20 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

72% of those detained in Alligator Alcatraz have no criminal history and no charges. I do agree that those who are convicted of criminal charges should be detained. 

That number depends on your point of view.   If you consider breaking into/entering a country illegally a non-criminal offense, then you are correct but if you consider illegal entry a criminal offense then you are wrong.  I would venture to say that most of those (72%) are non-violent illegals.  Regardless these people have had options to do the right thing at the expense/generosity of the American government and if they chose not to go down that path so it's on them.  It's the old proverb - you can lead a horse to water but can't make him drink.

I expect Trump supporters believe that once the huge organization that is ICE have rounded up all the immigrants they’ll quietly decommission their interment camps, wrap up all the profitable sub contracts and quietly disband.

7 hours ago, Paul Henry said:

Trump is keen to see his legacy as "The Great President". He will go down in history as the worst president in history.His criminal and inhumane edicts will let his name live in infamy. A disgrace to his country. 

Cobblers, every word of it.

7 hours ago, Hamus Yaigh said:

And in your world detention in cruel degrading conditions without due process is acceptable.

They are not being detained in "cruel, degrading conditions" neither is due process being denied to those illegal aliens. 

6 hours ago, Jingthing said:

7 hours ago, expat_4_life said:

Sounds like an "immigrant" we can do without, no sympathy for a criminal.

Trump is a criminal.

So?

14 minutes ago, kimothai said:

That number depends on your point of view.   If you consider breaking into/entering a country illegally a non-criminal offense, then you are correct but if you consider illegal entry a criminal offense then you are wrong.  I would venture to say that most of those (72%) are non-violent illegals.  Regardless these people have had options to do the right thing at the expense/generosity of the American government and if they chose not to go down that path so it's on them.  It's the old proverb - you can lead a horse to water but can't make him drink.

The right thing to do is for the government to provide fundamental protection for the people in their custody like access to their attorneys or the legal rights to petition the court. These fundamental rights are not provided; even the very basis rights like communicating with their counsel. Improving the condition of the center like over crowding would also be the right thing to do. 

40 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I expect Trump supporters believe that once the huge organization that is ICE have rounded up all the immigrants they’ll quietly decommission their interment camps, wrap up all the profitable sub contracts and quietly disband.

ICE now has a bigger budget than most military around the world. It is basically a militarized police force which scoffs at the constitution and local laws. If I were a betting man, I would put money on the next presidential election being put on hold for some conjured-up reason with ICE being the enforcers.

The right thing to do, would be to immediately take them to the border for deportation. If not possible, put them in shackles, and have work the chain gang doing what ever needs doing.  Picking up litter, cleaning sewer, drainage canals.   Work the fields, farming crops for themselves to eat.  No work, no eat, no shelter.  Walk 'em all to California, clean up the interstate on the way, then clean up the poop on the streets and sidewalks of LA, SFO and all the sh!t hole sanctuary cities.

 

AND LIVE STREAM IT ALL.   Please come the USA illegally, as we need the extra help.

6 minutes ago, HappyExpat57 said:

ICE now has a bigger budget than most military around the world. It is basically a militarized police force which scoffs at the constitution and local laws. If I were a betting man, I would put money on the next presidential election being put on hold for some conjured-up reason with ICE being the enforcers.

That's what happens when you fight millions of illegals.   What would you need to invade a country of millions of people, about the same.  Thanks Joe, for letting them in.   Tax payers cleaning up after you again.

4 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

That's what happens when you fight millions of illegals.   What would you need to invade a country of millions of people, about the same.  Thanks Joe, for letting them in.   Tax payers cleaning up after you again.

You do know that undocumented immigrants pay federal, state and local taxes. Almost 97B in 2022.  Nothing like ignoring simple facts for the opportunity to cast blame.

1 minute ago, Eric Loh said:

You do know that undocumented immigrants pay federal, state and local taxes. Almost 97B in 2022.  Nothing like ignoring simple facts for the opportunity to cast blame.

Do you think I care what criminals do after they committed their crimes, without consequences.  They shouldn't be in the US.

12 hours ago, Jingthing said:

With maga, cruelty is the point.

Alligator Alcatraz is highly visible American fascism theater.

 

Performative cruelty is the hallmark of every tyranny. Pour encourage les autres as they say.

 

Seems to be working. Not many have the brains or spine to deal with this kind of stuff. Easier to mob the vulnerable instead. As throughout history. 

2 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Do you think I care what criminals do after they committed their crimes, without consequences.  They shouldn't be in the US.

I would have guess that you wouldn't care as long as it is your dear leader policy even though the majority of Americans believed that ICE has gone to far and too aggressive in its pursuit of arresting migrants.

2 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

I would have guess that you wouldn't care as long as it is your dear leader policy even though the majority of Americans believed that ICE has gone to far and too aggressive in its pursuit of arresting migrants.

They are enforcing laws before Trump was president, and most Americans agree with ICE and the deportation of criminals.

 

Have a nice day ... BYE

Another triggering headlined thread by AN when the actual story is about visa overstay. Try getting caught here on a ten year overstay and see where you end up. Alligator Alcatraz would seem like the Ritz.

1 hour ago, Eric Loh said:

You do know that undocumented immigrants pay federal, state and local taxes. Almost 97B in 2022.  Nothing like ignoring simple facts for the opportunity to cast blame.

An after thought ... yea, only because they took jobs from US citizens, along with driving down the wages in what ever section they worked in.  

 

All they do is create less jobs available & lower salaries for US citizens.   Deport 'em all 😎

Now BYE BYE

2 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

The right thing to do is for the government to provide fundamental protection for the people in their custody like access to their attorneys or the legal rights to petition the court. These fundamental rights are not provided; even the very basis rights like communicating with their counsel. Improving the condition of the center like over crowding would also be the right thing to do. 

The Illegals can request a lawyer, but it is NOT the responsibility of the government to provide one (even if they can't afford one).  That's the law.  I disagree with making the conditions "country club" like.  Make the conditions harsh and word will get out and more people will want to self-deport.  Let's not forget who broke the law in the first place.  These criminals had every opportunity to avoid detention.  They chose this, probably thinking the sanctuary cities or lefty organizations would protect them.  They were wrong. 

12 hours ago, Zimar said:

Appears as if the previous US administrations have ignored the Immigration laws to enhance cheap labor and influence voting through procreation of children on US soil.

 

Now it appears there is an Administration that intends to enforce the Immigration laws.

 

With all the riots and protesting, the efforts may be more productive in re-writing the Immigration laws.  I've read the US Constitution and congressional  laws were intended, at the will of the people, to change with future needs through the Amendment's.

Nah, There fine just the way they are! Like anything else the federal  Immigration laws  were abused & not enforced! The riots and protests are perpetuated by  Cultural Marxist anti American groups mostly that support the oppressed and no one is a illegal border crosser.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1325

 

 

 

18 hours ago, Jingthing said:

With maga, cruelty is the point.

Alligator Alcatraz is highly visible American fascism theater.

It's funny you say this. There is documented proof that Obama and Biden, both, had facilities that were way worse than what they have at the detention center that PDJT has in Alligator Alcatraz. I guess, they should have been offered the Ritz or asked to report while being free on their own honesty. If they were that honest, I guess they wouldn't have overstayed their visas by 15 and 7 years. They should consider themselves fortunate that they weren't in a country that would have thrown them into prison for overstaying their visa. I understand your compassion, but don't let your <removed> get the best of you!

Fascism is a mass political movement that emphasizes extreme nationalism, militarism, and the supremacy of the nation over the individual. Except, PDJT has done everything to put America and the citizens he represents first! Not illegal immigrants or those that abuse a privilege, but lawful citizens and those that follow the law.

14 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Being in US without authorization is not a criminal act but a civil infraction. Those detained were a mixed bag of people who had lawful status, overstayed their visa, people with temporary protected status and other forms of humantarian relief that Trump's administration has rescinded. There was a pastor and mother of new born who spend time there. The point is that there were much abuse in the arrests  and ddetention without due process. It is a disgrace. 

Title 8 of the U.S. Code identifies federal criminal offenses pertaining to immigration and nationality, including the following two entry-related offenses: “Illegal Entry”/8 U.S.C. § 1325 makes it a crime to unlawfully enter the United States.

Migrants who are caught crossing the border unlawfully will face arrest, likely detention, and removal from the United States by the Department of Homeland Security.

 

in other words..  get out ! ...   and stay out !

21 hours ago, Hamus Yaigh said:

And in your world detention in cruel degrading conditions without due process is acceptable.

 

Do you have proof the criminals are deported without due process?

 

Because they all get due process.

5 minutes ago, KhaoHom said:

 

Do you have proof the criminals are deported without due process?

 

Because they all get due process.

They have been rounding them up, placing them in holding cells then deporting them to countries like El Salvador and others.  Not all are being given due process and thus mistakes are being made.

 

Recent policies and practices are raising concerns that deportations are occurring without proper due process for some non-citizens in the U.S. Specifically, the use of "expedited removal" and the Alien Enemies Act allows for faster deportations without full court hearings. This is leading to situations where individuals are being deported without the chance to fully present their case or challenge the deportation order. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]  

Here's a breakdown of the issues: 

 

• Expedited Removal: This process allows immigration officers to quickly deport individuals who cannot prove they've been in the U.S. for more than two years, without a formal hearing. [1, 1, 3, 3]  

• Limited Due Process: Some policies aim to bypass the usual immigration court process, including limiting the right to appeal to a federal judge. [4, 4, 5, 5]  

• Potential for Error: Critics argue that expedited removal and other streamlined processes can lead to errors, with individuals being deported based on insufficient evidence or misinterpretations of their situation. [6, 6, 7, 7, 8, 9]  

• Lack of Legal Representation: While the Constitution guarantees due process for all persons, including non-citizens, access to legal representation is not guaranteed in immigration proceedings, making it harder for individuals to navigate the system and present their case effectively. [2, 2]  

• Deportations to Unfamiliar Countries: Some deportations have occurred to countries where individuals have no prior ties, without a chance to challenge the deportation. [10, 10]  

• Examples of Problems: Cases have emerged where individuals with tattoos or social media posts were deported based on perceived gang affiliations, even when those tattoos were related to family or hobbies, and social media posts were unrelated to the accusations. [7, 7, 11, 11]  

 

In essence, while the Constitution guarantees due process to all individuals in the U.S., recent policies and practices are creating avenues for expedited deportations that may be circumventing the full legal protections that non-citizens are entitled to. [2, 12]  

13 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

You do know that undocumented immigrants pay federal, state and local taxes. Almost 97B in 2022.  Nothing like ignoring simple facts for the opportunity to cast blame.

 

You do know thats a fantasy number, right ?  They just made it up. 
Don't believe me, pull up the rest of the metrics and the numbers don't add up so someone is lying. Fairly easy to flesh out if you were really interested.

You do know that most of the criminal invaders work for cash , right ?

You do know that they are employed by labor vendors in an effort to remove responsibility away from themselves, the actual employer, right ? 
You do know that 80% of the money they make here is sent home, right ?

 

You do know they drain resources that were meant for Americans ?

Theres northing good about these people.

I'd much prefer our government go after the employers.  They are as criminal as the invaders.

Where was all the outrage when Obama was being "Deporter in Chief"? 

 

In fact, someone pointed out recently that Trump is behind Obama in deportations this many days into his term.  Because Obama didn't have to contend with activist judges and lefties with the syndrome.

 

14 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

You do know that undocumented immigrants pay federal, state and local taxes. Almost 97B in 2022.  Nothing like ignoring simple facts for the opportunity to cast blame.

  

Is that why Eric Adams of NYC demanded $12 billion in federal funding to care for and feed the 100,000 (+/-) illegals that his city hosted?  That was for 3 years, and calculated to $36,000 a year per head.  We can't afford that kind of "taxpayer".

 

 

21 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Trump is a criminal.

What is the penalty for illegal immigration in Italy?

The Constitutional Court held that the dramatic increase in the ordinary penalty envisaged for the basic offence of facilitation of illegal immigration (imprisonment from 1 to 5 years) 

 

 

Poor old 'liverpool lou"must be blind and cannot read braile.If he followed the news and did just a little research he would see the real facts of Trumps continued faillings. The ICE detention centres have been condemed by independent humanitarian organisations and Trumps lies documented now to be inexcess of 40,000.So bad he cannot differentiate between reality,truth and the lies he makes up and then starts to believe.Lets hope the GOP has the Balls to kick him out and end his wrecking of all the real things the USA stood for.

On 7/22/2025 at 4:04 PM, webfact said:

Donald Trump touring Alligator Alcatraz on July 1, 2025 | Picture courtesy of The White House via Wikipedia

 

Two Italian nationals, Fernando Eduardo Artese, 63, and Gaetano Cateno Mirabella Costa, 45, are being held in the notorious ICE detention centre dubbed "Alligator Alcatraz" in Florida for immigration violations. Italy’s foreign ministry has acknowledged their detention but remains tight-lipped on specifics, citing privacy. The Italian government has yet to publicly address the situation or the conditions in the controversial facility.

 

Italian opposition figure Laura Boldrini has called on Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni to intervene. The US Department of Homeland Security (DHS) confirmed the detentions, labelling both men as "criminal illegal aliens." Boldrini has criticised the current conditions, calling them unacceptable and seeking action from the Italian government to assist in their release.

 

Artese's daughter, Carla, explained that her father, who has dual Italian-Argentinian citizenship, had been living legally in the US but was caught over an outstanding warrant for a driving violation. He was detained during a family road trip intended to document their journey back to Argentina on YouTube.

 

According to the DHS, Artese has overstayed his visa since 2015. His daughter Carla has started a fundraising campaign to secure an attorney, expressing anguish over the inhumane conditions and lack of legal access her father faces.

 

Artese described the detention centre as a “concentration camp” in a previous interview.

 

Gaetano Mirabella Costa, also detained, spoke to Italy’s state broadcaster RAI, describing cramped and degrading conditions. Costa, with a criminal record including domestic violence and drug possession, overstayed his B2 visa by nearly seven years, as per DHS. His mother has criticised the harsh treatment he’s received, comparing it to being treated like a "dog."

 

The Italian Consulate in Miami remains in contact, though they haven’t disclosed further details. This international incident underscores ongoing debates over immigration enforcement and human rights within detention facilities.

 

  Adapted by ASEAN Now from CNN 2025-07-23

 

 

 

They still think European Union country leaders have any influence over President Trump. Especially the lil' Italian hottie who holds "0" power outside Italy.

We could send them to an Italian Prison if they think it's better conditions. Maybe "Up To" Italian Dog standards perhaps. 

On 7/23/2025 at 7:02 PM, kimothai said:

The Illegals can request a lawyer, but it is NOT the responsibility of the government to provide one (even if they can't afford one).  That's the law.  I disagree with making the conditions "country club" like.  Make the conditions harsh and word will get out and more people will want to self-deport.  Let's not forget who broke the law in the first place.  These criminals had every opportunity to avoid detention.  They chose this, probably thinking the sanctuary cities or lefty organizations would protect them.  They were wrong. 

There is still that pesky constitution to deal with.

On 7/23/2025 at 4:55 AM, TedG said:

On 7/23/2025 at 4:53 AM, Jingthing said:

With maga, cruelty is the point.

Alligator Alcatraz is highly visible American fascism theater.

In your world, enforcing the law is seen as cruel.

 

And, perversely, putting women and children in danger is seen as a good thing!  🤡🌍