58 minutes ago, TedG said:

This proves my theory that if the dems could have gleamed anything for the Epstein files, they would have released it by now. 

They were sealed by a judge....🙂

2 hours ago, candide said:

It seems it's going to be another failed lawsuit for Trump! 🤣

he just lost his appeal on the defamation case against the lady Carroll ... more losses to come

 

Trump Loses Appeal In $83M Carroll Defamation Case

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-loses-appeal-in-83m-carroll-defamation-case/vi-AA1McYxW

 

 

2 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

That card is clearly a fake.

 

Like all fakes, it is too perfect. Just look at the text. Someone obviously planted it with bad intentions.

Why would the Epstein estate forge a fake signature? It doesn't make sense! 

when we think that we saw/heard pretty much everything coming out of his mouth, we are wrong, he can't stop surprising us with more and more contradictions and non sense

 

Trump boasted some of his go-to false claims about crime in the city — insisting that crime is "virtually nothing" thanks to his federal takeover of law enforcement.

 

"Holy Sh*t": People Are Outraged After Donald Trump Revealed What He Thinks Shouldn't Count As A Crime

https://au.news.yahoo.com/people-t-believe-trump-actually-194845207.html

 

2 hours ago, candide said:

It seems it's going to be another failed lawsuit for Trump! 🤣

Trump will have to pay bigly and settle out of court on this one — he’s discovery-averse to the core.
Murdoch’s got him by the b***s, and Trump may as well hand Rupert the autopen to sign a blank cheque.
After all, Rupert needs to recoup his $787M lie-laundry bill — with Smartmatic still pending.

25 minutes ago, candide said:

Why would the Epstein estate forge a fake signature? It doesn't make sense! 

 

Obviously the Epstein estate didn't. Someone else did and placed it there..

 

 

8 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Obviously the Epstein estate didn't. Someone else did and placed it there..

 

 

When?

9 minutes ago, candide said:

When?

 

Last Tuesday, 3.49 am.

Just now, Cameroni said:

 

Last Tuesday, 3.49 am.

In other words, you have nothing...

Just now, candide said:

In other words, you have nothing...

 

Well, ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer.

 

But very obviously this document is faked.

1 hour ago, candide said:

They were sealed by a judge....🙂

Yes, leaks never happen. 

5 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Well, ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer.

 

But very obviously this document is faked.

A question about a stupid baseless claim.....🤣

2 minutes ago, TedG said:

Yes, leaks never happen. 

The investigation and trial occured under Trump...🙂

Gag!

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/white-house-melts-down-over-214440405.html

 

 

4 minutes ago, candide said:

The investigation and trial occured under Trump...🙂

And the Biden admin had access to it. 

4 hours ago, Will B Good said:

 

For me, not about left and/or right per se......more about the rich and powerful finally getting their comeuppance.

you only say that because you know it’s more left than right

 

its clear to everyone 

Donald claims he doesn't do drawings.

However:

“It takes me a few minutes to draw something…and then sign my name….it raises thousands of dollars to help the hungry in New York”, he wrote in a 2008 book.

During his first term as president, one Trump sketch of the Manhattan skyline sold for $29,000 (£21,425) at a memorabilia sale hosted by an auction house in Los Angeles.

 

‘I don’t draw’: Trump’s increasingly desperate Epstein excuses won’t save him

 

Trump, you're a terrible drawer and an even worse liar.

 

A New York skyline drawing signed by Donald Trump and dated 2004, sold to raise money for charity (Photo: Donald J Trump/Sotheby’s via Reuters)

 

A sketch of the Empire State Building drawn by Trump that went up for auction in 2017 (Julien’s Auctions via AP)

17 minutes ago, candide said:

A question about a stupid baseless claim.....🤣

 

Not at all baseless. The White House has clearly stated this document is a fake. Legal action was taken against the newspaper that published it.

 

Darren Indyke and Richard Kahn, a lawyer and an accountant, are the co-executors of the Epstein estate. It would be child's play for someone to use access to either to plant a fake document.

7 minutes ago, bannork said:

Donald claims he doesn't do drawings.

However:

“It takes me a few minutes to draw something…and then sign my name….it raises thousands of dollars to help the hungry in New York”, he wrote in a 2008 book.

During his first term as president, one Trump sketch of the Manhattan skyline sold for $29,000 (£21,425) at a memorabilia sale hosted by an auction house in Los Angeles.

 

‘I don’t draw’: Trump’s increasingly desperate Epstein excuses won’t save him

 

Trump, you're a terrible drawer and an even worse liar.

 

A New York skyline drawing signed by Donald Trump and dated 2004, sold to raise money for charity (Photo: Donald J Trump/Sotheby’s via Reuters)

 

A sketch of the Empire State Building drawn by Trump that went up for auction in 2017 (Julien’s Auctions via AP)

 

Yes, but those are buildings. He clearly did not draw nude women in public birthday cards. That's ludicrous. The card is obviously a fake.

16 minutes ago, TedG said:

And the Biden admin had access to it. 

Why would it know all what was in the thousands of stored pages?

Just now, candide said:

Why would it know all what was in the thousands of stored pages?

Yes, no one at the DOJ knows. 

AI quickie:

 

Forensic analysis of paper and ink examines the chemical and physical properties of inks and paper to authenticate documents, detect alterations, and identify writing instruments. Techniques include chromatography, spectroscopy (like Raman spectroscopy and hyperspectral imaging), and mass spectrometry to identify ink components, determine the order of intersecting lines, and assess the age of documents through chemical changes. These analyses are crucial for investigations involving forgery, counterfeiting, and historical documents, providing critical evidence for legal cases. 

Just now, Cameroni said:

 

Yes, but those are buildings. He clearly did not draw nude women in public birthday cards. That's ludicrous. The card is obviously a fake.

 

The Wall Street Journal, which first reported on the letter's existence in July, said it contained "several lines of typewritten text framed by the outline of a naked woman, which appears to be hand-drawn with a heavy marker".

The US president quickly called the story "fake" and claimed the letter did not exist.

"These are not my words, not the way I talk. Also, I don't draw pictures," he said.

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-09-09/donald-trumps-drawings-and-letters-before-jeffrey-epstein/105753198

 

Donald's signature is very similar to other signatures of his at the time. Apparently the White House have agreed to forensic analysis of the signature. 

Bring it on.

4 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Not at all baseless. The White House has clearly stated this document is a fake. Legal action was taken against the newspaper that published it.

 

Darren Indyke and Richard Kahn, a lawyer and an accountant, are the co-executors of the Epstein estate. It would be child's play for someone to use access to either to plant a fake document.

So now WH claims are reliable.... 🤣

 

Then why doesn't Trump ask for an authentification of the files?

 

BTW, the WSJ did not make any claim about the veracity of the letter, it only described the document. The description was accurate, case closed!

2 hours ago, TedG said:

This proves my theory that if the dems could have gleamed anything for the Epstein files, they would have released it by now. 

Textbook illogical fruit salad — Argument from Ignorance, Shifting the Burden of Proof, False Dilemma, Red Herring, Moving the Goalposts, Hindsight Fallacy, False Attribution.
 

Biden never promised to release the files — that was Trump’s lie.
 

Epstein offended, was arrested, and died under Trump — it was all his <deleted>. Biden then spent 4 years cleaning up Trump’s more urgent mess, like the hundreds of thousands who died needlessly from Covid.
 

Trump’s 92 criminal charges, 28 co-defendants, and 1,400 Jan 6 rioters were already on the DOJ’s plate — do you seriously suggest they should have done more?
 

Biden’s DOJ — unlike Trump’s — wasn’t The Don’s Consigliere.

Just now, LosLobo said:

Textbook illogical fruit salad — Argument from Ignorance, Shifting the Burden of Proof, False Dilemma, Red Herring, Moving the Goalposts, Hindsight Fallacy, False Attribution.

Oh, grow up.   You know as well as I do that if the Dems had something on Trump, they would have used it against Trump.  The Biden DOJ has access to these files. 

7 minutes ago, TedG said:

Yes, no one at the DOJ knows. 

Following your logic, if the Biden administration knew about the letter, then why didn't it leak it? 🙂

2 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

Epstein offended, was arrested, and died under Trump — it was all his <deleted>. Biden then spent 4 years cleaning up Trump’s more urgent mess, like the hundreds of thousands who died needlessly from Covid.

Thus, Trump brought Epstein to justice.  

 

Biden didn't clean up anything.   The COVID-19 vaccine that was developed under the Trump administration via Operation Warp Speed ended COVID-19. 

10 minutes ago, bannork said:

several lines of typewritten text

 

How convenient. So the faker could just use a typewriter. Cause that's what you do when you send a quick birthday note, you get out the typewriter, right? Lol.

 

10 minutes ago, bannork said:

the outline of a naked woman,

 

Of course, it's perfect isn't it? A bit too perfect.

 

10 minutes ago, bannork said:

Donald's signature is very similar to other signatures of his at the time.

 

Well, that's quite shocking, a forgery that looks like the original. That's never happened before. Why would they do that? 

 

10 minutes ago, bannork said:

Apparently the White House have agreed to forensic analysis of the signature. 

Bring it on.

 

Indeed, this will be cleared up with ease. It will be another disapponitment for Trump haters, I fear.

1 minute ago, candide said:

Following your logic, if the Biden administration knew about the letter, then why didn't it leak it? 🙂

Was the letter in the DOJ files?