16 minutes ago, angryguy said:

Always great to have euro socialists tell me whats best for my country

Someone has to warn you about the crony capitalism under Trump. 

2 hours ago, impulse said:

 

Your syndrome is showing.

 

You mean (PDS) pro democracy syndrome? Yes I do admit it, I am supportive of democracy and the rule of law. I know it always comes as a shock to Trump supporters whenever someone calls them out on his nonsense, but unlike what his former pal Giuliani used to like to say, truth is truth. 

1 hour ago, StandardIssue said:

 

Watching too much propaganda on social media, *deleted*News, News Max and the like. They all want to convince you that a lefty is trying to destroy your life etc.. are you so slow that you are quick to believe that nonsense? they are playing you big time bro. They got you scared and militant about nothing and then you believe all that outrageous hyperbole and exaggerated BS. The endless propaganda that keeps you voting for these tyrannical MAGA nut balls. 

They don’t have to convince me that lefty has been trying to destroy the American’ way of life, I’ve been seeing them try for sixty years and watching them try for forty. 

1 hour ago, impulse said:

 

How about against a foreign invasion?

 

 

2 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

An idiot labels a judge a "lefty activist" when the judge delivers a verdict the idiot does not agree with, or more likely does not comprehend. These idiots  have not read the 52 page legal ruling. It is remarkable in its precision and  a read of the  document is an education in Constitutional law. The president has used the US military against the people of the USA.

 

Congress spoke clearly in 1878 when it passed the Posse Comitatus Act, prohibiting the use of the U.S. military to execute domestic law. Nearly 140 years later, Defendants—President Trump, Secretary of Defense Hegseth, and the Department of Defense—deployed the National Guard and Marines to Los Angeles, ostensibly to quell a rebellion and ensure that federal immigration law was enforced. There were indeed protests in Los Angeles, and some individuals engaged in violence. Yet there was no rebellion, nor was civilian law enforcement unable to respond to the protests and enforce the law. Nevertheless, at Defendants’ orders and contrary to Congress’s explicit instruction,federal troops executed the laws. The evidence at trial established that Defendants systematically used armed soldiers (whose identity was often obscured by protective armor) and military vehicles to set up protective perimeters and traffic blockades, engaged in crowd control, and otherwise demonstrate a military presence in and around Los Angeles. In short, Defendants violated the Posse Comitatus Act. Almost three months after Defendants first deployed the National Guard to LosAngeles, 300 National Guard members remain stationed there. Moreover, President Trump and Secretary Hegseth have stated their intention to call National Guard troops into federal service in other cities across the country—including Oakland and San Francisco,here in the Northern District of California—thus creating a national police force with the President as its chief.

 

I doubt that the US Supreme Court will allow the use of the military against US civilians in this way. 

When national guards are federalized then they are in same category as the other regular active duty services. And the Posse Comitatus applies. However the Posse Comitatus act can be suspended if the president invokes the Insurrection Act

3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Indeed, law snd order is the duty of the DOJ and the police.

 

 

1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

You mean (PDS) pro democracy syndrome? Yes I do admit it, I am supportive of democracy and the rule of law. I know it always comes as a shock to Trump supporters whenever someone calls them out on his nonsense, but unlike what his former pal Giuliani used to like to say, truth is truth. 

Is this the democracy and rule of law your talking about? 

 

2 minutes ago, morrobay said:

So when local authorities refuse to comply with federal law, and as a result, order is not maintained, the president can invoke the insurrection act, yes?

31 minutes ago, morrobay said:

1. There was neither an insurrection nor were the LA Authorities unable/unwilling to maintain order.

 

2. The State Governor did not order or request the National Guard to activate in LA.

US appeals court rejects Trump's use of Alien Enemies Act to deport Venezuelans

 

Sept 2 (Reuters) - A federal appeals court ruled on Tuesday that U.S. President Donald Trump unlawfully invoked the Alien Enemies Act to deport Venezuelans he alleged were part of a criminal gang.

In a 2-1 decision, a three-judge panel of the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals issued a preliminary injunction that blocked the Trump administration from removing a group of Venezuelans under the seldom-used 18th-century law.

 

The Act gives the government expansive powers to detain and deport citizens of hostile foreign nations, but only in times of war, or during an "invasion or predatory incursion."

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-appeals-court-rejects-trumps-use-alien-enemies-act-deport-venezuelans-2025-09-03/

 

NB The 5th Appeal Circuit in New Orleans is considered generally the most conservative in the country.

 

NB2 This is the case that the Supreme Court sent back to the 5th Circuit on a 7-2 ruling over which Trump blew a gasket.

5 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Why would anyone use troops against this? 😆

 

Troops against a doctored image? Sounds a bit much, don't you think?

Trump's response: "I will send them in again".

 

Hahahahaha...

The Posse Comitatus Act, of 1878, makes it illegal to use federal troops for domestic policing under normal circumstances. However, it does not preclude the president from sending in troops to protect federal agencies, property and personell.

 

Breyer went to town basically stating any use of troops in the domestic arena is not allowed, which is far too broad brush. Without a doubt his ruling will be overturned on appeal. Most likely there will be some limitations imposed, but Trump will still be able to send in troops to protect federal agencies, federal property and federal personell.

Remarks: Donald Trump Announces Relocation of Space Command to Alabama - September 2, 2025

 

I said, yeah, we have a little bit of a crime problem and we don't have a crime problem in Washington anymore. And the mayor has been very helpful. And the police commissioner has been very helpful. And it's been a great team. And I would love to have Governor Pritzker call me. I'd gain respect for him. And say, we do have a problem and we'd love you to send in the troops because you know what, the people, they have to be protected.

5 hours ago, jerrymahoney said:

That's part of the modus operandi:  At this point, in that any judge that rules the admin is a leftist rogue judge (even if they were a Republican appointee) and, with enough procedural hurdles, even if the actions are found to be illegal the damage is done and it's too late to put Humpty Dumpty back together again.

That was the point of the Shock and Awe effort of this administration.  The law takes time.

10 hours ago, webfact said:

A federal judge has delivered a stinging verdict against US President Donald Trump, ruling that his deployment of military forces in Los Angeles violated federal law. Judge Charles Breyer slammed Trump and Defence Secretary Pete Hegseth for breaching the Posse Comitatus Act, a law prohibiting the use of military troops for domestic law enforcement. This follows the controversial use of thousands of California National Guard members and US Marines in an immigration crackdown.

Yep.  Violations of the Posse Comitatus Act get my attention.  US troops on US streets shouldn't be happening with the exception of National Guard emergency deployments.  I don't know what Trump is playing at, but using US troops on the streets is concerning and should not be happening.  It stinks of a potential breach of the Fourth and Fifth Amendments to the Constitution as US citizens are treated like "enemy combatants" instead of US civilians who are protected from undue search and seizure as well a guaranteed due process.
And worse.  Our troops are being used as manual labor to clean parks and public venues.  What's next?  Janitors, maids, and waiters at Mar-A-Logo with M4A1s slung over their backs?  More often than not, Army/Marine deployments on the street carry the M4A1 Carbine as a performative show of force sans actual ammo.  That even happened overseas on deployments and was a proximate cause for 241 US service members, including 220 Marines, dying in a suicide bombing attack on October 23, 1983 in Beirut, Lebanon. Guards issued rifles and no ammo.  <head-shake> 

👩‍✈️ "If the enemy attacks the gates, you are ordered to wave your rifle at them and repeat, "This is my rifle. There are many like it, but this one is mine. My rifle is my best friend. It is my life. I must master it as I must master my life."  Then do a Moria Haka.
👮‍♀️ "LET ME SEE YOUR WAR FACE!!!"
 "AAAAARRRRRRGGGGHHHHHH!"



👨‍🦲 "Sir, may I have ammo sir."

"This is my ammo box. There are many like it, but this one is empty.  Right now ammo would be my rifle's BBF, but some Zero has declared that troops who have both a rifle and ammo are dangerous, and are potential threats to US national security interests"

👮‍♀️"LET ME SEE YOUR WAR FACE!!!"
 "AAAAARRRRRRGGGGHHHHHH!"
👮‍♀️ The POTUS and SecDef says that all you need are to be able to do 100 push-ups and show the enemy your WAR FACE.  Carry on Private.
 "AAAAARRRRRRGGGGHHHHHH! SIR, YES SIR!!!"

 

46 minutes ago, connda said:

I don't know what Trump is playing at,

 

It's obvious, isn't it, Trump just wants to reduce crime. The places he's sent the federal troops have had major crime waves happening.

 

That's all it is. 

 

Reducing crime.

10 hours ago, webfact said:

...the Posse Comitatus Act, a law prohibiting the use of military troops for domestic law enforcement.

Doesn't this act indeed prohibit deploying USA military on USA soil? That would included Marines. Not sure about National Guard.

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

1. There was neither an insurrection nor were the LA Authorities unable/unwilling to maintain order.

 

2. The State Governor did not order or request the National Guard to activate in LA.

Maybe this anarchy is put up with where you are from.  But not with this U.S. president. Does this look like locals had it under control. It's bad enough putting up with this denial /reading comprehension problems ↑^^ from US citizens . And that sap for a CA governor taking the state to ruin... 

21 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

It's obvious, isn't it, Trump just wants to reduce crime. The places he's sent the federal troops have had major crime waves happening.

 

That's all it is. 

 

Reducing crime.

Crimes did decline in DC which is expected as troops physical presence should deter any individual illegal intention. But is it sustainable? Troops can't be in DC indefinitely as they have primary roles and responsibilities at national level. This is not a solution but threatrics. Idle troops doing landscaping and picking up thrash are misusing their skills that they have been trained. 

2 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Crimes did decline in DC which is expected as troops physical presence should deter any individual illegal intention. But is it sustainable? Troops can't be in DC indefinitely as they have primary roles and responsibilities at national level. This is not a solution but threatrics. Idle troops doing landscaping and picking up thrash are misusing their skills that they have been trained. 

 

No, the imposition of federal troops on a city is a clear wake up call.

 

It signals to the voting population that something is not going right.

 

This will be a clear signal to those on the ground that they will need to do better to combat crime.

 

As such it is an effective educational tool.

10 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

No, the imposition of federal troops on a city is a clear wake up call.

 

It signals to the voting population that something is not going right.

 

This will be a clear signal to those on the ground that they will need to do better to combat crime.

 

As such it is an effective educational tool.

The voting population opposed the deployment of the National Guard to DC according to the new Quinnipiac University Poll and the hospitality industry has taken a big hit with less customers and some may go under. 

 

 

35 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Crimes did decline in DC which is expected as troops physical presence should deter any individual illegal intention. But is it sustainable? Troops can't be in DC indefinitely as they have primary roles and responsibilities at national level. This is not a solution but threatrics. Idle troops doing landscaping and picking up thrash are misusing their skills that they have been trained. 

 

That's just step 1.  Step 2 is judicial reform so the bad guys stay in jail or prison instead of being released again and again by lefty judges who excuse their crimes because they had a tough childhood.

Trump’s Crime Emergency Troops Reveal How Much Trash They’ve Collected

 

Swelling is extream, tarriffs illegal, troops illegal but but but

1 minute ago, sharot724 said:

Trump’s Crime Emergency Troops Reveal How Much Trash They’ve Collected

 

Swelling is extream, tarriffs illegal, troops illegal but but but

It brings criticism because trump is obviously zooming in on cities in blue states.  And yes, Alabama has a 190% higher homicide rate than California.  Louisianna and Mississippi follow.  Will he be sending troops there?  No, but he brought some from there.  Also, when they highlighted that it is costing 1 million per day for the deployment, I couldn't help but think trump spends more per day.

4 hours ago, morrobay said:

Is this the democracy and rule of law your talking about? 

 

It's funny when conservatives trot out this kind of nonsense every time a mass shooting happens, they forget to take into account two factors.

 

Number one the vast majority of mass shootings happen in red states and number two the vast majority of conservatives seem to be against gun control or even tightening the requirements to be able to get guns. It kind of makes sense that if there weren't so many hundreds of millions of guns in America there would probably be fewer mass shootings. 

 

There's no doubt that America is the number one nation in the world. When it comes to mass shootings, that is. 

1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

It's funny when conservatives trot out this kind of nonsense every time a mass shooting happens, they forget to take into account two factors.

 

Number one the vast majority of mass shootings happen in red states and number two the vast majority of conservatives seem to be against gun control or even tightening the requirements to be able to get guns. It kind of makes sense that if there weren't so many hundreds of millions of guns in America there would probably be fewer mass shootings. 

 

There's no doubt that America is the number one nation in the world. When it comes to mass shootings, that is. 

I agree — it would make even more sense, particularly in D.C., to tighten requirements on gun control when Trump keeps calling it the murder capital of the U.S.
 

But in D.C. anyone can now carry an AR-15 in the open — live and at the ready to engage the National Guard if they so please — because Trump’s pick, Jeanine Pirro, has instructed prosecutors to stop enforcing the city’s 50-year open-carry ban on rifles and shotguns.
 

The change seems illogical — unless Trump wants political violence normalized in broad daylight, to provoke an incident.
 

Maybe one he can use to justify calling in the National Guard. And to fulfill his denied “shoot them in the legs” photo-op.
 

Or maybe his ultimate dystopian dream — to declare an emergency to invoke the Insurrection Act nationwide.

4 hours ago, sharot724 said:

Also, when they highlighted that it is costing 1 million per day for the deployment, I couldn't help but think trump spends more per day.

He's trying to limit the expenses by only sending them in for 29 days, avoiding the additional expense of a 30 day deployment.

15 hours ago, morrobay said:

Maybe this anarchy is put up with where you are from.  But not with this U.S. president. Does this look like locals had it under control. It's bad enough putting up with this denial /reading comprehension problems ↑^^ from US citizens . And that sap for a CA governor taking the state to ruin... 

 

1 hour ago, kwonitoy said:

 

Oh sure no problem. I've about given up with you people. Like talking to a bag of bricks 

19 hours ago, morrobay said:

 

When national guards are federalized then they are in same category as the other regular active duty services. And the Posse Comitatus applies. However the Posse Comitatus act can be suspended if the president invokes the Insurrection Act

There was no insurrection. That argument was already dismissed by the court. The federal government could not  show that there was an insurrection, nor did it  pursue that argument.

 

Try again.