JAPAN - Prof dr Yasufumi MURAKAMI: "The more doses you get, the sooner you’re likely to die"

[Lacessit]

 

The first polio vaccine was used for mass immunisation in 1955, not 1957.

 

Typhoid vaccination was used for troops in World War 1.

 

The vaccine  for scarlet fever was developed in 1924. It was never used, as antibiotics dealt with the disease effectively. Saying there is no vaccine is wrong.

 

Your post therefore has three errors of fact.

 

I do find it rather odd you are frothing at the mouth about miniscule data on vaccines and side effects, while blithely ignoring the 10% of people who benefited from them.

 

That's assuming 90% were helped by clean water and sanitation, which is a hypothesis, not a finding of fact.

 

Anyone who has traveled on the London Tube will know what I mean. Sanitary it is not.

[johng]

53 minutes ago, Hummin said:

What we really need for the anti-vaxxers is a disease to come along with a 95% mortality rate, and a vaccination which is 99% effective in preventing death.

In your nightmare scenario we would all be dead... unless  of course they made the

“vaccine“ /antidote for the manufactured disease before it was released.

[Hummin]

12 minutes ago, johng said:

In your nightmare scenario we would all be dead... unless  of course they made the

“vaccine“ /antidote for the manufactured disease before it was released.

Did I say that ? 

[Lacessit]

29 minutes ago, Hummin said:

I can assure you and everyone else, my lack of knowledge is ignorance, Because I’m no scientist, but I want to believe in what is right and wrong, and try to separate wrong from right. I accept I can be wrong, and I am willing to change my view in exchange for correct information and proven sciences 

Science does not care what you believe.

 

There are agreed pillars of science which determine validity:

 

Experimental design.

 

Testing of hypotheses to destruction.

 

Precise and accurate methods of measurement.

 

Double blind trials.

 

Appropriate use of statistics.

 

Peer review of material generated.

 

The vast majority of articles anti-vaxxers seize on

as justifying their stance fail one or more of these criteria with monotonous regularity.

[johng]

13 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Did I say that ? 

How would your scenario come about other than how I set out above ?

[Hummin]

7 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Science does not care what you believe.

 

There are agreed pillars of science which determine validity:

 

Experimental design.

 

Testing of hypotheses to destruction.

 

Precise and accurate methods of measurement.

 

Double blind trials.

 

Appropriate use of statistics.

 

Peer review of material generated.

 

The vast majority of articles anti-vaxxers seize on

as justifying their stance fail one or more of these criteria with monotonous regularity.

I know, still I'm human

 

I trust we as specie are part of changing the environment, both locally, and also globally, but the solution's by politicians I do not believe or trust.

 

And some goes for political science resolving.

 

Many politicians did go against experts advices based on what's best for people in general and society as a whole. 

 

I do not mistrust vaccines but the political solution's. 

 

We can't just base our life's on pure science, humans are not made for it yet, if ever

[Hummin]

Just now, johng said:

How would your scenario come about other than how I set out above ?

You qouted me, but The guy you quoted was not me. 

[johng]

4 minutes ago, Hummin said:

You qouted me, but The guy you quoted was not me. 

My apologies it was @Lacessit

Imagining a nightmare scenario.

 

[spidermike007]

Well I think it's good news that this kind of report is being released and is getting attention, it certainly goes against the covid narrative, and it certainly defies what Big Pharma, the CDC, and the WHO has been trying to convince us of all along.

 

I was always a bit of a vaccine skeptic and thankfully information like this confirms what many of us thought might be the case. 

 

 

[Mike_Hunt]

7 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

Because in the absence of large death-causing factors, mortality rates are very stable, and show very little variation.  Life-insurance companies base their annual premiums and expected pay-out on these very stable mortality rates in the population.    

You cannot argue about death or not-death, and so they are the ultimate yardstick to evaluate impact and effectiveness of population-wide implemented measures to prevent death.  

Ed Dowd - a former Blackrock data analyst - has analysed the mortality rate figures in the US, and did come to exactly same conclusion as the Japanese are now bringing out.  And that is that instead of preventing death, which would result in a slight decrease in mortality rate or a stable trend, that the jabs actually increase the death-rate of those that were jabbed.  

The Japanese database of 18 million people - now also shows that the death-rate not only always increases after being jabbed, but that the more jabs you got the higher the peak in mortality. 

Here is the mortality rate in Japan.  As. you see it trending up as the population ages. 

 

https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/jpn/japan/death-rate

[Mike_Hunt]

7 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

I don't speak/read Japanese, so I have to rely on translations from people who do.  

But to get the information you ask, I suggest you make use of - the free version of - ChatGPT or another AI-source like Grok, that will be able to provide you with access to the information you are looking for.  And not only that, the AI program can also analyze the data and provide you with the results of any question you ask it.    

However, be weary of the source that the program is using to provide its responses (normally it will add a reference). 

And insist that the program should make use of the actual database figures for its analyses rather than copying what mainstream newspapers tell you, as some of these have an agenda.  

Since there is no published paper that I can find.   I will call this a hoax.  

[Mike_Hunt]

6 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

I think you mean 'confirmation' Sir.

Please point me to the methodology used in the study. 

[Lacessit]

2 minutes ago, Hummin said:

I know, still I'm human

 

I trust we as specie are part of changing the environment, both locally, and also globally, but the solution's by politicians I do not believe or trust.

 

And some goes for political science resolving.

 

Many politicians did go against experts advices based on what's best for people in general and society as a whole. 

 

I do not mistrust vaccines but the political solution's. 

 

We can't just base our life's on pure science, humans are not made for it yet, if ever

There's science, and there's belief. Science is not easy, and difficult to explain. Belief is easy, no explanation needed.

 

South Korea has one of the highest levels of scientists and engineers in the world. It also has one of the most vibrant economies.

 

When the COVID pandemic hit in 2019, South Korea responded aggressively with a 96% vaccine uptake rate, plus other measures. The benefits showed in one of the lowest death rates of any country.

 

In contrast, politics vs science in the USA probably resulted in a couple of hundred thousand unnecessary deaths.

 

South Korea's uptake rate of booster shots has been considerably lower. They have probably figured out the weaker strains which succeeded the delta version are not too much to be concerned about. I can't say I disagree with that point of view, unless it is the most vulnerable cohort.

 

Having said that, the South Korea experience vis-a-vis America illustrates the difference education can make in determining public health outcomes.

[Hummin]

5 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

There's science, and there's belief. Science is not easy, and difficult to explain. Belief is easy, no explanation needed.

 

South Korea has one of the highest levels of scientists and engineers in the world. It also has one of the most vibrant economies.

 

When the COVID pandemic hit in 2019, South Korea responded aggressively with a 96% vaccine uptake rate, plus other measures. The benefits showed in one of the lowest death rates of any country.

 

In contrast, politics vs science in the USA probably resulted in a couple of hundred thousand unnecessary deaths.

 

South Korea's uptake rate of booster shots has been considerably lower. They have probably figured out the weaker strains which succeeded the delta version are not too much to be concerned about. I can't say I disagree with that point of view, unless it is the most vulnerable cohort.

 

Having said that, the South Korea experience vis-a-vis America illustrates the difference education can make in determining public health outcomes.

 

Korea is the most structured and diciplined culture and society on level with Japan, but Japan have also a higher percenTage who lives under poverty line,  as well distrust in government.

[Lacessit]

51 minutes ago, johng said:

In your nightmare scenario we would all be dead... unless  of course they made the

“vaccine“ /antidote for the manufactured disease before it was released.

It would be a race between the spread of the disease, and how quickly researchers could develop a vaccine.

 

It took 66 days between the release of the viral genome sequence and injecting a human with a mRNA COVID vaccine. The turnaround was unprecedented.

 

Instead of being hailed as one hell of a scientific life-saving breakthrough, it is now the subject of endless carping by illiterates.

[Mike_Hunt]

28 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Well I think it's good news that this kind of report is being released and is getting attention, it certainly goes against the covid narrative, and it certainly defies what Big Pharma, the CDC, and the WHO has been trying to convince us of all along.

 

I was always a bit of a vaccine skeptic and thankfully information like this confirms what many of us thought might be the case. 

 

 

 

This report is bunk.  

[spidermike007]

29 minutes ago, Mike_Hunt said:

 

This report is bunk.  

Well you have absolutely no credibility on this forum, so what you say doesn't really mean anything to anybody. 

 

And I would expect you to be a follow the narrative kind of bloke. 

[Stiddle Mump]

29 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

It would be a race between the spread of the disease, and how quickly researchers could develop a vaccine.

 

It took 66 days between the release of the viral genome sequence and injecting a human with a mRNA COVID vaccine. The turnaround was unprecedented.

 

Instead of being hailed as one hell of a scientific life-saving breakthrough, it is now the subject of endless carping by illiterates.

Monumental humbug.

 

There is not now, or ever has been, a disease that can spread through the world. That is not to say some nutter of a country can't release a poison. 

[hotsun]

6 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Well you have absolutely no credibility on this forum, so what you say doesn't really mean anything to anybody. 

 

And I would expect you to be a follow the narrative kind of bloke. 

No credibility would be the extremists, IE the antivaxxers and the covid booster people. You arent the moderate that you think

[johng]

39 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

took 66 days between the release of the viral genome sequence and injecting a human with a mRNA COVID vaccine. The turnaround was unprecedented

Moving at the speed of “science“

unprecedented stupidity ! 

I hope the criminals are brought to justice for this crime against humanity along with all those who where “just following orders“

[johng]

8 minutes ago, hotsun said:

No credibility would be the extremists

The extremists are those who

cheared on the shaming, ridicule,deplatforming,debanking

of those who questioned the ridiculous lockdowns, masking , social  distancing new normal  mandatory jabbing distopian nightmare.

[hotsun]

1 minute ago, johng said:

The extremists are those who

cheared on the shaming, ridicule,deplatforming,debanking

of those who questioned the ridiculous lockdowns, masking , social  distancing new normal  mandatory jabbing distopian nightmare.

Yes the booster people who still wear masks. Anti vaxxers are no better

[johng]

57 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

would be a race between the spread of the disease, and how quickly researchers could develop a vaccine

In your nightmare scenario of 95% mortality there won't be enough time or genius left to find a “cure“

If it spreads at the speed of science like the "Covid" did.

 

[Hummin]

21 minutes ago, johng said:

The extremists are those who

cheared on the shaming, ridicule,deplatforming,debanking

of those who questioned the ridiculous lockdowns, masking , social  distancing new normal  mandatory jabbing distopian nightmare.

Still hurts I see, even It was ment for the best of everyone's health in a short period, there where little knownledge what we faced, and based on earlier history, especially Spanish flu In mind, 

 

Unnecessary to say you guys knew better, 

[Lacessit]

50 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Monumental humbug.

 

There is not now, or ever has been, a disease that can spread through the world. That is not to say some nutter of a country can't release a poison. 

Bubonic plague and Spanish flu were both global pandemics. Goodness, I nearly forgot COVID.

 

Thanks for proving once again you are the most ignorant poster ever on ASEAN.

[johng]

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

Unnecessary to say you guys knew better 

There was a protocol in place 

for many years but  the "geniuses" threw it out and made up new “science“ on a whim.

 

Really smart people proposed 

The great Barrington declaration based on the existing protocols but somehow they became antivax loons ! ! ! 

[Red Phoenix]

3 hours ago, Lacessit said:

What we really need for the anti-vaxxers is a disease to come along with a 95% mortality rate, and a vaccination which is 99% effective in preventing death. It would be interesting to see how many would stick to their guns, and how many still carped about side effects.

 

Talking about 'extremists'... 

 

[Stiddle Mump]

13 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Bubonic plague and Spanish flu were both global pandemics. Goodness, I nearly forgot COVID.

 

Thanks for proving once again you are the most ignorant poster ever on ASEAN.

Bubonic Plague and Spanish Flu certainly killed a lot of folks. But neither were responsible for killing by means of a pathogenic virus. 

 

As for you calling me ignorant; that could be a badge of honour.

[Lacessit]

46 minutes ago, johng said:

Moving at the speed of “science“

unprecedented stupidity ! 

I hope the criminals are brought to justice for this crime against humanity along with all those who where “just following orders“

mRNA was first discovered in the 1960's, and its potential as a vaccine platform was realized early on.

 

In 2023, Kariko and Weismann were awarded the Nobel Prize in medicine for their seminal work of 2005 in nucleoside base modifications which enabled the development of COVID vaccines.

 

Perhaps you should send your complaints into the Nobel Committee, and pursue them in the International court of Justice.

 

Their work saved millions of lives. How many lives have you saved?

 

 

[Lacessit]

5 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Bubonic Plague and Spanish Flu certainly killed a lot of folks. But neither were responsible for killing by means of a pathogenic virus. 

 

As for you calling me ignorant; that could be a badge of honour.

You are half right - bubonic plague is a bacterium, yersinia pestis.

 

Basking in ignorance as a badge of honour appears to be the fall-back position of many people who are on the left-hand side of the IQ distribution.