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US Imposes 19% Tariff on Thailand in Major Trade Shift

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23 hours ago, ChrisY1 said:

I thought I read maybe 3 weeks ago that Thailand would drop all imports fees on US goods?

Obviously that didn't happen..in fact I've noticed that import fees on Amazon goods imported  to Thailand, have gone through the roof!

The opposite has happened, Thailand hasn't negotiated anything.

They say they have won big for team Thailand, by reducing a tariff of 36% suspended down to 19%

Imported goods from USA will still have various taxes imposed as always or some kind of trade barrier.

They also stated that some producers like farmers of certain goods would be helped via subsisdies...

I don't see that as much of a trade deal... 

 

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    This is still in the negotiation stage, and we all know how true the word of the US has become. 🤥

  • tomazbodner
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    Eventually it's down to consumers. If people avoid buying US manufactured stuff, then it doesn't matter if they have or don't have market access, or whether import duties are 0 or 1000%... 

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Can someone explain what the word “reciprocal” as in “reciprocal tariffs” means? Has the word been redefined to mean “whatever random number Trump pulls out of his arse”.

14 hours ago, bannork said:

The devil is in the details, and like all these 'deals' they're thin on the ground.

For instance, Thai pig farmers still don't know if US pork imports will be allowed .

Agree

Pork and Rice are where the rubber hits the road.

You can add soybeans and corn perhaps

On 8/1/2025 at 8:03 AM, KhaoHom said:

 

I'm quite disappointed by Aussie and especially kiwi beef tbh.

You remark will be treated with the contempt it deserves.

All these tariffs may yet be deemed illegal by the courts, in which case all payment will have to be returned to those countries that have paid them.  Howard Lutnick's family firm is apparently betting on this happening

4 minutes ago, phetphet said:

All these tariffs may yet be deemed illegal by the courts, in which case all payment will have to be returned to those countries that have paid them.  Howard Lutnick's family firm is apparently betting on this happening

Tariffs are paid by the importer, not origin country. So in case the courts rule the tariffs to be illegal, then the companies who imported the products into the US will get their money back. The damage to the origin country and the US consumer has already been done by that point. 

5 hours ago, impulse said:

 

According to your linked ad, that's an import.  And that's why it's $200,000 USD.  In the US, the Tundra can be had with a V8.

Exactly.   That’s why I think that the full size American trucks (if no duties/taxes/etc) would be a great buy here.

16 hours ago, vangrop said:

please explain

hmm.. ok i hope you dont just troll..so i will spend a bit time to give my 5 cents.. all i say now except Irans capabilities is fact based and can be checked upon if you so wish.

 

the USA in the 12 day stint when Iran retaliated Israels decapitation/regime change attacks (which did not work out as they thought and it was not about nuclear energy as bibi and many others confirmed themself but for decapitation of Irans leadership)

 

within the 12 days Israel dealt with massive destruction to the point that they asked for a cease fire.. Israel was out of air defence capabilities and so was the USA. All 4 air defence layers where almost depleted after 12 days and Iran's missiles hit Israel at will.

 

Local THAAD and Patriot  almost depleted, Israels Dome, davids slingshot air defence where also mostly useless and depleted.

 

the amount of THAAD produced per year is 70 missiles and will be 80-90 in 2028..Patriot yearly production is 600 and will be 700 in 2027.. 

 

USA's own stock of THAAD and Patriots where depleted by 25% within the 12 days as those missiles are produced for the old ways of war (without drones) and 2 THAAD to be sent per Iranian missile and/or drone which if you send 100 missiles and 300 drones per day the stock is gone in a jiffy.

 

now to the cost of such action: irans missles are about 100-500 tsd USD their drones are around 20-40 tsd USD each. in comparison The THAADs are 12 mil USD a pop and Patriots 1Mil odd a pop.. both good but not fit for modern warfare that needs to be sustained for longer periods of time. Also all air defence that is available to the USA and Israel are not able to shoot down any Hypersonics..  not even one hypersonic can be shot down.

 

Iran can send Supersonic missiles by the hundereds a day for month on end, 300-400 Drones a day for years and Hypersonics about 20-30 a day for 6-9 month (these are estimates based on US weapon inspectors over time with multiple sources confirming/estimating such)

 

hope that makes sense 

 

 

On 8/1/2025 at 9:36 AM, Patong2021 said:

The USA has woken up the world to see that the USA is not to be trusted and that the US model of  anything goes capitalism is not reliable.

 

Fine

 

Sell it elsewhere. Easy 🤷

1 hour ago, Airalee said:

Exactly.   That’s why I think that the full size American trucks (if no duties/taxes/etc) would be a great buy here.

 

 I think there's a decent size segment of the Thai market that could use the extra heft of a full size work truck, with their towing capacity.  (Instead of breaking in 2 when fully loaded running down the motorway, as we occasionally witness...)

 

Not to mention the markets that may open up (for better or worse) in RV trailers.  Thailand's indigenous pickup trucks just don't cut it for pulling big trailers like RVs and big boats.  Not for any distance anyway.

 

But that's not going to happen at a 300% import tax rate.

 

21 hours ago, NanLaew said:

 

The Dodge Ram 3500 Cummins Turbo Diesel crew cab dually isn't a car.

Yep just a piece of 💩

5 hours ago, impulse said:

 

 I think there's a decent size segment of the Thai market that could use the extra heft of a full size work truck, with their towing capacity.  (Instead of breaking in 2 when fully loaded running down the motorway, as we occasionally witness...)

 

Not to mention the markets that may open up (for better or worse) in RV trailers.  Thailand's indigenous pickup trucks just don't cut it for pulling big trailers like RVs and big boats.  Not for any distance anyway.

 

But that's not going to happen at a 300% import tax rate.

 

 

I fitted an OEM tow package on my MY14 Ranger 3.2 and easily towed a twin-axle 3800 kg trailer with electric braking from Nong Khai to Hua Hin and back (half empty on return leg). This was about 8% over the maximum rating recommended by Ford. I also did several Pattaya-Udon round trips with closer to the max rated, and didn't experience any issues.

 

The trailer registration rules can be a bit of a chore but my experience is it's because they're simply not familiar with inspecting a properly built and towed trailer. That's why you see many illegal welded angle iron towbar contraptions on rural roads. They can't be bothered with the faff and who cares about safety when the only thing needed to keep a back hoe in a trailer bed is gravity?

 

Then there's the chore on the highway as police checkpoints see you as easy pickings, especially the farang driver which some cops will say is illegal. Once they see everything is legal and there's no money in it, they lose interest, but you've lost about 20 minutes while they go through the motions.

 

I've never seen a local pickup breaking in two but there's a very active industry in beefing up chassis, suspension and axles for heavily loaded regular pickups, once again avoiding the need for towing a trailer. The loads are well over the manufacturers maximum but the Land Transport Office doesn't care. Put it this way, if there was a market here, there would be a U-Haul franchise.

 

The only boats I've seen pulled in and out of the water here is at beach resorts and they use tractors. Thailand isn't a great place for lake boating, RV's or caravanning.

12 hours ago, Jim Blue said:

Wonder why Vietnam got off so lightly ?

They agreed more quickly to a higher tariff than Thailand. Fools rush in...

12 hours ago, hotchilli said:

The opposite has happened, Thailand hasn't negotiated anything.

They say they have won big for team Thailand, by reducing a tariff of 36% suspended down to 19%

Imported goods from USA will still have various taxes imposed as always or some kind of trade barrier.

They also stated that some producers like farmers of certain goods would be helped via subsisdies...

I don't see that as much of a trade deal... 

 

It isn't. None if them are except between the ears of Trump.

On 8/1/2025 at 7:56 AM, tomazbodner said:

Not quite as generic but yes.

If I hated Ford, would never ever want to own one because in my mind it's considered a pile of [insert dirty word here], then even if it was cheaper than competitors, I still would not want to buy it.

On the flip side, if I really loved that thing, but it was double the price of a competitor, for example, but I really really wanted it, I'd still buy it anyway.

 

You have this example with luxury goods in Thailand. People still buy Rolexes etc. despite being considerably more expensive than other brands, and considerably more expensive than in other countries. In fact you can buy a new one in Hong Kong (or US) cheaper than a second hand one in Thailand. But did that stop people from buying them? It didn't. Some just found a way to smuggle them in, others coughed up whatever it cost locally. But when they wanted to have it, they made it happen.

On the other side, you could see someone trying to give something away for free and it's still not accepted as it is undesired.

 

But of course, there will be people on tight budgets who only look at the price, have no brand loyalty, don't care about quality or where it came from... Obviously those would be only swayed by price and take all the freebies they can get. But how many of those would go for a US manufactured product vs. whatever is the cheapest on the market, probably something Chinese?

I love my new Ford Ranger—my 3rd one (last two here in Thailand.  Rides great, great fuel economy and lots of power too.  Made in Rayong.

25 minutes ago, Isaan sailor said:

I love my new Ford Ranger—my 3rd one (last two here in Thailand.  Rides great, great fuel economy and lots of power too.  Made in Rayong.

 

That is what my wife selected, a Ford Ranger, when her company bought her a truck. I was against it. But she knew what she was doing, and has used it to navigate through some fairly deep flooded streets.

1 hour ago, NanLaew said:

 

I fitted an OEM tow package on my MY14 Ranger 3.2 and easily towed a twin-axle 3800 kg trailer with electric braking from Nong Khai to Hua Hin and back (half empty on return leg). This was about 8% over the maximum rating recommended by Ford. I also did several Pattaya-Udon round trips with closer to the max rated, and didn't experience any issues.

 

The trailer registration rules can be a bit of a chore but my experience is it's because they're simply not familiar with inspecting a properly built and towed trailer. That's why you see many illegal welded angle iron towbar contraptions on rural roads. They can't be bothered with the faff and who cares about safety when the only thing needed to keep a back hoe in a trailer bed is gravity?

 

Then there's the chore on the highway as police checkpoints see you as easy pickings, especially the farang driver which some cops will say is illegal. Once they see everything is legal and there's no money in it, they lose interest, but you've lost about 20 minutes while they go through the motions.

 

I've never seen a local pickup breaking in two but there's a very active industry in beefing up chassis, suspension and axles for heavily loaded regular pickups, once again avoiding the need for towing a trailer. The loads are well over the manufacturers maximum but the Land Transport Office doesn't care. Put it this way, if there was a market here, there would be a U-Haul franchise.

 

The only boats I've seen pulled in and out of the water here is at beach resorts and they use tractors. Thailand isn't a great place for lake boating, RV's or caravanning.

 

All good information, but none of that negates my original contention that there would be a Thai market for American vehicles if there wasn't a 200%+ tax and tariff burden.  Whether that be F250s, Mustangs, Vettes, Chargers, or whatever.  I shouldn't have gotten sidetracked in a comparison of brands or towing capacity, because that's beside the point. 

 

The same could probably be said of several models of Euro vehicles.  But the OP is about US trade actions.

 

9 hours ago, Airalee said:

Exactly.   That’s why I think that the full size American trucks (if no duties/taxes/etc) would be a great buy here.

We get plenty of Tundras, Escalades and Denalis from Laos up here on weekends. They don't fit the parking slots at HomePro, Villa Market or Central very well.

11 hours ago, KhaoHom said:

Fine

Sell it elsewhere. Easy 🤷

 

Are you really this oblivious to reality? It works both ways. The US  trade deficit is now growing, USA exports have decreased  $279.0 Billion –4.0%° as of May and is still dropping. The world is starting to avoid US products. It is a trend that will grow, despite the   hollow claims of increased foreign investment in the USA.

 

The US economy is driven by Services, not manufacturing. If not for services, the US deficit would be double or more than what it is now. The Hinrich Foundation in its  commentary last April  points out that services exports now not only are worth US$8 trillion a year but growing at more than three times the pace of goods. The US exports more services to the world than the other way round, and has done so for most of the last 30 years. The United States has run surpluses on its services trade balance unbroken every year since the US Bureau of Economic Analysis published its first data point for the sector in 1999. America’s services trade surplus against the world stood at US$295 billion last year, up 6% year-on-year and rising since 2021.  The world can and will take action to cut back on the use of US services, and this is much easier to do than it is with manufacturing. There is an ongoing disengagement from the US financial system. It will take time, but once lost, it will not come back. Trade works both ways, and it is the USA that is bullying some countries after it forced those countries to interweave their economies with the USA.

4 hours ago, impulse said:

 

All good information, but none of that negates my original contention that there would be a Thai market for American vehicles if there wasn't a 200%+ tax and tariff burden.  Whether that be F250s, Mustangs, Vettes, Chargers, or whatever.  I shouldn't have gotten sidetracked in a comparison of brands or towing capacity, because that's beside the point. 

 

The same could probably be said of several models of Euro vehicles.  But the OP is about US trade actions.

 

 

And your assertion is still faulty, because it does not accept market reality. If there was a market for the vehicle, they would be built in  or assembled in Thailand for the local market. The reason the Ranger  is manufactured in Thailand is because there is a viable market for the vehicle. If Ford was going to sell the F250 it would need to maintain a parts inventory and dealers would need the training and service equipment. It just isn't viable on a small number of sales. It is why Ford did not sell several models or configurations of its vehicles in markets like Canada, despite its proximity to the Canadian market and the previous absence of tariffs.

8 hours ago, NanLaew said:

We get plenty of Tundras, Escalades and Denalis from Laos up here on weekends. They don't fit the parking slots at HomePro, Villa Market or Central very well.

 

So, you're saying there's a market for them in Laos?  Kinda proves my point.

 

2 hours ago, impulse said:

 

So, you're saying there's a market for them in Laos?  Kinda proves my point.

 

 

A market leveraged by Laos being a left-hand drive country?

On 8/1/2025 at 1:30 PM, Lacessit said:

"They" want to bring jobs and manufacturing back to the USA.  Labor costs and electricity are too high there, unlikely.

 

Devaluing the USD is another strategy. Imports are more expensive, exports are cheaper. That also results in capital flight and increased interest rates on the burden of debt.

 

Ultimately, though, it's about tax cuts for the wealthy and Social Service cuts for the poor.

 

It reminds me of a clown with a dozen spinning plates on sticks, hurrying back and forth to keep the plates from falling off.

 

 

The clown and "spinning plates" analogy is the most accurate one that I have heard.

On 8/1/2025 at 7:43 AM, impulse said:

Thais would buy a Ford F250

Just imagine this crap on Thai roads. Too long, too wide, too thirsty.

 

10 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

Just imagine this crap on Thai roads. Too long, too wide, too thirsty.

 

Even Ford small cars are more thirsty than their competitors.

5 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Even Ford small cars are more thirsty than their competitors.

Yes, also with a lot of flaws (Everest)

On 8/1/2025 at 8:45 AM, Hamus Yaigh said:

The U.S.-Thailand trade agreement, finalized August 1, 2025, aims for mutual benefit, not one-sided market access as you think.

Thailand’s economy, while facing challenges, remains classified as an upper-middle-income country by the World Bank, with a strong export sector (e.g., automotive, electronics). Its market protections, like the 300% effective tariff on U.S. cars, reflect strategic priorities shared by many nations, balancing domestic growth with trade obligations. The agreement likely includes selective tariff reductions to avoid U.S. tariffs on Thai exports, fostering reciprocity rather than unilateral concessions.

Global trade dynamics are shifting, but export-driven economies like Thailand adapt through negotiated agreements, not by dismantling protections entirely. Its not as simple as the US administration makes out but appeals to its voters.

Appeals to far too many of its voters … certainly not to all. 

Don should listen to Ron................🤗

 

 

5 minutes ago, transam said:

Don should listen to Ron................🤗

 

 

Sage advice.  Unfortunately, Trump has his own ideas about how tariffs can can make this great country more prosperous.  However, the majority of Americans will become less prosperous.  In fact, many will go under.

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