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Charlie Kirk Memorial Draws Massive Turnout in Arizona

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3 hours ago, angryguy said:

You guys are missing the point. His death is a loss for you guys not us. Midterms will be glorious. Nothing left to discuss, trump will have americas full support

LOL!

 

His sole value is that he brought the full power of the Incel vote to Trump in 2024. To normal people and those outside of the cult, he was either an absolute nobody or a racist misogynist Jeebus freak. His patriarchal and condescending views on what females should be gave Incels an excuse for hitting age 30 as virgins, as 33% of US males now do. He told the Incels it wasn't their fault. Of course it is, because those of us who are "Chads" get plenty. Incels have no game and nothing to offer any woman anywhere, save perhaps for an aging impoverished bargirl with a 3rd grade education.

 

Kirk will win over exactly zero Independent or Dem voters.

 

He will be like the comet Kahoutek...forgotten faster than an Alzheimer's patient forgets what he had for breakfast.

 

Here's a bet:

 

As time passes, Jimmy Kimmel will become far more significant than even the fantasy beliefs of MAGAs, who think anyone will care about Kirk a few weeks from now. Kimmel---if he presses against his dismissal---will be Kimmel v FCC, along the same lines as Roe v Wade, Brown v Board of Education of Topeka Kansas, and Miranda. Whether or not the US retains the glorious 1st Amendment will be decided by the way Kimmel pursues his basic Constitutionally-guaranteed rights.

 

And please don't say Disney is a private company and not subject to free speech, because the only reason Kimmel was taken off was because of the clown Branden Carr and his role as FCC Chair. It was anti-American fascism, pure and simple.

 

Now for some humor, check out how a far right fascist owner of hundreds of TV stations keeps its staff ibn line, doing what MAGAs need---to be told how to think. Watch this video from the 05:30 mark. It's hilarious. Not a MAGA who ever existed knows how to think for him or herself. They all read from the same script. Borgs. The collective. The cult of the moronic.

 

 

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Excerpts from the transcript of President Trump's speech (eulogy?) at the Charlie Kirk AZ memorial:

 

 He did not hate his opponents. He wanted the best for them. That's where I disagreed with Charlie. I hate my opponent and I don't want the best for them. I'm sorry. I am sorry, Erika. But now Erika can talk to me and the whole group and maybe they can convince me that that's not right. But I can't stand my opponent.

 

Now, just like Charlie and Erica made Turning Point hot, we are looking at a country that has the chance to attain a level like never before. * Tariffs are making us rich again, richer than anybody ever thought was possible, and the only one challenging them are people that hate our country, or foreign countries that are paying a price because they did the same thing to us for years. They took advantage of us. But where we're making money, we're becoming richer and richer, and we're taking care of our people better and better. 

 

Indeed, Charlie was killed for expressing the very ideas that virtually everyone in this arena and most other places throughout our country, deeply believed in. But the assassin failed in his quest because Charlie's message has not been silenced. It now is bigger and better and stronger than ever before, and it's not even close. And it's rare that such a thing happens. But Charlie is bigger today than he was. Think about it just two weeks ago. He's bigger today than it was two weeks ago.

 

https://www.livenowfox.com/news/donald-trumps-full-speech-charlie-kirks-funeral

 

* Mr. Trump didn't say whether he ever told the late Mr. Kirk that "'tariffs' is the most beautiful word to me in the dictionary,"

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

I wanted an analysis without any bias,

 

 

Those "famous quotes" were mined out of context. Just try the pilot quote for instance and get the whole segment.

 

 

 

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9 hours ago, Jingthing said:

There is zero chance that the legacy of Kirk will unite the nation.

Anyway -- thoughts and prayers.

 

As long as people like you keep labeling people like Kirk fascists, idiots like Tyler Robinson will drink the kool aid and do something stupid.

 

Maybe time for your ilk to tone down the hate speech. 

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       if he was the screaming racist homophobe that the haters accuse him of being, there would surely be more than a handful of purposely  out of context quotes to back the accusations up ?   But there is not,

      So what actual evidence are the accusations based on ?In the most part its from slanderous and   libellous lefty gossiping on social and mainstream media, the quotes of things he said do not get taken out of context "accidentally"

      There are hordes of obsessed lefties working flat out micro analysing and twisting everything he ever uttered fanatically  looking for the the merest hint of fictional racism or an assortment of phobias no matter how contrived or ridiculous,     it then gets posted on the net and the chinese whispers effect does the rest. 

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56 minutes ago, DezLez said:

No he will just  have his standard brain dead MAGA support as usual!

Yes the Trumpists have lost most everyone else. 

That's why Trump is desperate to prevent real elections for the midterms.

 

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Whitewashed.

Also consider both Charlie and Erika publicly asserted that she is very much to the right of Charlie. A man who pushed racist ideology such as the white nationalist great replacement theory.

To try to paint Turning Point as if they're wholesome innocent Americana like the girl scouts is just plain stupid and wrong.

It's scary to think of a leader to the right of someone espousing the great replacement theory. 

An incredibly apt historical quote:

 

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When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.

 

SINCLAIR LEWIS

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5 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

So are you for free speech or not?

            For a guy alleged to be the biggest threat to free speech since pol pot and Mao se Tung , President Trump seems to  receive and accept an awful lot of criticism, a lot of it highly unpleasant and very personal. Hardly the behaviour of a fascist dictator.

            A member made a comment that was factually correct, there are plenty of nutters out there convinced that they would be doing the world a  favour by ridding the world of a "fascist"  for you to suggest that these people are unaffected by inflammatory rhetoric is clearly ridiculous. Yet just because it is contrary to your own  view you describe  the post as "Vile"  a real time attempt at "vilification" for us all to witness

           Furthermore as everybody who disagrees with the leftists is without exception also "vilified" in the same way,  it means the gun toting nutters will have a never ending supply  of "legitimate" targets

           So yes he is right in what he says, you and the other caring empathetic and peace loving liberals and leftists really should tone down the hate speech, what harm could it do

           

What is all this? I would hesitate to label the man a total fraud, as I know one should not speak ill of the dead. 

I would hestitate to use the term 'snake oil salesman'. What I will say is that anyone who has a modicum of intelligence could and can knock down his whole house of cards.

These people cherry pick the parts of Christianity and 'tradition' to suit themselves, ignoring the parts that totally demolish their idea. They have no integrity at all.

Is the USA becoming a fascist state? Be careful. The people are easily hoodwinked.

 

                      I don't know why they bother,  They are stuck with President Trump and the current administration for the next 3 years or so and their constant whingeing is going to have no effect whatsoever on the decisions the president and his team make

                      Why don't they just all keep quiet and give us all a rest,  infact they might like to spend their spare time dreaming up a few new and original insults ready for the next election campaign,

                    Nazi and Fascist have long since passed their sell by date, they  lost any insulting impact to those they are aimed at and are only good for winding up the would be assassins.

                    By the time the next election comes around the words will have been reclaimed and treated like a compliment

9 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

No. Many are just low information suckers. 

There are no normal, average, "run of the mill" folk amongst them then?

9 minutes ago, JakeC said:

What is all this? I would hesitate to label the man a total fraud, as I know one should not speak ill of the dead. 

I would hestitate to use the term 'snake oil salesman'. What I will say is that anyone who has a modicum of intelligence could and can knock down his whole house of cards.

These people cherry pick the parts of Christianity and 'tradition' to suit themselves, ignoring the parts that totally demolish their idea. They have no integrity at all.

Is the USA becoming a fascist state? Be careful. The people are easily hoodwinked.

 

Well it wasn't just idiot students he out debated  and left looking stupid, many college professors and so called academics went the same way, I would have enjoyed seeing you try and fail to get one over on him

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17 minutes ago, JakeC said:

What I will say is that anyone who has a modicum of intelligence could and can knock down his whole house of cards.

 

They tried that for years.

 

Failed.

 

They couldn't silence him or out debate him. 

 

So they assassinated him.

Wrong @JonnyF

 

Here his whole belief system destroyed in a single debate.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9O7y50cNb7c

 

The fact is he just used dirty debating tactics, but really had no substance at all. You can fool some of the people some of the time and even all of the people some of the time...but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time. Just another fraud IMHO.

 

 

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31 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

There are no normal, average, "run of the mill" folk amongst them then?

No, because to the elitist pseudo-intellectual snobs who infest the left, there can be no answer other than "they are dumb/fooled/evil". The idea that others can have different beliefs is insulting to the righteous robots of the socialist side of the spectrum.  That is why it is so important to libel and disparage anyone who disagrees.

2 hours ago, Wingate said:

I doubt anyone anywhere is asking.

 

You can be an Army of One....in the Bone Spurs Brigade.

I think there were many in that brigade!!!

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May Lord Jesus, our Saviour, receive Charlie Kirk in his loving arms.

 

 

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1 minute ago, Hanaguma said:

No, because to the elitist pseudo-intellectual snobs who infest the left, there can be no answer other than "they are dumb/fooled/evil". The idea that others can have different beliefs is insulting to the righteous robots of the socialist side of the spectrum.  That is why it is so important to libel and disparage anyone who disagrees.

yeah i get it destroy somebody's credibility or paint them as a really bad person , "Paedo " for example or "Racist" once their opponents sub human status has been alleged  (no need  for evidence), there is no further need to discuss or debate their beliefs and views 

Fans of the manosphere should check Charlie out on YouTube Ernestly debating only fans girls and hookers about their body counts and whether or not they should settle down

 

This was almost entirely what I knew of him.

 

Why are not conservatives embracing this important body of his work?

50 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

They tried that for years.

 

Failed.

 

They couldn't silence him or out debate him. 

 

So they assassinated him.

Quite a few people dislike the same side as Trump and are a lot more likely to dismiss Kirk's messages, no matter how true they are. I also think some don't listen to enough of his podcasts and don't see the whole picture of why he said the things he said.

 

Of course he's controversial as his side is the right. I'm in the middle, and see Trump as he really is, but that doesn't mean I don't want to see him do good things with that power.

 

Kirk was a little harsh at times, but anyone with his voice has to be, as his opponents are doing the same. He wasn't nasty as far as I ever saw, but was unyielding because he had his beliefs.

 

I didn't agree with everything he said, especially regarding colleges, but his words on family and pro life were right on. He was very much a Christian, and was stern in the way we should follow God's rules. People have been bending those rules since he made them, and they'll continue to do so to fit their own agenda.

 

If we look at the whole picture of what he stood for, it was right, yet some will pick him apart because they have their own way of thinking, from slightly left to the extreme. 

@fredwiggy I'm going to have to disagree with you there. He simply cherry picked the parts of the bible that fit his personal feelings and ignored the parts that don't. Nothing to do with Christianity, everything to do with hoodwinking people who cannot easily navigate dirty debating tactics and other fools who think he's winning due to those tactics.

 

Take a look at the video that I posted earlier to understand. 

1 minute ago, JakeC said:

@fredwiggy I'm going to have to disagree with you there. He simply cherry picked the parts of the bible that fit his personal feelings and ignored the parts that don't. Nothing to do with Christianity, everything to do with hoodwinking people who cannot easier navigate dirty debating tactics.

 

Take a look at the video that I posted earlier to understand. 

It all depends on how many videos you watch of him, as many are edited. When you listen to well over a hundred, you get a more clearer picture, and being in the middle, I don't lean to any one side but see things as they are.

 

A large portion of his podcasts were about Christianity and were factual, even if they were personal to him. Telling the truth isn't about hoodwinking people. It isn't cherry picking when he talks about the Bible, as he's mentioning parts that fit the individual debate he and others are in.

 

His stance on abortions was right, and he tried to get the younger crowd to understand which is why he spoke at so many schools. Adults are a lot more set in their ways and aren't as easily swayed, but if he got through to a few who were contemplating abortion or had them think if they ever got pregnant, he did his job. Some aren't Christian so will never understand why he did the things he did, as they aren't about following God's rules but their own.

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

 

They tried that for years.

 

Failed.

 

They couldn't silence him or out debate him. 

 

So they assassinated him.

There was no they.

 @fredwiggy  I'm not suggesting that everything he said was wrong. I state that they cherry pick the parts that suit them and ignore the parts that don't. Easy to fool people about the meaning of passages that have been translated and modified over the centuries. Please explain your criteria for factual. Better to find your own moral code, rather than to be continually manipulated. Sadly, American are fodder for that kind of thing.

Look at what they have for a president. A lying grifter who ran questionable businesses and who has open vendettas against anyone who dares to point out his transgressions. 

These people aren't true Christians. They are vile abominations. America seems to be drifting towards fascism. I hope I'm wrong.

11 hours ago, Jingthing said:

There is zero chance that the legacy of Kirk will unite the nation.

Anyway -- thoughts and prayers.

 

Vance calling him a Christian martyr, Trump saying he hates his enemies. This is a Horst Wessel moment. They're carving it out already.

 

(Jesus would have projectile puked if he'd ever heard Kirk talking.)

7 minutes ago, JakeC said:

 @fredwiggy  I'm not suggesting that everything he said was wrong. I state that they cherry pick the parts that suit them and ignore the parts that don't. Easy to fool people about the meaning of passages that have been translated and modified over the centuries. Please explain your criteria for factual. Better to find your own moral code, rather than to be continually manipulated. Sadly, American are fodder for that kind of thing.

Look at what they have for a president. A lying grifter who ran questionable businesses and who has open vendettas against anyone who dares to point out his transgressions. 

These people aren't true Christians. They are vile abominations. America seems to be drifting towards fascism. I hope I'm wrong.

Already there.

1 minute ago, JakeC said:

 @fredwiggy  I'm not suggesting that everything he said was wrong. I state that they cherry pick the parts that suit them and ignore the parts that don't. Easy to fool people about the meaning of passages that have been translated and modified over the centuries. Better to find your own moral code, rather than to be continually manipulated. Sadly, American are fodder for that kind of thing.

Look at what they have for a president. A lying grifter who ran questionable businesses and who has open vendettas against anyone who dares to point out his transgressions. 

These people aren't true Christians. They are vile abominations. America seems to be drifting towards fascism. I hope I'm wrong.

As I mentioned, I don't agree with everything he said, and that also goes for all speakers and politicians, especially regarding the one in office now. I've seen lies, unmet promises , coverups and backstabbing ever since i saw Kennedy shot on TV at 7 years old.

 

I like what he basically stood for, but he was a little hardcore and unyielding and did try to get his points across during short debates, which had him speaking over some of his debaters. He did always put his microphone down, which was a nice gesture to let people talk, but they only had a few minutes many of the times, and trying to get your point across when someone else is doing the same doesn't always pan out right.

 

If he can get some of the younger crowd to follow God's rules, so much the better, especially as far as seeing a fetus as a human and not a bunch of cells.

 

The Trans topic will always be a hard one to debate, as people really think they're of the opposite gender and it isn't easy to turn that thinking around. In any event, he didn't deserve to die because of his beliefs, no matter how he came across to some.

Who was he again?

@fredwiggy You write about rules that can be interpreted differently, depending on the period, translation.

How about do unto others....how does that fit in with persecuting Trans and Gay people and all the myriad attacks on people perceived to be on the Left? It's just hate, pure and simple. Nothing to do with the bible and everything to do with brainwashing people to follow your belief system, by cherry picking the bits that you like.

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