UK British Citizens Being Left Behind? Councils Housing More Asylum Seekers Than the Homeless”

[johnnybangkok]

1 hour ago, impulse said:

 

So, basically they're economic migrants.  In search of better living conditions. 

 

Because asylum seekers are legally required to apply in the first safe country they land in.

 

Some of them are. Others are not. I don't think I've denied this and in fact said in one of my posts 'No one denying there are 'economic migrants' but those should be assessed and deported asap but with a wait list of 91,000 (the real problem), that's not happening nearly quick enough.'

 

If this was your big 'gotcha' moment then I'm happy to disappoint.

[GanDoonToonPet]

2 hours ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Enoch Powell was old-fashioned and racist!  There can be no doubt about that.  

 

Very low resolution understanding of the man.

 

When he was an officer in India, his best friend was an Indian officer. When they both went to the British officers' mess together, and everyone told his friend to get out, he replied 'If he goes, I go' and went to sit with his friend in the Indian officers' mess.

 

After he returned to the UK, he invited said same officer to spend christmas with him every year until he died. Does that sound like a racist to you?

 

Enoch Powell was a highly intelligent, educated and articulate man. He was well versed in history and the politics of the time, namely the wars in Israel-Palestine and India-Pakistan and the civil rights movement in America. It was these things which led to his concerns about immigration.

 

Now we are seeing the settler-colonialism of the UK (predominantly England) by Arab muslims who cluster in settlements / enclaves which, thanks to our electoral system, give them disproportionate electoral power. The power is effectively in the hands of the Imams, who instruct the men on how to vote, who in turn instruct their women and children; ironically, the patriarchy which we are supposed to despise. 🤔

 

Already we have local councillors elected on the 'Gaza ticket', who shout 'allahu akbar...free Palestine' as a war cry, a Pakistani mayor who cries 'I represent the people of Pakistan' to her constituents, people being prosecuted for burning the Koran and a law against 'Islamophobia' in the making. 

[johnnybangkok]

13 minutes ago, Donga said:

Oh dear, thanks for the education, Johnny.

So Daily Mail is the polar opposite of BBC, The Guardian, ABC, The Sydney Morning Herald, Washington Post, The New York Times, CNN, Los Angeles Times and all those other tired old media, which cling to their steadily declining base who sleep smugly at night knowing they are clever and compassionate while the others are so cruel and evil.

Go Johnny, only you know what a smart person you truly are.

Isn't it just amazing how all of the papers you quoted (don't know much about The Sydney Morning Herald though but I'm assuming it's of the same ilk) were very recently the bastion of great journalism until Trump and the far-right started with all the 'fake-news' BS. It's like something straight out of Lawrence Britt's, 'Fascism, Anyone?' written in 2003 -  

 

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights 
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
4. Supremacy of the Military
5. Rampant Sexism
6. Controlled Mass Media
7. Obsession with National Security
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
9. Corporate Power is Protected
10. Labor Power is Suppressed
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
14. Fraudulent Elections

Maybe you show learn your history before snidingly remarking on someone's intelligence. But let me guess, we're all just sheeple and you guys are the only one's with your eye's truly open? That about right?

 

 

[brewsterbudgen]

23 minutes ago, GanDoonToonPet said:

 

Very low resolution understanding of the man.

 

When he was an officer in India, his best friend was an Indian officer. When they both went to the British officers' mess together, and everyone told his friend to get out, he replied 'If he goes, I go' and went to sit with his friend in the Indian officers' mess.

 

After he returned to the UK, he invited said same officer to spend christmas with him every year until he died. Does that sound like a racist to you?

 

Enoch Powell was a highly intelligent, educated and articulate man. He was well versed in history and the politics of the time, namely the wars in Israel-Palestine and India-Pakistan and the civil rights movement in America. It was these things which led to his concerns about immigration.

 

Now we are seeing the settler-colonialism of the UK (predominantly England) by Arab muslims who cluster in settlements / enclaves which, thanks to our electoral system, give them disproportionate electoral power. The power is effectively in the hands of the Imams, who instruct the men on how to vote, who in turn instruct their women and children; ironically, the patriarchy which we are supposed to despise. 🤔

 

Already we have local councillors elected on the 'Gaza ticket', who shout 'allahu akbar...free Palestine' as a war cry, a Pakistani mayor who cries 'I represent the people of Pakistan' to her constituents, people being prosecuted for burning the Koran and a law against 'Islamophobia' in the making. 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I'm_not_racist,_I_have_black_friends

[Jimjim1]

On 6/23/2025 at 3:43 AM, Chomper Higgot said:

Direct consequence of the previous Tory Government losing control of the UK’s borders.

Here we go again, yet another Labour rhetoric devotee who appears to have deserted his country instead of supporting it blaming the Tories for everything that was originally created by Tony Blair’s Labour government who along with Germany’s Angela Muerkle invited these illegals to come here, Muerkle said Germany needed another million immigrants and millions came there, Blair invited them here because he was hoping that when they eventually got the vote it would be for Labour forever enhancing the lying, cheating thugs within the said party and it’s union barons.

So perhaps you should put your rhetoric stick along with your acid pen where the sun don’t shine until at least you get your facts correct.

And before you say it, no I do not support the Tories, but I do support the truth and it was Labour that instigated this travesty wherein our own people are homeless and living on the streets whilst illegals are given access to everything the taxpayer is denied.

[liddelljohn]

The biggest invasion of Britain for 1000 years  is going on under our noses, helped by woke government , the RNLI  and woke police,,, while White British people are prosecuted for  protesting about it ...  During WW2   the beaches were mined and barbed wire and machine guns and the RN stopped the Invaders ,,  most of the invaders are Muslim single men of working and fighting age ...   over last 10 years UK population has  grown by 8m people   most are immigrants .. Its unsustainable and is leading to great social unrest ...

[Geoff914]

12 minutes ago, Jimjim1 said:

Here we go again, yet another Labour rhetoric devotee who appears to have deserted his country instead of supporting it blaming the Tories for everything that was originally created by Tony Blair’s Labour government who along with Germany’s Angela Muerkle invited these illegals to come here, Muerkle said Germany needed another million immigrants and millions came there, Blair invited them here because he was hoping that when they eventually got the vote it would be for Labour forever enhancing the lying, cheating thugs within the said party and it’s union barons.

So perhaps you should put your rhetoric stick along with your acid pen where the sun don’t shine until at least you get your facts correct.

And before you say it, no I do not support the Tories, but I do support the truth and it was Labour that instigated this travesty wherein our own people are homeless and living on the streets whilst illegals are given access to everything the taxpayer is denied.

And who was it that was so anti Immigration that they made it a manifesto commitment to get net migration to under 100,000. They banged on endlessly how they were going to get below 100,000 a year but they never got it below three quarters of a million. who was it, it wasn't the tories was it? The latest scandal is not deporting non UK prisoners when they are released which they are supposed to do.

[Geoff914]

3 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

Powell made THAT speech in 1968 so 57 years later his 'prophecy' still hasn't come true and I seriously doubt it ever will.  

  

And do you think that growing at the rate of the size of a London every decade that it wont happen in the future. Not necessarily race riots but the millions and millions without jobs and housing. So if on average net legal migration is 750,000 a year by the end of the century population will have grown from migration alone to 122 million from 66 million. Governments are incapable of managing a the population now. 

[Jimjim1]

1 hour ago, Geoff914 said:

And who was it that was so anti Immigration that they made it a manifesto commitment to get net migration to under 100,000. They banged on endlessly how they were going to get below 100,000 a year but they never got it below three quarters of a million. who was it, it wasn't the tories was it?

And so to back yourself up by moving the topic forward whilst denying the truth about the root cause  of the problem and outright  obstruction by Labour of every effort made by the Tories to solve the problem.

As for deportation after serving time for criminality, back in the 60s this was the norm and it should be again and if I had my way it would be carried out by parachute preferably faulty ones because I have had enough of seeing my own countrymen in dire straights whilst economic scroungers live in comparable luxury having made no contribution to this country, aids infected rubbish comes here and get full on treatment at £25,000 a week from the NHS and taxpayers while British cancer sufferers who have made a lifetime of contributions are told that the treatment that would save their lives is denied them because at £5,000 a month is too expensive and they are left to die, where is the justice in that.

[Donga]

3 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

Isn't it just amazing how all of the papers you quoted (don't know much about The Sydney Morning Herald though but I'm assuming it's of the same ilk) were very recently the bastion of great journalism until Trump and the far-right started with all the 'fake-news' BS. It's like something straight out of Lawrence Britt's, 'Fascism, Anyone?' written in 2003 -  

 

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights 
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
4. Supremacy of the Military
5. Rampant Sexism
6. Controlled Mass Media
7. Obsession with National Security
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
9. Corporate Power is Protected
10. Labor Power is Suppressed
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
14. Fraudulent Elections

Maybe you show learn your history before snidingly remarking on someone's intelligence. But let me guess, we're all just sheeple and you guys are the only one's with your eye's truly open? That about right?

 

 

In their day, those media were well respected. I was a keen listener, watcher of ABC and subscribed to the Sydney Morning Herald, well into my 40s. That was last century, before the Y2K hysteria, followed by Al Gore's Inconvenient Truth and the "science is settled" mantra, which is an oxymoron in itself. My BS meter started to twitch. Then we had the BLM movement, and anti-Western civilisation permeating what were once well respected media. Been downhill ever since.

You have to be living under a rock not to understand that these once objective media catered more and more to a left wing bias, market and truth become the casualty. You could say the same for Fox News in the US but on the other side. The internet has spurned hundreds of news sites, some more professional than others, but clearly MSM has lost support. They are now not nearly as respected as they once were and the younger folk hardly refer to them at these days. Sad.

I find Al-Monitor the most objective site for Middle East news, and still searching for reliable wider coverage, other than Murdoch, who still provide counter opinions, which people pay for, unlike ABC, BBC, The Guardian. Hence read across the spectrum and search when my BS meter is aroused. Objective stuff can be found, but takes a bit of effort.

What strikes me are two factors:

1. People now of the left persuasion are convinced they are more humane, caring while Conservatives are viewed as capitalist, environmentally blind and inherently evil
2. People of the left often have very strong views, but struggle to engage with the other side about them. They tend to hit back at the source, rather than the content and are fond of cancelling those with whom they disagree with. Sad.

I've only stopped voting for Labor in the last few years, such was my own surety that I was on the right side of righteousness. Now see I was ignorant of the details on so many topics back then, e.g detailed history of Palestine. An idealist, rather than a realist.

Very frustrating that many folk don't comprehend the notion of illegal immigrants. And is telling that old media, hardly mention the term, preferring "migrants" or "refugees", which was grandfather was 100 years ago. What do people think visas are for? 

[The Cyclist]

20 minutes ago, Donga said:

Very frustrating that many folk don't comprehend the notion of illegal immigrants.

 

Official UK Government website

 

Quote

This page shows figures for the last 7 days for irregular migrants attempting to cross the English Channel in small boats without permission to enter the UK.

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/migrants-detected-crossing-the-english-channel-in-small-boats/migrants-detected-crossing-the-english-channel-in-small-boats-last-7-days

 

Irregular migrants 😀😀😀

[Geoff914]

4 hours ago, Jimjim1 said:

And so to back yourself up by moving the topic forward whilst denying the truth about the root cause  of the problem and outright  obstruction by Labour of every effort made by the Tories to solve the problem.

As for deportation after serving time for criminality, back in the 60s this was the norm and it should be again and if I had my way it would be carried out by parachute preferably faulty ones because I have had enough of seeing my own countrymen in dire straights whilst economic scroungers live in comparable luxury having made no contribution to this country, aids infected rubbish comes here and get full on treatment at £25,000 a week from the NHS and taxpayers while British cancer sufferers who have made a lifetime of contributions are told that the treatment that would save their lives is denied them because at £5,000 a month is too expensive and they are left to die, where is the justice in that.

You were knocking somebody for "yet another Labour rhetoric devotee" but instead of 15 years of less than net migration of 100,00 per year we got 15 years of net migration of more than 700,000 per year. How quick the tories are to down play their complete and utter disastrous control of immigration.

[NorthernRyland]

This is the face of man that should never be allowed to be near any white country.

 

 

[NickyLouie]

31 minutes ago, NorthernRyland said:

This is the face of man that should never be allowed to be near any white country.

 

 

 

Mayor of London ?

 

 

[NanLaew]

On 6/23/2025 at 7:34 AM, Mr Meeseeks said:

There's going to be a massive backlash against this and rightly so.

 

Civil unrest is already starting. Southport, Ballymena, etc. 

 

Deportations of millions is now a moderate viewpoint.

 

Remigration is inevitable. 

 

Unrest in Southport and Balymena was primarily triggered by misinformation, lies and racist bile on social media.

 

I am not sure about what caused the protests in etc.

[ElwoodP]

Two racial baiting posts removed.

@NanLaew please don't do that again.

[brewsterbudgen]

7 hours ago, NorthernRyland said:

This is the face of man that should never be allowed to be near any white country.

 

 

 

Him too?

[The Cyclist]

1 hour ago, NanLaew said:

Balymena was primarily triggered by misinformation, lies and racist bile on social media.

 

What ?
 

Ballymena was triggered by the rape  or sexual assault of a young girl, by 2 rapists or sex pests who needed translators in Court.

 

There was no riots prior or during the investigation and arrest of the suspects. Only After they had appeared in Court.

 

And whilst tensions were running high, the trigger for the riots was the need for interpreters in Court.

 

The rioting and violence had been building up for a couple years prior to the rape or sexual assault. All it required was a spark, which was duly delivered by 2 sex pests that could not speak English.

[NorthernRyland]

1 hour ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Him too?

 

oh yeah he's gotta go too.

[Geoff914]

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=sadik+khan+questioned+over+grooming+gangs#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:2fe47004,vid:noJCNh60lfk,st:0

Look how bloody long it has taken the authorities to recognise the existence of grooming gangs. In London, the elected Mayor – Sadiq Khan, is the equivalent of the Police and Crime Commissioner and is responsible for the totality of policing in the capital, refusing to accept the existence of grooming gangs AKA rape gangs.

 

[johnnybangkok]

21 hours ago, Donga said:

In their day, those media were well respected. I was a keen listener, watcher of ABC and subscribed to the Sydney Morning Herald, well into my 40s. That was last century, before the Y2K hysteria, followed by Al Gore's Inconvenient Truth and the "science is settled" mantra, which is an oxymoron in itself. My BS meter started to twitch. Then we had the BLM movement, and anti-Western civilisation permeating what were once well respected media. Been downhill ever since.

You have to be living under a rock not to understand that these once objective media catered more and more to a left wing bias, market and truth become the casualty. You could say the same for Fox News in the US but on the other side. The internet has spurned hundreds of news sites, some more professional than others, but clearly MSM has lost support. They are now not nearly as respected as they once were and the younger folk hardly refer to them at these days. Sad.

I find Al-Monitor the most objective site for Middle East news, and still searching for reliable wider coverage, other than Murdoch, who still provide counter opinions, which people pay for, unlike ABC, BBC, The Guardian. Hence read across the spectrum and search when my BS meter is aroused. Objective stuff can be found, but takes a bit of effort.

What strikes me are two factors:

1. People now of the left persuasion are convinced they are more humane, caring while Conservatives are viewed as capitalist, environmentally blind and inherently evil
2. People of the left often have very strong views, but struggle to engage with the other side about them. They tend to hit back at the source, rather than the content and are fond of cancelling those with whom they disagree with. Sad.

I've only stopped voting for Labor in the last few years, such was my own surety that I was on the right side of righteousness. Now see I was ignorant of the details on so many topics back then, e.g detailed history of Palestine. An idealist, rather than a realist.

Very frustrating that many folk don't comprehend the notion of illegal immigrants. And is telling that old media, hardly mention the term, preferring "migrants" or "refugees", which was grandfather was 100 years ago. What do people think visas are for? 

I appreciate you taking the time to put together a reasoned argument. It's a rarity on this site so it's good to see.

 

I'm sorry that you feel so jaded about the media these days but I will also say that media bias has been around since the dawn of media so I'm not sure why you think it's getting any worse but I think you've hit the nail on the head when you mention 'Objective stuff can be found, but takes a bit of effort'. I personally still find lots of 'objective media' but I do realise it can sometimes be drowned out by the hysteria of blatantly unbiased media. The areas though I want to pick up on are when you mention the following:-

 

1. People now of the left persuasion are convinced they are more humane, caring while Conservatives are viewed as capitalist, environmentally blind and inherently evil - this is probably the case as it's objectively true although I would substitute 'conservative' with right-wing as I think 'proper' conservatism has been slowly but surely eroded by right-wing doctrine that is absolutely less humane, less caring, completely focused on capitalism, doesn't give a hoot about the environment and when all added up, is hard to argue is NOT evil. 

2. People of the left often have very strong views, but struggle to engage with the other side about them. They tend to hit back at the source, rather than the content and are fond of cancelling those with whom they disagree with. Sad. - don't agree with this at all. The 'struggle' you talk about is because the far-right (and I will stick to just them) disregard facts and figures in favour of identity politics and blind devotion. They disregard evidence, logic and reason in favour of bias, xenophobia and downright racism to the point they now wear their prejudices like some sort of badge of honour. They feel emboldened to spout their nonsense after they see a bunch of billionaires with an obvious agenda get voted into office by standardising their inherent fear of others that don't look like them with a very obvious 'look over there, not over here' slight of hand. They don't want to engage in any meaningful way and certainly don't want to be hampered by silly facts and figures which continually prove them wrong. They also have a tenuous grasp of history and seem to conveniently forget that we have seen much of what's going on by the far-right before, with disastrous consequences, conveniently forgetting that those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

Anyway. I appreciate your thoughts.  

 

      
 

[Jimjim1]

14 hours ago, Geoff914 said:

You were knocking somebody for "yet another Labour rhetoric devotee" but instead of 15 years of less than net migration of 100,00 per year we got 15 years of net migration of more than 700,000 per year. How quick the tories are to down play their complete and utter disastrous control of immigration

So who is the Tory here? It certainly is not me, I merely pointed out that Labour in the House of Commons undermined every aspect of attempts by the Tories to remove these migrants from our shores and then when elected to power they Initially embraced the exact same policy promoted by the Tories to remove them to a safe country in Africa and give them enough money to live and work there, up to now there is no denial that they Labour is not still considering the same policy, they just have not come up with the means to implement it without expressing the double standards they are so good at.

Having so effectively used the stupid element of the British public to suit its own ends they cannot so easily implement the policy that they now so wish they had not destroyed because it would have worked.

I will agree 100% that the Tory administration over the last 14 years was disastrous and completely inept and deserved to be so heartily beaten as they were but on the same hand we the British public did not deserve to be burdened by a bunch of no hope lying cheating thugs who got into power by not telling us about their real agenda because they knew nobody would have voted for excessive taxation, causing potential and real job losses seriously rising everyday cost of living prices, daily bankruptcies, attempts to take us back into the EU by the back door against the wishes of the majority public, and not to forget the fallacy of the 20 billion black hole that their own Whitehall  mandarin stated did not exist but who was very quickly silenced so that we could continue to be battered by the chancellor on a daily bases.

Pensioners being left to die because the heating allowance has been removed and the pittance laughingly called a pension is not enough to cover the said cost of living rises resulting in no heat, no food, no life.

As one sage said the brain is a wonderful organ from the moment of conception it begins to control our development it continues through birth, growing up and does a fantastic job right up until you vote Labour.

[Geoff914]

33 minutes ago, Jimjim1 said:

So who is the Tory here? It certainly is not me, I merely pointed out that Labour in the House of Commons undermined every aspect of attempts by the Tories to remove these migrants from our shores and then when elected to power they Initially embraced the exact same policy promoted by the Tories to remove them to a safe country in Africa and give them enough money to live and work there, up to now there is no denial that they Labour is not still considering the same policy, they just have not come up with the means to implement it without expressing the double standards they are so good at.

Having so effectively used the stupid element of the British public to suit its own ends they cannot so easily implement the policy that they now so wish they had not destroyed because it would have worked.

I will agree 100% that the Tory administration over the last 14 years was disastrous and completely inept and deserved to be so heartily beaten as they were but on the same hand we the British public did not deserve to be burdened by a bunch of no hope lying cheating thugs who got into power by not telling us about their real agenda because they knew nobody would have voted for excessive taxation, causing potential and real job losses seriously rising everyday cost of living prices, daily bankruptcies, attempts to take us back into the EU by the back door against the wishes of the majority public, and not to forget the fallacy of the 20 billion black hole that their own Whitehall  mandarin stated did not exist but who was very quickly silenced so that we could continue to be battered by the chancellor on a daily bases.

Pensioners being left to die because the heating allowance has been removed and the pittance laughingly called a pension is not enough to cover the said cost of living rises resulting in no heat, no food, no life.

As one sage said the brain is a wonderful organ from the moment of conception it begins to control our development it continues through birth, growing up and does a fantastic job right up until you vote Labour.

I think it is safe to assume that no UK Government has the intelligence to deal with this problem however if you took people randomly off of the street to sort it out it would be done in an instance.  Quite why we have such incompetent politicians is beyond me. So in the mean time we have to build a city the size of London every ten years and the tax burden on those fortunate enough to have a job will have to be met, I wouldn't put it past a future Government to kick economically inactive people, like pensioners, out of the country. Think of the housing that would be created and reduced pressure on the NHS. At the rate the population is increasing at least one Government is going to have to take some very unpleasant actions.

[NanLaew]

13 hours ago, The Cyclist said:

 

What ?
 

Ballymena was triggered by the rape  or sexual assault of a young girl, by 2 rapists or sex pests who needed translators in Court.

 

There was no riots prior or during the investigation and arrest of the suspects. Only After they had appeared in Court.

 

And whilst tensions were running high, the trigger for the riots was the need for interpreters in Court.

 

The rioting and violence had been building up for a couple years prior to the rape or sexual assault. All it required was a spark, which was duly delivered by 2 sex pests that could not speak English.

 

Alleged rape.

[Jimjim1]

2 hours ago, Geoff914 said:

wouldn't put it past a future Government to kick economically inactive people, like pensioners, out of the country.

Well if they ever tried that level of stupidity I think there will be an awful lot of very dead politicians, we may be old but not all are infirm or needing any input from the NHS and we learned very early in life which end of the gun the bullet exited from and where to obtain such weaponry

[Donga]

4 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

I appreciate you taking the time to put together a reasoned argument. It's a rarity on this site so it's good to see.

 

I'm sorry that you feel so jaded about the media these days but I will also say that media bias has been around since the dawn of media so I'm not sure why you think it's getting any worse but I think you've hit the nail on the head when you mention 'Objective stuff can be found, but takes a bit of effort'. I personally still find lots of 'objective media' but I do realise it can sometimes be drowned out by the hysteria of blatantly unbiased media. The areas though I want to pick up on are when you mention the following:-

 

1. People now of the left persuasion are convinced they are more humane, caring while Conservatives are viewed as capitalist, environmentally blind and inherently evil - this is probably the case as it's objectively true although I would substitute 'conservative' with right-wing as I think 'proper' conservatism has been slowly but surely eroded by right-wing doctrine that is absolutely less humane, less caring, completely focused on capitalism, doesn't give a hoot about the environment and when all added up, is hard to argue is NOT evil. 

2. People of the left often have very strong views, but struggle to engage with the other side about them. They tend to hit back at the source, rather than the content and are fond of cancelling those with whom they disagree with. Sad. - don't agree with this at all. The 'struggle' you talk about is because the far-right (and I will stick to just them) disregard facts and figures in favour of identity politics and blind devotion. They disregard evidence, logic and reason in favour of bias, xenophobia and downright racism to the point they now wear their prejudices like some sort of badge of honour. They feel emboldened to spout their nonsense after they see a bunch of billionaires with an obvious agenda get voted into office by standardising their inherent fear of others that don't look like them with a very obvious 'look over there, not over here' slight of hand. They don't want to engage in any meaningful way and certainly don't want to be hampered by silly facts and figures which continually prove them wrong. They also have a tenuous grasp of history and seem to conveniently forget that we have seen much of what's going on by the far-right before, with disastrous consequences, conveniently forgetting that those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

Anyway. I appreciate your thoughts.  

 

      
 

Firstly wasn't me than down thumbed your reply.

My overriding comeback is that most media now use the term "far right" too easily. The most glaring is example is on this very topic of immigration. I put it to you that you don't have to be "far right" to subscribe to the right of nations, indeed societies to choose who should be allowed to live in their country, let alone the welfare entitlements and years of appeals made available for illegal immigrants. Indeed a lot of media have trouble with the concept, choosing to use descriptors such as "migrants", "asylum seekers" and the like. My grandfather and family were refugees after the Russian civil war.

You say "eroded by right-wing doctrine that is absolutely less humane, less caring, completely focused on capitalism, doesn't give a hoot about the environment and when all added up, is hard to argue is NOT evil." The MSM loves this narrative even though it takes years and years to obtain environment and in some cases Indigenous approvals for projects. Projects that are required to advance society, and often essential for the low carbon transition like solar panels and EVs. Some people live in a dream world, I call them luvvies. Feel good, but either naive or hypocritical.

As for "completely focused on capitalism" not sure what your alternative is. Why is capitalism essentially bad? I'd be delighted if you can articulate how your economic model works.

As far as being evil is concerned, I'd be looking at societies where basic freedoms are denied and corruption is rampant. I'd include a popular movement that uses human shields as their main strategy in their struggle for what they call liberation (part of the jihad movement, which is disgusting) as inherently evil, yet so many people are able to condone this.

I think it was evil that people during Covid were unable to return home in some instances or visit dying relatives in hospital, and yet it was accepted. People who protested were termed "far right" in a lot of MSM.

I could go on but trust you get my drift. We won't change each other's views but I appreciate your approach. Is refreshing for a Leftie these days, which I used to be until they cared more about being "progressive" and less concerned about the lower echelons. Lastly, am very annoyed with the widespread disdain for Western civilisation. Is so inane and devoid of historical perspective, e.g. after thousands of years of slavery, which civilisation abolished it?