19 minutes ago, Tug said:

f I recall correctly isent he convicted for falsely claiming financial facts

 

You are not mistaken, of course

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/allen-weisselberg-released-from-jail-former-trump-organization-cfo/

 

The trial revolved around allegations by New York State Attorney General Letitia James that Trump, two of his sons, Weisselberg and others falsely inflated valuations of Trump Organization properties. A judge ordered the former president to pay more than $450 million, including interest, an amount attributed to "ill-gotten gains" from the scheme.

 

The Trump Organization entities were fined $1.6 million in the 2022 case. Trump was not personally charged in that case and denied any knowledge of fraud.

 

 

Posts with derogatory nicknames, intentional misspellings, or personal remarks will be removed. Spell names correctly for all sides of the debate.

 

Some troll posts and replies were removed.

Economist Steve Moore on Fox:

 

During an appearance on “The Bottom Line,” Moore said that the BLS has revised its job creation numbers multiple times. The downward revisions, he added, could reach as high as 500,000.

 

“I am also told by my sources at BLS that they are going to, you know, they do all these re-estimates over time. There’s a good sense that they may revise downward the jobs created by Biden by another 500,000 or so. So those are gigantic errors. And so I think she needed to be fired just because of incompetence,” Moore said.

 

“I can’t really comment on that, whether she was playing politics, but what I can tell you is that she isn’t a very good estimator of the jobs because the numbers have been all over the place,” Moore said.

 

 

7 hours ago, BLMFem said:

No doubt, but by whose choice.....

Ouch!!LMAO touché!!

1 hour ago, impulse said:

Economist Steve Moore on Fox:

 

During an appearance on “The Bottom Line,” Moore said that the BLS has revised its job creation numbers multiple times. The downward revisions, he added, could reach as high as 500,000.

 

“I am also told by my sources at BLS that they are going to, you know, they do all these re-estimates over time. There’s a good sense that they may revise downward the jobs created by Biden by another 500,000 or so. So those are gigantic errors. And so I think she needed to be fired just because of incompetence,” Moore said.

 

“I can’t really comment on that, whether she was playing politics, but what I can tell you is that she isn’t a very good estimator of the jobs because the numbers have been all over the place,” Moore said.

 

 

First estimates are often revised (up or down). It happened under Biden when someone else was in charge, it also happened under Trump 1.0. It also happened in other countries (ex. UK GDP growth)

 

The only thing which doesn't change is that MAGAs always make lame accusations! 😆

 

When estimates were revised down under Biden, they claimed the Initial estimates were rigged in order to make Biden look good! And, of course, when numbers are revised down under Trump, it's because they rigged the new estimates! 🤣🤣🤣

2 hours ago, Tug said:

Something that puzzles me about trump supporters is their desperate denial of the obvious…….look at trump he is infamous for cooking the books,it’s what he does it’s his go to conn,why when he’s caught out on this would things be different?If I recall correctly isent he convicted for falsely claiming financial facts,why would this be different?stop living in denial it makes you look gullible/stupid.

That's the essence of MAGA. When something goes wrong, make up a good conspiracy theory to explain it, and put the blame on others! (ex. the Big Lie). 🙂

 

9 hours ago, transam said:

No, because you are lying that a President was fired................🙄

You have nothing, as usual..........

LOL.  Fired by his own political party.

 

Liberals will eat their own.

9 hours ago, transam said:

😂.......No real evidence to your 'facts' then...........😝

your cognitive issues are getting worse.

 

Trump won the election by a landslide and resides on Pennsylvania Avenue.

 

More important is the amount of NON USC. minds he resides in.  Such as yours

 

He does intimidate the UK types.  Strong , Powerful men do that.

 

 

 

8 hours ago, John Drake said:

 

Halsey, the perfect Trump admiral. Stirred his fleet into two typhoons. Nimitz said "guilty of gross stupidity." ---

 

 

But fortune soon turned against the Third Fleet commander in the form of two typhoons. Most destructive was the first, in December 1944, which claimed three destroyers and hundreds of men and aircraft. A court of inquiry judged that Halsey was primarily to blame, but both Nimitz and King added endorsements that largely nullified the verdict. When his fleet was caught once more by a typhoon in May 1945, Halsey again was found responsible. Nimitz decided that Halsey was guilty of gross stupidity in both typhoons, and only King’s appreciation of his past service and the expected effect on national morale saved Halsey from retirement.  https://www.usni.org/magazines/naval-history-magazine/2017/october/seven-decades-debate

Halsey was a great Admral.  A REAL Admiral. A war fighter.

 

Not some Tranny in COSPLAY.

 

Not entirely his fault.  Weather forecasting in 1944 was entirely different from today.

Could you have done better?  I doubt if you could work your way out of the scullery 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

8 hours ago, BLMFem said:

No doubt, but by whose choice.....

Mine 

2 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

 

For someone who quotes “the rules “

 

You are aware that altering an original post is against the forum rules .

 

I understand to a point,  that’s all the dishonest leftists know how to do.

8 minutes ago, ThreeCardMonte said:

For someone who quotes “the rules “

 

You are aware that altering an original post is against the forum rules .

 

I understand to a point,  that’s all the dishonest leftists know how to do.

Oh dear, what are you on about with "dishonest lefties" and not altering posts.

I haven't altered anything, I just replied to your post ridiculing a man in make-up and included a picture of another man in make up. Nothing altered in your post at all.

Dishonest righties claiming people are altering something that they haven't touched.

1 minute ago, josephbloggs said:

Oh dear, what are you on about with "dishonest lefties" and not altering posts.

I haven't altered anything, I just replied to your post ridiculing a man in make-up and included a picture of another man in make up. Nothing altered in your post at all.

Dishonest righties claiming people are altering something that they haven't touched.

An optical illusion 

9 hours ago, CallumWK said:

The trial revolved around allegations by New York State Attorney General Letitia James that Trump, two of his sons, Weisselberg and others falsely inflated valuations of Trump Organization properties. A judge ordered the former president to pay more than $450 million, including interest, an amount attributed to "ill-gotten gains" from the scheme.

 

Is that the same judge that valued Mar a Lago at $18 million?

 

 

He must think half of the US population are idiots to pull a stunt like this. Oh wait, half of em' must be to have elected him in the first place.

 

1) He gives no evidence or source of data to support his claim the numbers are false, other than he doesn't like them or believe them.

 

Baby man Trump:

  I don't like these numbers so they can't be true. Any data that shows my ideas are not working the way I want them to must not be true. I'm leading the government therefore the economy has to be doing better.

 

Totally incompetent nut bag.

 

If things go on like this and he attempts to "cook the books" of all economic status reports it will be $10/gallon gas and $15 for a dozen eggs before his MAGA nuts wake up and see this guy doesn't know what the hell he is doing.

It's okay to "cook the books" as long as it's in his favor.

Everything Trump touches dies. He's never ran a successful business in his life, declaring bankruptcy at least 6 times. Now he's killing the US's standing as a safe haven when turmoil erupts. Nobody is going to trust any stats put out by the Trump sycophant that will replace the fired career public servant. Nobody will be buying US bonds. The dollar will tank. 

 

Buh bye USA. Hope you enjoyed your 70 years at the top.

On 8/2/2025 at 7:24 AM, Tug said:

You obviously missed who would get slapped around……here’s a clue it ain’t senator jhon McCain…….hope that clears your trump addled brain…..doubt it though 

 

 

It would take a much more extensive explanation than that to help TCM understand anything.    In all likelihood it's probably impossible to accomplish.

Didn’t Biden fire the Trump appointee and appoint his own?

 

Why did no one seem to care about that? 

1 hour ago, mogandave said:

Didn’t Biden fire the Trump appointee and appoint his own?

 

Why did no one seem to care about that? 

William W. Beach is the former Commissioner of Labor Statistics and head of the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS), an independent U.S. government fact-finding agency focused on labor economics and statistics, inflation, and productivity.

 

Beach was nominated for the position in October 2017 and confirmed by the U.S. Senate on March 13, 2019, to serve a four-year term. 

 

In July 2023, President Joe Biden nominated McEntarfer to serve as Commissioner of Labor Statistics at the Bureau of Labor Statistics. She was confirmed by the Senate in January 2024. 

 

Wikipedia

 

Further from her conservative predecessor Mr. Beach:

 

William Beach, a former BLS commissioner appointed by Trump in his first presidency, posted on X that McEntarfer’s firing was “totally groundless”. He added that the dismissal set a dangerous precedent and undermined the BLS’s statistical mission.

 

Beach also co-signed a letter * by “the Friends of the Bureau of Labor Statistics” that went further, accusing Trump of seeking to blame someone for bad news and calling the rationale for McEntarfer’s firing “without merit”.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/aug/02/republicans-trump-bureau-of-labor-statistics-commissioner

 

* https://www.friendsofbls.org/updates/2025/8/1/statement-on-commissioner-mcentarfers-removal

4 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

William W. Beach is the former Commissioner of Labor Statistics and head of the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS), an independent U.S. government fact-finding agency focused on labor economics and statistics, inflation, and productivity.

 

Beach was nominated for the position in October 2017 and confirmed by the U.S. Senate on March 13, 2019, to serve a four-year term. 

 

In July 2023, President Joe Biden nominated McEntarfer to serve as Commissioner of Labor Statistics at the Bureau of Labor Statistics. She was confirmed by the Senate in January 2024. 

 

Wikipedia

 

Further from her conservative predecessor Mr. Beach:

 

William Beach, a former BLS commissioner appointed by Trump in his first presidency, posted on X that McEntarfer’s firing was “totally groundless”. He added that the dismissal set a dangerous precedent and undermined the BLS’s statistical mission.

 

Beach also co-signed a letter * by “the Friends of the Bureau of Labor Statistics” that went further, accusing Trump of seeking to blame someone for bad news and calling the rationale for McEntarfer’s firing “without merit”.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/aug/02/republicans-trump-bureau-of-labor-statistics-commissioner

 

* https://www.friendsofbls.org/updates/2025/8/1/statement-on-commissioner-mcentarfers-removal

They don't like facts.

Just now, Will B Good said:

They don't like facts.

Like authoritarian governments in general.

The key question now that it's crystal clear that the USA is deeply set in this authoritarian black hole is IF it can reverse course from that sometime after Trump. Nobody really knows yet.

5 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Like authoritarian governments in general.

The key question now that it's crystal clear that the USA is deeply set in this authoritarian black hole is IF it can reverse course from that sometime after Trump. Nobody really knows yet.

 

 

I just can't see how the Dems can bounce back without playing the same game as Trump, saying what the majority want to hear even if it means ....lying.....over and over again.

 

Sad.

Just now, Will B Good said:

 

 

I just can't see how the Dems can bounce back without playing the same game as Trump, saying what the majority want to hear even if it means ....lying.....over and over again.

 

Sad.

This rot is well beyond partisan politics.

 

 

1 hour ago, mogandave said:

Didn’t Biden fire the Trump appointee and appoint his own?

 

Why did no one seem to care about that? 

He didn't fire him, despite the fact that very similar events (significant revisions) also happened in 2024....😅

As long as he's firing statisticians generating fake numbers, why doesn't Trump fire whoever is in charge of the CPI and GDP numbers? CPI is consistently underestimated/manipulated to the downside just as GDP is overestimated. That'll not happen, of course, because he likes the lies that come out of those two sets of numbers.

Vance voted for McEntarfer's confirmation.

 

He supports Trump's decision to fire her.

 

He once compared Trump to Hitler.

 

If Trump has to exit via senility, Epstein, or rampant inflation, he is next in line.

 

A guy who changes his tune as often as a jukebox.

 

Congratulations America. You really know how to pick them.

Exciting times ahead........

 

 

 

 

5 hours ago, candide said:

He didn't fire him, despite the fact that very similar events (significant revisions) also happened in 2024....😅

The reporting is that Trump fired a Biden appointee. 

 

If Biden appointed them, than Biden likely fired the Trump appointee, correct? 

 

Did the 2023 revisions not come after the election?

6 minutes ago, mogandave said:

Did the 2023 revisions not come after the election?

Do you mean the 2024 revision? If so, no it came before the election, in august if my memory serves me well.