out?

[BrandonJT]

41 minutes ago, ronnie50 said:

This is interesting. I wasn't aware of item 2.2 in that order. I also note it is dated 2020. Has it been superceded with a newer order?

 

It says if you go stay somewhere else for a while and then come back within the period (I guess within your rental/tenancy expiration) a new TM30 is NOT required. It doesn't specify whether that's in Thailand or anywhere else actually. Is that your read of it too?

There is no newer order, but as always, each immigration office interprets the rules as they see fit. So some still require it.

 

37 minutes ago, ronnie50 said:

Maybe the hotel report is a slightly different TM30? Maybe it indicates your check-in and intended check-out?

There is no different form.  The system has a check-in and check-out date for all TM30s. But the check-out date field is not required.

[Liquorice]

11 minutes ago, ronnie50 said:

This is interesting. I wasn't aware of item 2.2 in that order. I also note it is dated 2020. Has it been superceded with a newer order?

It was an official change to the filing regulations of TM30's under section 38 of the Immigration Act and was published in the Royal Gazette and has not been rescinded or amended since publication in 2020.

 

In 2023 on a return trip from the UK, after 90 days I went in person to submit a 90 day report and looking through his PC the officer stated he couldn't locate my previous 90 day report. Well, no, I was out of the Country, hence the in person reporting.

He then commented I should have filed a new TM30 on re-entry, at which point I referred to the NEW TM30 regulations, which he wasn't aware of. After checking with his supervisor he stated I was perfectly correct, apologised and proceed with the 90 day report.

 

At least my IO now comply with the new regulations, which is not to say all do, or are even aware of the change.
As previously stated, check with your own IO.

 

31 minutes ago, ronnie50 said:

It says if you go stay somewhere else for a while and then come back within the period (I guess within your rental/tenancy expiration) a new TM30 is NOT required. It doesn't specify whether that's in Thailand or anywhere else actually. Is that your read of it too?

Yes, the only specific under 2.22 is 'occasionally stay somewhere within the period of stay that has not yet ended'.

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 2.2 After a householder, owner or possessor of dwelling place or
 hotel manager already made a notification according to 2.1, then the alien
 goes to occasionally stay somewhere else and return to stay at the original place
 within the notified period of stay tahat has not yet ended, such householder,
 owner or possessor of dwelling place or hotel manager is not required to make
 a notification again.

 

It definitely applies to visits overseas, if you read further of the same section.

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 The alien mentioned in paragraph 1 shall include any alien
 receiving a multiply entry visa who departs the Kingdom and returns within
 the validity of visa and any alien permitted to re-enter into the Kingdom with
 a valid re-entry permit.

 

You wouldn't need a valid visa or re-entry permit to visit locally within Thailand.