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Keir Starmer told to end pensioner poverty as 2.8 million struggle on low incomes

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10 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

Ridiculous. Gibberish

So you agree with 700million to Ukraine and millions per week to house migrants when pensions are cut.... wow, what a guy you are, kicking your own kind

 

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  • He can't afford it, he is spending 8 million a day on illegal invaders, have to look after those with no right to be in the country first!

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    A Dutch single person receives a State pension that is 40% more than a UK single persons State pension.....we are being ripped off.

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1 minute ago, gearbox said:

Sounds like communism. The fair way should be the pension to depend on all the taxes paid by the individual according to their tax return. 

All this quasi communism redistribution will end where the Eastern bloc ended. I've seen today on the Australian Financial Review that more than 50% of voters are now receiving government money as their main income. 

 

https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/politics/debtfunded-largesse-majority-of-voters-depend-on-government-income-new-research-finds-as-public-spending-hits-postwar-high/news-story/a071d267d2a7468e74228189e1c8b9d8

 

"Drawing on influential economist Frederic Bastiat’s warning that “the state is that great fiction by which everyone tries to live at the expense of everyone else”, Mr Carling argues Australia has crossed a tipping point.

“Without a determined reset of expectations, Australia risks sliding into a European-style welfare state — slower growth, higher taxes and a culture where ‘voting for a living’ replaces ‘working for a living’," he said."

 

Having lived and worked on mainland Europe for 25 years, I would give my right arm to be suffering their welfare system.....especially Germany's.

10 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

You're ill informed. It's perfectly done in Denmark. Check it out by yourself 

 

They've implemented a target of zero net migration.  They acknowledged that their previous welcoming policy was a mistake.

 

Denmark still has over a year to go until its next parliamentary elections, but Frederiksen's uncompromising remains widely popular, in particular her so-called "zero vision" stance: a goal to reduce the number of asylum applicants in the country to zero.

 

At the current rate, Frederiksen and the Social Democrats might well be on their way to succeeding with that plan.

 

Denmark: Unprecedented measures to signal to migrants they are not welcome - InfoMigrants

 

https://www.infomigrants.net/

2 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

So you agree with 700million to Ukraine and millions per week to house migrants when pensions are cut.... wow, what a guy you are, kicking your own kind

 

That's 2 pairs of shoes. The money for Ukraine is not cut off from the budget for social welfare.

You have to inform yourself instead of telling wild lies 

2 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

Having lived and worked on mainland Europe for 25 years, I would give my right arm to be suffering their welfare system.....especially Germany's.

I think Germany's welfare system is excellent, what I can read?

3 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

That's 2 pairs of shoes. The money for Ukraine is not cut off from the budget for social welfare.

You have to inform yourself instead of telling wild lies 

It's still giving public money to other countries when UK pensioners  are left in the cold...literally

Just now, newbee2022 said:

I think Germany's welfare system is excellent, what I can read?

 

The German's, complain as they will, look after themselves (or are look after).......although to be fair I was in quite an affluent area...but football and sports facilities, swimming pools and spas, medical care .......second to none....and pensions....amazing

1 minute ago, frank83628 said:

It's still giving public money to other countries when UK pensioners  are left in the cold...literally

The money to Ukraine is separately from pensioners budget. Don't mix it up.

1 minute ago, Will B Good said:

 

The German's, complain as they will, look after themselves (or are look after).......although to be fair I was in quite an affluent area...but football and sports facilities, swimming pools and spas, medical care .......second to none....and pensions....amazing

So you get your pension from the German govt? Or living still there?

If I would have to decide where to work I would go to Austria. (Concerning pensions) They get 50% of their last salary.

4 hours ago, proton said:

He can't afford it, he is spending 8 million a day on illegal invaders, have to look after those with no right to be in the country first!

 

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1 minute ago, newbee2022 said:

The money to Ukraine is separately from pensioners budget. Don't mix it up.

The budget could be increased in accordance to current living costs, money to Ukraine is unnecessarily being spent.

if the UK were not propping up zelenskey. Are you English.?  If you are you happy your money is being wasted unnecessarily.?

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9 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

Having lived and worked on mainland Europe for 25 years, I would give my right arm to be suffering their welfare system.....especially Germany's.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.
Margaret Thatcher
 
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3 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

So you get your pension from the German govt? Or living still there?

If I would have to decide where to work I would go to Austria. (Concerning pensions) They get 50% of their last salary.

 

Sadly, neither........if my circumstances were different I would go back to Germany in a flash....I loved every minute of my time there.

5 hours ago, Will B Good said:

A Dutch single person receives a State pension that is 40% more than a UK single persons State pension.....we are being ripped off.

How much did they contribute in tax and NI equivalents as compared to UK pensioners? In the UK you can pitch up without ever having contributed a bean and still get it made up to a full pension equivalent in pension credits. That's a rip off. 

 

The UK system isn't generous but being ripped off is way wide of the mark. I'm 54 and was always aware that private pension provision was important and that the state pension was a supplement to that. European systems place much less emphasis on private pensions than the UK does. 

 

Where I would accept is a rip off is not getting increases uprated if you don't live in the UK anymore. 

5 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

The budget could be increased in accordance to current living costs, money to Ukraine is unnecessarily being spent.

if the UK were not propping up zelenskey. Are you English.?  If you are you happy your money is being wasted unnecessarily.?

No, I'm from Limerick.

Again. The money for Ukraine is never going into the budget for the pensioners. Never.

One of the reasons: an once off payment wouldn't change anything. The pensioner's problem has to be changed from the bottom, the roots.

5 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

Sadly, neither........if my circumstances were different I would go back to Germany in a flash....I loved every minute of my time there.

I agree

4 hours ago, The Cyclist said:

It was a Ponzi scheme from its date of inception.

Indeed.

4 hours ago, baansgr said:

So they still receive 80% 👍 

Also they are only taxed on the portion that falls in the taxable range.

9 minutes ago, gearbox said:
The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.
Margaret Thatcher

A woman who financed her failed economic policies by selling off the national assets (AKA Other People’s Money).


 

4 minutes ago, MarkyM3 said:

How much did they contribute in tax and NI as compared to UK pensioners?

I worked in Germany before the wall came down tax and social deductions came to approx 45% of your salary and they were talking about bring in a reunification tax which would have raise the tax and social deductions higher

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28 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

The budget could be increased in accordance to current living costs, money to Ukraine is unnecessarily being spent.

if the UK were not propping up zelenskey. Are you English.?  If you are you happy your money is being wasted unnecessarily.?

UK pensioners get the triple lock since 2011 so are fully protected from inflation. The ordinary working Joe which finances the current generation of pensioners does not get that. There is presently a debate as to whether that triple lock is sustainable given present demographics. Also, the UK is hundreds of billions in debt, expecting more spends on pensions is hardly realistic.....

 

Your comments about "propping up" Zelensky are political, not everyone agrees to capitulating to Russian aggression, personally I'm glad we didn't. I think cutting back on foreign aid budgets and the wasted spends on immigration policy is a better target personally...

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

So you are in receipt of SERPS or otherwise enhanced state pension.

 

The State Pension is below the zero tax allowance.

This is an except from last years increase in benefits notification letter , which also exceeded the annual tax threshold £12,570

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6 hours ago, Will B Good said:

A Dutch single person receives a State pension that is 40% more than a UK single persons State pension.....we are being ripped off.

HaHa, what a joke. Did you realize that almost 50% (49.50) of income over €76,817 is taxed in the Netherlands. What insane person would want that? Not me and I am Dutch. The Dutch are being ripped off by these taxes in the hopes of living long enough to get a pension. 

10 minutes ago, dutch boy said:

HaHa, what a joke. Did you realize that almost 50% (49.50) of income over €76,817 is taxed in the Netherlands. What insane person would want that? Not me and I am Dutch. The Dutch are being ripped off by these taxes in the hopes of living long enough to get a pension. 

 

Great if you make it then.....555

2 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

Where you read that?

Supply a proof. But I reckon you can't.

https://www.fosterglobal.com/blog/for-immigrants-america-is-still-more-welcoming-than-europe/

 

 

https://manhattan.institute/article/comparing-immigrant-assimilation-in-north-america-and-europe

  • On the whole, immigrants in the United States are more assimilated than those in most European countries, except Portugal, where a large proportion of immigrants originated in former Portuguese-speaking colonies.
2 minutes ago, TedG said:

https://www.fosterglobal.com/blog/for-immigrants-america-is-still-more-welcoming-than-europe/

 

 

https://manhattan.institute/article/comparing-immigrant-assimilation-in-north-america-and-europe

  • On the whole, immigrants in the United States are more assimilated than those in most European countries, except Portugal, where a large proportion of immigrants originated in former Portuguese-speaking colonies.

Not a reliable source. Just yellow press or similar 😂😂😂. Do you have a govt source...."on the whole" 🤣🤣🤣

2 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

Where you read that?

Supply a proof. But I reckon you can't.

Her message is that this is unsustainable. Welfare states have to be funded by imposing taxes on workers and companies, so that they make production more expensive in countries with generous welfare states. But this financing burden makes those workers more expensive to hire than their counterparts in emerging markets, while the tax on companies can induce them to relocate to jurisdictions with more favourable tax regimes.

 

https://www.socialeurope.eu/welfare-state-europe-still-worth

1 minute ago, newbee2022 said:

Not a reliable source. Just yellow press or similar 😂😂😂. Do you have a govt source...."on the whole" 🤣🤣🤣

Why is it not reliable?  Because you don't like the message? 

1 hour ago, MarkyM3 said:

UK pensioners get the triple lock since 2011 so are fully protected from inflation. The ordinary working Joe which finances the current generation of pensioners does not get that. There is presently a debate as to whether that triple lock is sustainable given present demographics. Also, the UK is hundreds of billions in debt, expecting more spends on pensions is hardly realistic.....

 

Your comments about "propping up" Zelensky are political, not everyone agrees to capitulating to Russian aggression, personally I'm glad we didn't. I think cutting back on foreign aid budgets and the wasted spends on immigration policy is a better target personally...

Nice refreshing answer, different to the normal.

The UK is billions in debt yes, but this down to <deleted>ty politicians, not due to the citizens, who unfortunately foot the bill, or cuts in this case.

I disagree with money to Ukraine as there were peace talks on the table in apr 22, bojo stopped them., the whole thing could have been resolved. 

But that's off topic .

22 minutes ago, TedG said:

Why is it not reliable?  Because you don't like the message? 

I have nothing to do with facts. I can't fake or change them, even I like them or not. 

Talk to you later if possible.

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