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US Imposes 19% Tariff on Thailand in Major Trade Shift

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On 8/1/2025 at 6:59 AM, webfact said:

In a bold move, the United States has set a 19% reciprocal tariff on Thailand.

If only it was reciprocal, Thailand taxes the hell out of a lot of products far higher than that.

I would love to see USA tax like for like products going into the USA

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  • HappyExpat57
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    This is still in the negotiation stage, and we all know how true the word of the US has become. 🤥

  • tomazbodner
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    Eventually it's down to consumers. If people avoid buying US manufactured stuff, then it doesn't matter if they have or don't have market access, or whether import duties are 0 or 1000%... 

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On 8/1/2025 at 7:21 AM, HappyExpat57 said:

This is still in the negotiation stage, and we all know how true the word of the US has become. 🤥

About as honourable as the Thai word.

15 minutes ago, hotchilli said:

If only it was reciprocal, Thailand taxes the hell out of a lot of products far higher than that.

I would love to see USA tax like for like products going into the USA

Thailand taxes imported ICE vehicles at 100%. It taxes Chinese EV's at 0%.

 

The USA taxes imported EV's from China at 100%. It taxes imported ICE's from Thailand at 19%.

 

Personally, I would like to see reciprocal tariffs applied to all US exports to Australia. If only the politicians would grow a pair.

 

 

On 8/1/2025 at 8:30 AM, NanLaew said:

 

Thai drivers don't need any F-250's, Silverado's or ANY of those overrated hay wagons, but they will probably like the Tundra's.

 

Me? I would take a Dodge Ram 3500 Cummins Turbo Diesel crew cab dually in a heartbeat.

Dodge Ram =  small man's syndrome 

55 minutes ago, findlay13 said:

Dodge Ram =  small man's syndrome 

 

Which model did you have then?

On 8/1/2025 at 7:40 AM, tomazbodner said:

Eventually it's down to consumers. If people avoid buying US manufactured stuff, then it doesn't matter if they have or don't have market access, or whether import duties are 0 or 1000%... 

Like Crysler, that didn't last long did it. 

On 8/1/2025 at 7:13 AM, ChrisY1 said:

I thought I read maybe 3 weeks ago that Thailand would drop all imports fees on US goods?

Obviously that didn't happen..in fact I've noticed that import fees on Amazon goods imported  to Thailand, have gone through the roof!

 

It is a genuine US product. What is the mfg origin?

4 minutes ago, KhaoHom said:

 

It is a genuine US product. What is the mfg origin?

Genuine US product....😂

For over 20 years, I imported stuff from the US for my American car. 

It was surprising to see the stuff that had "made in" China, Taiwan, etc stickers... on them..🤭

There is no reason that the USA can't compete with Asia. Just pay American labour 7 dollars an hour and American products would be be very competitive.

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2 minutes ago, Purdey said:

Just pay American labour 7 dollars an hour and American products would be be very competitive.

Try paying them 400 Baht per day!

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On 8/1/2025 at 7:40 AM, tomazbodner said:

Eventually it's down to consumers. If people avoid buying US manufactured stuff, then it doesn't matter if they have or don't have market access, or whether import duties are 0 or 1000%... 

Since this tariff insanity began, countries are on notice that the US is a shaky, unstable partner, so that trading with the US can only bring instability. Not unlike at the beginning of the Ukraine war, Euro countries were put on notice that buying Russian oil would end up being more trouble than it was worth so they started finding other sources.                                                 All in all and for different reasons both the US and Israel are ignoring the consequences of their irrational choices, sowing the seeds of future alienation on the world stage

Well, Thailand can hardly grumble about it, as they slap high tariffs on many imports and it's way higher that 19%... Thailand needs to understand the two words "reciprocity" and Realpolitik.

On 7/31/2025 at 10:16 PM, Patong2021 said:

 

Really? Then why is the US importing 4 million barrels of oil a day, 50 Terr Watts/h per annum, from canada? Where does the USA mine the nickel, cobalt, tellurium, niobium, uranium, potash, indium, tungsten, magnesium  and potash to cover its domestic needs?

Trump says he doesn't need Canadian lumber, yet the USA doesn't have enough sawmills or loggers to replace the canadian lumber imports. The USA  doesn't have enough aluminum to cover its domestic needs, nor can it produce enough because Aluminum smelting requires lots of  energy and it just isn't cost effective to produce it in  the USA. Where would all those morbidly obese  Americans source their XXXXL clothing if not from Bangladesh, Vietnam or Cambodia?  Who's manufacturing the  low cost consumer  items the USA demands? It's not as if the USA has anyone making it. All those EU sourced medications the USA wants to surcharge  cannot be made in the USA because the local demand cannot generate enough revenue to justify the manufacturing investment.

The USA expects to sell its products in other countries, without accepting imports from those countries. The USA runs  large surpluses in services and expects that other countries should accept that unfair construct.

 

 

 

 

I am an American and I am sure I weigh a lot less than you fatty.

 

You forget just how big the USA is and how big its buying power is.  That is why all the countries that made a tariff deal did so.  

 

12 minutes ago, Showtime said:

That is why all the countries that made a tariff deal did so.

 

ALL those countries? WOW

 

The White House previously announced tariff agreements with the European Union, Japan, the Philippines, Indonesia, South Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia, Pakistan, Thailand and the UK.

 

 

1 hour ago, CallumWK said:

 

ALL those countries? WOW

 

The White House previously announced tariff agreements with the European Union, Japan, the Philippines, Indonesia, South Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia, Pakistan, Thailand and the UK.

 

 

72 countries listed here

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/aug/01/full-list-tariffs-country-rate-donald-trump-executive-order

41 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

 

That are not countries with which he has a deal, it are the countries on which he imposed his tariffs,

 

You have reading issues?

 

 

The full list of Trump’s tariffs – from India to Taiwan

US president signs executive order that will impose “reciprocal” tariffs on dozens of countries in seven days’ time, and orders imminent 35% tariffs on Canada

 
 
The US president, Donald Trump, has signed an executive order imposing “reciprocal” tariffs ranging from 10% to 41% on imports from dozens of countries and foreign locations, shortly after extending the deadline for a tariff deal with Mexico by another 90 days.

The order listed higher import duty rates that would start from 7 August for 69 trading partners, just hours before the original deadline of 12.01am EDT (4.01am GMT) on Friday was due to elapse.

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2 hours ago, Showtime said:

I am an American and I am sure I weigh a lot less than you fatty.

You forget just how big the USA is and how big its buying power is.  That is why all the countries that made a tariff deal did so.  

 

 

Ok. Congratulations on your not being a part of the majority of male US nationals who are obese.

Yes, the USA is  "big" and yes it has buying power. No one has ever denied, nor ignored that. However, the US economy DEPENDS on several factors which you either do not know of or appreciate the importance of.

- Access to low cost raw materials and commodities. It can be basic metals or softwood lumber. The USA does not have the capacity to replace these commodities. What happens to US farms if they can no longer access low cost Canadian potash? It is the most important ingredient of fertilizers and without it, US agriculture will not be able to have efficiency of production and in some case be unable to grow crops. The USA was once an energy provider to China. No more. China is purchasing its oil and gas from Canada now.

- The US economic driver is its SERVICES. The sale of foreign services is what propels and  supports the US economy.  Unlike  commodities or manufactured goods, foreign markets can disengage much faster and much easier from US based service providers.  No one needs the Bank of America, or Chase or Wells Fargo, or even MasterCard. There are alternatives. When the USA imposed financial restrictions on Russia, the country avoided the sanctions because there are alternative financial services. It isn't easy, but it can be done.  Look at Thailand and it is non US based financial services companies who are now losing market share.  Union Pay has 56% +of the world's credit card market now. It is 100% Chinese state owned. Lineman Rabbit Pay is an indirect subsidiary of Japan's SoftBank. JCB is Netherlands based. Thailand relies on non US financial service providers.

 

There are not yet actual tariff deals. There are working agreements. The Japanese and South Korean "agreements" have been interpreted differently by those countries and the USA. Trump says they will invest $billions in the USA, but the commitments are just words. The EU tariff deal is not yet approved by the EU. The USA doesn't have a tariff agreement with Canada, and Canada is its largest export market. Yes, the USA is collecting Tariffs now. Whether it will be able to push these countries around in 3-5 years is  something else. You are oblivious to the changes that are coming, just as you are oblivious to the fact that  the US consumer will be paying the tariffs.  If the USA could have replaced the imports, it would have done so long ago. It's a basic as knowing that there are not enough sawmills or storage or processing capacity including labor to replace Canadian softwood imports. The USA cannot generate low cost electricity, which is why it purchases it from Canada. US consumers may very well see a 10% -15% export tariff added to their imported electricity and it would still be more cost effective than US sourced electricity. The USA purchases critical  pharmaceutical medications from the EU because it is not cost effective to manufacture them in the USA etc.

 

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Probably the most tragic aspect of these tariff policies is the fact that they're driving countries away from the US and towards China. With the US relinquishing its role as a world leader and a nation that seems to care about things like poverty and disease, they appear to be creating this enormous vacuum that China is eager and willing to fill. 

 

Africa is adjusting to the new reality of US President Donald Trump’s tariffs, with countries on the continent facing some of the highest export charges.

But what could become a crisis is an opportunity for United States rival China, which has long courted African countries and is now offering them a lifeline. “We (Africa) are going straight into the hands of China,” Nigerian economist Bismarck Rewane told CNN.

That is the unfortunate outcome,” Rewane said of Africa’s expected further shift toward China, which has emerged in recent years as the continent’s largest bilateral trading partner.

 

Four African nations - Libya, South Africa, Algeria and Tunisia - face some of the steepest tariffs imposed by the Trump administration, with charges on exports ranging from 25% to 30%.

 

China has offered to soften the impact of US tariffs on Africa, saying in June it would halt charges on imports for nearly all its African partners. There is no other opportunity for African countries to strengthen South-South trade (among developing nations) than now,” South African researcher Neo Letswalo told CNN, while urging countries to “solely turn to China and make it the next US.”

America is gradually forfeiting its global leadership status,” Letswalo said, adding that the more countries “become less dependent on the US, the greater opportunity for China to become an alternative.”

 

Before the tariff deadline, the US did not make a trade deal with any African nation despite efforts from the continent to avoid the tariffs, underscoring Africa’s place on the White House’s priority list.

Gwede Mantashe, South Africa’s minister of mineral and petroleum resources, told reporters Tuesday that other routes are being sought for South African goods. "If the US imposes high tariffs, we must look for alternative markets,” he said. “Our biggest trading partner is China, not the US. The US is num

ber two,” Mantashe added.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2025/08/02/africa/trumps-tariffs-africa-and-china-intl

 

 

 

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On 7/31/2025 at 9:21 PM, Hamus Yaigh said:

Thailand has the right to protect its domestic industries (e.g., automotive manufacturing) and balance trade agreements with local economic needs. Indirect barriers, like safety standards or subsidies, often serve legitimate purposes—protecting consumers, fostering local growth, or ensuring cultural fit. Dismantling them to favor U.S. goods could destabilize Thailand’s economy without clear benefits. 

 

Got it. Fixed it for you.

 

The USA has the right to protect its domestic industries (e.g., automotive manufacturing) and balance trade agreements with local economic needs. Indirect barriers, like safety standards or subsidies, often serve legitimate purposes—protecting consumers, fostering local growth, or ensuring cultural fit. Dismantling them to favor foreign goods could destabilize the USAs economy without clear benefits. 

2 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

 

Ok. Congratulations on your not being a part of the majority of male US nationals who are obese.

Yes, the USA is  "big" and yes it has buying power. No one has ever denied, nor ignored that. However, the US economy DEPENDS on several factors which you either do not know of or appreciate the importance of.

- Access to low cost raw materials and commodities. It can be basic metals or softwood lumber. The USA does not have the capacity to replace these commodities. What happens to US farms if they can no longer access low cost Canadian potash? It is the most important ingredient of fertilizers and without it, US agriculture will not be able to have efficiency of production and in some case be unable to grow crops. The USA was once an energy provider to China. No more. China is purchasing its oil and gas from Canada now.

- The US economic driver is its SERVICES. The sale of foreign services is what propels and  supports the US economy.  Unlike  commodities or manufactured goods, foreign markets can disengage much faster and much easier from US based service providers.  No one needs the Bank of America, or Chase or Wells Fargo, or even MasterCard. There are alternatives. When the USA imposed financial restrictions on Russia, the country avoided the sanctions because there are alternative financial services. It isn't easy, but it can be done.  Look at Thailand and it is non US based financial services companies who are now losing market share.  Union Pay has 56% +of the world's credit card market now. It is 100% Chinese state owned. Lineman Rabbit Pay is an indirect subsidiary of Japan's SoftBank. JCB is Netherlands based. Thailand relies on non US financial service providers.

 

There are not yet actual tariff deals. There are working agreements. The Japanese and South Korean "agreements" have been interpreted differently by those countries and the USA. Trump says they will invest $billions in the USA, but the commitments are just words. The EU tariff deal is not yet approved by the EU. The USA doesn't have a tariff agreement with Canada, and Canada is its largest export market. Yes, the USA is collecting Tariffs now. Whether it will be able to push these countries around in 3-5 years is  something else. You are oblivious to the changes that are coming, just as you are oblivious to the fact that  the US consumer will be paying the tariffs.  If the USA could have replaced the imports, it would have done so long ago. It's a basic as knowing that there are not enough sawmills or storage or processing capacity including labor to replace Canadian softwood imports. The USA cannot generate low cost electricity, which is why it purchases it from Canada. US consumers may very well see a 10% -15% export tariff added to their imported electricity and it would still be more cost effective than US sourced electricity. The USA purchases critical  pharmaceutical medications from the EU because it is not cost effective to manufacture them in the USA etc.

 

Excellent explanation of how reliant America is on imports.  We would be in dire straits without some of these raw materials.

On 8/1/2025 at 11:59 AM, KhaoHom said:

 

Right. Except there's plenty to buy. Agriculture, raw materials, energy.

 

Don't buy anything? Fine, you're locked out of US market

 

It's funny you post up this nonsense at the same time that every country on the planet is scrambling to sort out their tariff and trade issues with the United States.

 

I can't think of anything that US needs from one particular county outside of rare earth minerals - can you?

The U.S. needs Australian beef as in mince so that McDonalds can mix it with the local beef as it has a higher fat content than local beef and Trump lives on those burgers.

10 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

 

Ok. Congratulations on your not being a part of the majority of male US nationals who are obese.

Yes, the USA is  "big" and yes it has buying power. No one has ever denied, nor ignored that. However, the US economy DEPENDS on several factors which you either do not know of or appreciate the importance of.

- Access to low cost raw materials and commodities. It can be basic metals or softwood lumber. The USA does not have the capacity to replace these commodities. What happens to US farms if they can no longer access low cost Canadian potash? It is the most important ingredient of fertilizers and without it, US agriculture will not be able to have efficiency of production and in some case be unable to grow crops. The USA was once an energy provider to China. No more. China is purchasing its oil and gas from Canada now.

- The US economic driver is its SERVICES. The sale of foreign services is what propels and  supports the US economy.  Unlike  commodities or manufactured goods, foreign markets can disengage much faster and much easier from US based service providers.  No one needs the Bank of America, or Chase or Wells Fargo, or even MasterCard. There are alternatives. When the USA imposed financial restrictions on Russia, the country avoided the sanctions because there are alternative financial services. It isn't easy, but it can be done.  Look at Thailand and it is non US based financial services companies who are now losing market share.  Union Pay has 56% +of the world's credit card market now. It is 100% Chinese state owned. Lineman Rabbit Pay is an indirect subsidiary of Japan's SoftBank. JCB is Netherlands based. Thailand relies on non US financial service providers.

 

There are not yet actual tariff deals. There are working agreements. The Japanese and South Korean "agreements" have been interpreted differently by those countries and the USA. Trump says they will invest $billions in the USA, but the commitments are just words. The EU tariff deal is not yet approved by the EU. The USA doesn't have a tariff agreement with Canada, and Canada is its largest export market. Yes, the USA is collecting Tariffs now. Whether it will be able to push these countries around in 3-5 years is  something else. You are oblivious to the changes that are coming, just as you are oblivious to the fact that  the US consumer will be paying the tariffs.  If the USA could have replaced the imports, it would have done so long ago. It's a basic as knowing that there are not enough sawmills or storage or processing capacity including labor to replace Canadian softwood imports. The USA cannot generate low cost electricity, which is why it purchases it from Canada. US consumers may very well see a 10% -15% export tariff added to their imported electricity and it would still be more cost effective than US sourced electricity. The USA purchases critical  pharmaceutical medications from the EU because it is not cost effective to manufacture them in the USA etc.

 

 

 

BTW, I worked in the electric, gas and energy industry for a trading company for many years.  I couldn't remember if it was oil or natural gas so I just looked it up.

 

"In 2023, the United States imported about 8.51 million barrels per day (b/d) of petroleum from 86 countries. Petroleum includes crude oil, hydrocarbon gas liquids (HGLs), refined petroleum products such as gasoline and diesel fuel, and biofuels. Crude oil imports of about 6.48 million b/d accounted for about 76% of U.S. total gross petroleum imports.

In 2023, the United States exported about 10.15 million b/d of petroleum to 173 countries and 3 U.S. territories (American Samoa, Puerto Rico, and U.S. Virgin Islands). Crude oil exports of about 4.06 million b/d accounted for 40% of total U.S. gross petroleum exports. The resulting total net petroleum imports (imports minus exports) were about -1.64 million b/d, which means that the United States was a net petroleum exporter of 1.64 million b/d in 2023."

 

Thus the US is a net exporter of petroleum, but a net importer of crude oil (2.5 million b/d).  Note that it comes from 86 countries.

 

I am sure I can think circles around you.  Yes, I know US consumers ultimately pay the tariffs.  Yes, I know about the electricity imports.  Where people live drives how much if any they depend on electricity imports.

 

I don't know if I am older or younger than you, but I bet regardless of your age I could beat you handedly in a 1.5km/1 mile race.  Same with most other distances.

31 minutes ago, Showtime said:

 

 

BTW, I worked in the electric, gas and energy industry for a trading company for many years.  I couldn't remember if it was oil or natural gas so I just looked it up.

 

"In 2023, the United States imported about 8.51 million barrels per day (b/d) of petroleum from 86 countries. Petroleum includes crude oil, hydrocarbon gas liquids (HGLs), refined petroleum products such as gasoline and diesel fuel, and biofuels. Crude oil imports of about 6.48 million b/d accounted for about 76% of U.S. total gross petroleum imports.

In 2023, the United States exported about 10.15 million b/d of petroleum to 173 countries and 3 U.S. territories (American Samoa, Puerto Rico, and U.S. Virgin Islands). Crude oil exports of about 4.06 million b/d accounted for 40% of total U.S. gross petroleum exports. The resulting total net petroleum imports (imports minus exports) were about -1.64 million b/d, which means that the United States was a net petroleum exporter of 1.64 million b/d in 2023."

 

Thus the US is a net exporter of petroleum, but a net importer of crude oil (2.5 million b/d).  Note that it comes from 86 countries.

 

I am sure I can think circles around you.  Yes, I know US consumers ultimately pay the tariffs.  Yes, I know about the electricity imports.  Where people live drives how much if any they depend on electricity imports.

 

I don't know if I am older or younger than you, but I bet regardless of your age I could beat you handedly in a 1.5km/1 mile race.  Same with most other distances.

 

Another self proclaimed expert. Good for you for having self confidence. The downside of thinking in circles is that you do not go anywhere. You just go round and round, in a circle like a dog chasing its tail, accomplishing nothing.  For an expert on the petroleum industry, you don't seem to be aware the actual activity. Yes the USA imports refined products from many sources, but they are small volumes.

 

A third of US crude oil is imported, and they’re more reliant on Canada than ever before to supply it. In fact, over 60% of U.S. crude oil imports come from Canada—up from less than 5% in the early 1980s.  In volume terms, Canada sends the U.S. about 4 million barrels a day. That’s almost twice as much crude as it did just 15 years ago and quadruple the amount of 30 years ago.  No other country even comes close. The US imports just over 400,000 barrels per day from its top non-Canadian source which is currently Mexico—only 10% of what Canada supplies and the lowest share since the early 1970s. Once-major players like Saudi Arabia and Venezuela are now on the sidelines.   

https://businesscouncilab.com/insights-category/economic-insights/surely-trump-knows-how-much-the-us-relies-on-canadian-crude-oil/#:~:text=But%2C even so%2C a third,5% in the early 1980s.

 

You seem to not grasp the fact that the US imports crude oil from Canada at discount prices and then sells it after refining at a significantly  higher profit margin. Much of the refined product is sold back to Canada. Basically US  oil interests exporting and then US oil interests importing the oil.   The reason this occurs s that the USA was allowed to purchase controlling interests in  Canadian energy companies and because Canada did not build the pipeline network it needed to get oil to the rest of Canada. That is  changing now. The oil pipeline to the BC coast is complete and  hasn't even  been used to its full capacity.  This is oil that would have gone to the USA for refining. It now goes to China which has the refinery capability for the Alberta heavy crude.  More of the  profit now stays in Canada, and does not go to the USA. Soon, a new pipeline will be built to the east. There is already a tacit agreement to increase the natural gas flow east bypassing the USA.

Just to replace Canadian oil would require a 30% increase in production, on top of the gains already made. And businesses drill based on profitability: unless consumer prices rise significantly, there’s little incentive to ramp up production. But unless President Trump wants higher prices at the pump, the U.S. will continue relying on Canadian oil—whether he likes it or not. 

The Alberta business council is a pretty conservative group of people. I don't think they are predisposed to offering commie talking points.😁

 

And I am delighted that you can beat me in a 1 mile race. I am sure all the kids in the special ed class at Ronald Reagan High will be impressed. Maybe they will give you a nice medal and you can wear it to shop class.

 

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