Just now, kiwikeith said:

If you don't know your naive 

He who pays the piper calls the tune 

Politicians are paid puppets, surely you know that 

 

   Whom are you referring to ?

Who pays the politicians ?

 

2 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Whom are you referring to ?

Who pays the politicians ?

 

Puppets you mean 

On 7/26/2025 at 9:32 AM, MisterTee said:

and get on the right side of history.

Which is what?

13 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

And of course antisemitism is the only possible reason why 220MPs could possibly support the formal recognition of Palestine.

 

Who said that? 

 

Of course, it is interesting that the left have focused so passionately on criticising the Jews, sorry I mean the Zionists defending themselves following the Oct 7 slaughter and rape of the kids by Corbyn's friends at Hamas.

 

They never seem to pay much attention to other such atrocities happening around the world. 

 

I can't imagine why... hmmmm... a real mystery...

All Western countries should join the majority of other countries worldwide that have already recognized Palestine. The problem, of course, is that Israel itself has no intention of ever sharing that land they occupy with the Palestinians, nor ever recognizing Palestine as a country. That's clear by the the ethnic cleansing and starvation of the Palestinians in Gaza. Israel is basically bombing and bulldozing the place out of existance. And for years whacko Jews from the US, South Africa and some other countries have been moving to the region and setting up illegal 'settlements' on Israeli occupied land in the West Bank. That stealth takeover has been sanctioned by every Israeli government for many years now. The only way a two-state-solution would ever happen is if Israel would agree to a land swap - with both countries sharing a border running from the river to the sea. But unless someone can force Israel to do that (a crippling boycott, sanctions, etc.), it will never happen.

On 7/26/2025 at 4:16 AM, webfact said:

 

Over a third of UK MPs are urging Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer to officially recognise a Palestinian state. In a bid to send a "powerful" message and advance the two-state solution, 220 MPs from nine political factions have signed the letter—more than half of them Labour representatives. This movement puts pressure on Starmer following France's recent commitment to recognise Palestinian statehood within months.

 

Sir Keir’s recent interactions with French President Emmanuel Macron and Germany's Friedrich Merz reflect cautious diplomacy. Starmer's statement underlined the fact that recognition must be part of a broader strategy towards a two-state solution. His focus, alongside key international allies, is on establishing enduring peace through practical solutions.

 

Starmer has emphasised the urgency of a ceasefire, which aims to deliver humanitarian support to Palestinians. He stated that recognition might feature in the peace roadmap but insists it must be within a larger framework ensuring long-term stability for both Palestinians and Israelis. On Friday, he pledged to facilitate urgently needed aid and evacuation for children requiring medical help.

 

A joint statement from the UK, France, and Germany did not directly mention statehood but expressed readiness to support a ceasefire and political process. Criticism of the Israeli government was also voiced, citing aid restrictions and the humanitarian plight in Gaza as untenable. The statement reiterated that Hamas must be disarmed and excluded from Gaza’s future.

 

This cross-party letter follows a coalition of 27 countries condemning the dire situation and the restricted aid inflicted on Palestinians. Israel, which controls supply entries to Gaza, refutes allegations of a siege and attributes civilian suffering to Hamas. The Israeli foreign ministry dismissed the coalition’s critique as disconnected and misleading regarding Hamas.

 

Labour MP Sarah Champion, spearheading the letter, argues that recognising Palestine will align with a longstanding cross-party consensus in Parliament. Champion and her colleagues believe British recognition would be a powerful gesture given the UK’s historical ties to the region.

 

The letter includes signatures from various party leaders and MPs, urging the recognition of statehood as a critical step toward peace. Parliament has previously seen motions supporting this stance, notably a 2014 non-binding motion passed with substantial backing, reported BBC.

 

Sceptics warn that without resolving the scope and leadership of a Palestinian state, recognition could remain symbolic. While 139 nations officially acknowledge Palestinian statehood, many Western countries await broader peace agreements before doing so. Recent examples include Spain, Ireland, and Norway, which recognised Palestine, hoping to leverage diplomatic pressure to achieve a ceasefire in Gaza.

 

The United Nations accords limited privileges to Palestinian representatives, and numerous international bodies, such as the Arab League, recognise the territory. Nonetheless, certain quarters argue that a recognition without resolving core issues may not tangibly alter the ground situation.

 

  Adapted by ASEAN Now from BBC 2025-07-26

 

 

 

The United Kingdom government must bear a large share of responsibility for the present state of affairs.  This results from the declaration by Zionist settlers of the racially-based state of Israel.
The initial impetus came from the Balfour Declaration.  Understandable at a time when the Triple Entente was facing defeat, since it helped to mobilise U.S. opinion and involvement.  But it had consequences that were not clearly foreseen.

 

Anecdotal detail: the late Queen Elizabeth, although by no means anti-Jewish, is said to have regarded Israelis as being either "terrorists or sons of terrorists".  https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/queen-elizabeth-refused-allow-israeli-officials-buckingham-palace-says-former-president 

 

For general background info. this may be of interest: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniited_Nations_Partition_Plan_for_Palestine 

17 minutes ago, ericbj said:

The United Kingdom government must bear a large share of responsibility for the present state of affairs.  This results from the declaration by Zionist settlers of the racially-based state of Israel.

 

   Jews were being sent back to where they came from , Judea and Samaria 

3 hours ago, JonnyF said:

 

Who said that? 

 

Of course, it is interesting that the left have focused so passionately on criticising the Jews, sorry I mean the Zionists defending themselves following the Oct 7 slaughter and rape of the kids by Corbyn's friends at Hamas.

 

They never seem to pay much attention to other such atrocities happening around the world. 

 

I can't imagine why... hmmmm... a real mystery...

Nothing to do with left or right, it’s common humanity. Shame on you.

What other atrocities are happening that your country is funding?

26 minutes ago, ericbj said:

Anecdotal detail: the late Queen Elizabeth, although by no means anti-Jewish, is said to have regarded Israelis as being either "terrorists or sons of terrorists"

They were, look at the Irgun, King David hotel etc.

They still are, Israel is a terrorist nation.

12 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Jews were being sent back to where they came from , Judea and Samaria 

After WW2, most Europeans wouldn’t let the Jews in, they had nowhere to go why was that? Also Canada said , ‘none is too many’. Even Australia and NZ, who accepted many immigrants would take them. Australia took only about 6,000 during and pre WW2

Many tried going to Palestine but were stopped by the British, who blocked them.

3 minutes ago, Chris.C said:

After WW2, most Europeans wouldn’t let the Jews in, they had nowhere to go why was that? Also Canada said , ‘none is too many’. Even Australia and NZ, who accepted many immigrants would take them. Australia took only about 6,000 during and pre WW2

Many tried going to Palestine but were stopped by the British, who blocked them.

 

   Where do you think that Jews should live ?

Europe or Israel ?

In the 1940s–50s, Menachem Begin was seen as a terrorist by the British, and unwelcome in the UK. Oh how times have changed, although another PM, would be arrested in most developed countries apart from the US.

Just now, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Where do you think that Jews should live ?

Europe or Israel ?

Why do you never answer my questions?

 

1 minute ago, Chris.C said:

Why do you never answer my questions?

 

 

  Because my personal life is none of your business .

So,  Where do you think that Jews should live ?

Europe or Israel ?

27 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Jews were being sent back to where they came from , Judea and Samaria 

 

Am curious to know where you came from two millennia ago.

5 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  Because my personal life is none of your business .

So,  Where do you think that Jews should live ?

Europe or Israel ?

Wheel my personal opinions are none of your business. Dialogue works two ways.

There are many questions you didn’t answer due to your fundamentalist stance. 

Just now, Chris.C said:

Wheel my personal opinions are none of your business. Dialogue works two ways.

There are many questions you didn’t answer due to your fundamentalist stance. 

 

   Do you think that Jews should be exterminated  ?

4 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Of course, it is interesting that the left have focused so passionately on criticising the Jews, sorry I mean the Zionists defending themselves following the Oct 7 slaughter and rape of the kids by Corbyn's friends at Hamas.

 This Jewish professor has been the expert on Gaza for decades.

i suggest you read this

https://blackagendareport.com/norman-finkelstein-truth-and-justice-are-ultimate-test-not-international-ngos-0

 

 

LONDON (Reuters) -British Prime Minister Keir Starmer will recall his cabinet from their summer break to discuss the situation in Gaza, the Financial Times reported on Sunday, amid growing pressure on the Labour government to recognise a Palestinian state.

 

The paper said the move to recall his cabinet of ministers next week was set out on Sunday by Downing Street. The UK parliament and cabinet are currently in a summer recess until September 1.

 

The recall comes after Starmer said on Friday the British government would recognise a Palestinian state only as part of a negotiated peace deal, disappointing many in his Labour Party who want him to follow France in taking swifter action.

 

UK's Starmer to recall cabinet from summer break to discuss Gaza, FT reports

15 hours ago, Chris.C said:

Nothing to do with left or right, it’s common humanity.

 

October 7 was humane? What happened to the hostages was humane? 

 

15 hours ago, Chris.C said:

 

 

Shame on you.

 

Says the guy siding with Hamas. Is that you Jeremy? 😃

 

15 hours ago, Chris.C said:

What other atrocities are happening that your country is funding?

 

The mass uncontrolled immigration to Britain would be the one that springs to mind. 

 

I'm not convinced the foreign aid to the likes of Africa and Pakistan is being put towards benevolent causes either. Who knows what that money is being used for?  But that's another conversation. 

The phrase “walking a diplomatic tightrope” is overused by the media, but it is an accurate description of Sir Keir Starmer’s task when he meets Donald Trump on Monday for talks at the US president’s Turnberry golf course in Scotland.

 

According to Downing Street sources, the prime minister will discuss what more can be done to secure a ceasefire between Israel and Hamas, to “bring an end to the unspeakable suffering and starvation in Gaza”, and to hasten the release of the remaining Israeli hostages.

 

Sir Keir is under growing pressure from Labour backbenchers, and several members of his cabinet, to go further by joining France’s Emmanuel Macron in formally recognising Palestinian statehood. But if the prime minister did so, it would weaken his hand with Mr Trump, the only foreign leader with meaningful influence over Benjamin Netanyahu, the Israeli prime minister.

 

Starmer must take a strong line with Trump to relieve the suffering in Gaza

This will be the end of Starmer. Thank God.

17 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

October 7 was humane? What happened to the hostages was humane? 

No, neither was Operation Shield and Arrow, May 2023 and all previous cases called ‘mowing the lawn’ by Israelis.

Read some history.

Why do you say I support Hamas? Are you that thickly polarized.

This issue is not a simple whose right and whose wrong.

https://www.ourhistory.org.uk/the-history-of-palestine/

Make note of the British Mandate Mr. Starmer and of Oslo Accords of the 1990s.

But of course in today's world an agreement made today is reneged on tomorrow without batting an eyelid.

You can see that everywhere - in business and in government and indeed in ordinary life.

I am in despair.

On 7/26/2025 at 10:10 AM, nauseus said:

 

He might as well. He's fouling everything else up.

Daddy Trump & other leaders aren't gonna like it! Rightfully so.

They /them already screwed up the UK with their Mass migration efforts.

Allowing a Palestine state only appeases the insanity of the oppressed,

who are obsessed with destroying Israel.

Sorry my UK friends the left in your Parliaments are delloustional.

 

google AI:

"Past efforts to establish a Palestinian state have not been successful"

 

On 7/26/2025 at 8:21 PM, Screaming said:

The late great country of England, once a bastion of freedom and democracy is now controls by 220 MPs that are antisemitic and want to recognize a terrorist organization. Very sad indeed!

 

Move to Scotland, or Wales.

54 minutes ago, RAZZELL said:

This will be the end of Starmer. Thank God.

 

Yeah! Then you'll be stuck with Rayner.

 

Winning!

This seems like a distraction from the people arriving in boats 

1 hour ago, bannork said:

The phrase “walking a diplomatic tightrope” is overused by the media, but it is an accurate description of Sir Keir Starmer’s task when he meets Donald Trump on Monday for talks at the US president’s Turnberry golf course in Scotland.

 

According to Downing Street sources, the prime minister will discuss what more can be done to secure a ceasefire between Israel and Hamas, to “bring an end to the unspeakable suffering and starvation in Gaza”, and to hasten the release of the remaining Israeli hostages.

 

Sir Keir is under growing pressure from Labour backbenchers, and several members of his cabinet, to go further by joining France’s Emmanuel Macron in formally recognising Palestinian statehood. But if the prime minister did so, it would weaken his hand with Mr Trump, the only foreign leader with meaningful influence over Benjamin Netanyahu, the Israeli prime minister.

 

Starmer must take a strong line with Trump to relieve the suffering in Gaza

 

 

Starmer must? Oh it's The Independent (my a$$).

12 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

 

Yeah! Then you'll be stuck with Rayner.

 

Winning!

 

IF Starmer goes, they'll all go within weeks.