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No Blood Donations from Gay Men: Thailand's Ongoing LGBT+ Fight

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3 hours ago, captain_shane said:

 

Are you two gay by chance? Otherwise, why support such a dangerous practice?

 

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USA data, August 2009.

 

 

1 hour ago, Bday Prang said:

So what I get from this article is ... If you want to encourage more people to give blood , simply restrict more people from doing so ?

How many of these gays would donate if allowed?  my guess is very few, they are just moaning for the sake of it. 

 How do the nurses taking blood know if the donators are gay or not? If really wanted to donate they could always just keep quiet,  much more fun having a hissy fit though (and no need to actually donate either)

 

4 hours ago, webfact said:

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Thailand’s LGBT+ community is once again at the forefront of a legal battle, taking a significant step on 19th September to challenge blood donation restrictions. This marks the third notable fight for equality, following previous successes in changing military draft terms for transgender people and securing marriage equality. The case centres on allegations of discrimination by the Thai Red Cross, which bars LGBT+ individuals from donating blood due to perceived high HIV risks.

 

Historically, the Red Cross's stance is based on screening methods that many argue are outdated and discriminatory. A trans woman, with support from the Committee for Considering Unfair Gender Discrimination, filed a lawsuit claiming the screening process is ineffective and unfairly targets LGBT+ individuals. The Administrative Court, however, sided with the Red Cross citing global data supporting the exclusion based on risk behaviour, not identity.

 

The court maintained that current policies are there to ensure public safety. They stated no sufficient measures have been set in place to safely include those with high-risk behaviours in the donor pool.

 

While the Red Cross claims these practices protect recipients, the issuing of temporary rejection cards to LGBT+ individuals has sparked criticism for potentially damaging reputations by implying these individuals are unsafe donors.

 

In light of this controversy, it is evident that a revised approach is needed, focusing on risk behaviours rather than sexual orientation. Advocacy groups propose updated screening questions about recent unprotected sexual activities rather than blanket exclusions. Current policies remain in place, but there is potential for future changes that align with international standards defining safe periods for donation after risky activities.

 

Moving forward, it is crucial to promote institutional and societal shifts toward a more inclusive system while maintaining safety. The Red Cross, a central figure in this matter, may eventually consider revising its criteria as other countries have. The outcome of this legal struggle could set a precedent and push towards more equitable practices.

 

Key Takeaways

 

  • Thailand’s LGBT+ community challenges Red Cross's blood donation policy.
  • The court supported Red Cross’s risk-based exclusions for donor safety.
  • Revised screening practices could potentially change future donation policies.

 

 

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This seems to be the stupidest policy. How will the Thai Red Cross determine whether someone is gay? Is there a scientific test for "gay"? All blood donations should be tested for HIV, irrespective of sexual orientation, or lifestyle.

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  • captain_shane
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    Um, how about NO? Gays are significantly more likely to have hiv and aids. I don't care how badly homos want to donate blood, it isn't safe.

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    My biological blood type is O positive but I identify as O negative.

  • No Blood Donations from Gay Men: Thailand's Ongoing LGBT+ Fight   And rightly so. They should add people who got covid or the covid shots.   But why this complaining in the OP ?

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1 hour ago, Bday Prang said:

So what I get from this article is ... If you want to encourage more people to give blood , simply restrict more people from doing so ?

How many of these gays would donate if allowed?  my guess is very few, they are just moaning for the sake of it. 

 How do the nurses taking blood know if the donators are gay or not? If really wanted to donate they could always just keep quiet,  much more fun having a hissy fit though (and no need to actually donate either)

You're totally missing the point. It's not about finding some way to pretend not to be gay so that you can donate, it's about being treated equally so that you can donate if you wish, like everyone else. Equality is just that, everyone treated the same. It shouldn't be something that gay people have to get around somehow. Why is that concept so difficult?

1 hour ago, Bday Prang said:

many refuse blood in urgent situations who ever it comes from , jehovah's witnesses are an  example

Anybody can refuse medical attention for whatever reason. That's not the issue here. 

Very standard practice, this happens all over the world, not just Thailand.

 

Also some Brits are not allowed to give blood in many countries due to Mad Cow Disease.

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

Also some Brits are not allowed to give blood in many countries due to Mad Cow Disease.

"However, due to new scientific evidence, these bans have been lifted in countries like the US, Australia, and Spain in recent years, making previously ineligible individuals able to donate."   Source: simple Google search.

11 minutes ago, Baht Simpson said:

"However, due to new scientific evidence, these bans have been lifted in countries like the US, Australia, and Spain in recent years, making previously ineligible individuals able to donate."   Source: simple Google search.

 

Brits are still prohibited from donating blood in Finland, if they lived in the UK during the Mad Cow outbreak

4 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Brits are still prohibited from donating blood in Finland, if they lived in the UK during the Mad Cow outbreak

"People who lived in the UK between 1980 and 1996 were once banned from donating blood in Finland due to concerns about Variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (vCJD) (the human form of mad cow disease). While the risk was considered minimal, Finland, like other countries, imposed a permanent ban as a precautionary measure. 

 

However, this policy is now outdated; the Finnish Red Cross had already lifted the ban, following updated risk assessments and changes in other countries like the U.S."   Source: simple Google search

Imagine getting blood from someone who has Tylenol in their system! 😲😵‍💫

12 minutes ago, Baht Simpson said:

the Finnish Red Cross had already lifted the ban

 

You may want to tell them this:

 

Those who lived for more than six months in the United Kingdom between 1980 and 1996 are permanently barred from donating blood in Finland.

 

https://www.veripalvelu.fi/en/faq/living-in-the-british-isles-between-1980-and-1996/

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Yes, of course the risk of HIV etc is greater amongst the Homosexual community - its a known fact, regardless of the PC implications.  But, its a completely moot point, there could be highly promiscuous heterosexual makes and females who are equally at high risk - so that completely nullifies the point...

 

Then there is the fact that all blood undergoes stringent testing - which makes the whole story moot.

 

Then there is the fact that I know plenty of gay men who donate blood in Thailand - again making the whole story moot.

 

 

Again - this is just the media seeking outrage with media generated bigotry.... 

2 hours ago, Baht Simpson said:

You're totally missing the point. It's not about finding some way to pretend not to be gay so that you can donate, it's about being treated equally so that you can donate if you wish, like everyone else. Equality is just that, everyone treated the same. It shouldn't be something that gay people have to get around somehow. Why is that concept so difficult?

 

Valid point on the 'equality' part and everyone being treated equal - its quite insulting to those 'wishing to give' and then being pushed back....  

 

Bigotry at play.... Its just stupid.

10 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

You may want to tell them this:

 

Those who lived for more than six months in the United Kingdom between 1980 and 1996 are permanently barred from donating blood in Finland.

 

https://www.veripalvelu.fi/en/faq/living-in-the-british-isles-between-1980-and-1996/

Your link seems much more official than my search so I concede your point. 

 

The eligibility criteria on the same site shows no restrictions based on sexual orientation though, which is what we are discussing. Neither does it show UK living restrictions strangely.

 

20 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

Valid point on the 'equality' part and everyone being treated equal - its quite insulting to those 'wishing to give' and then being pushed back....  

 

Bigotry at play.... Its just stupid.

Quite. And I think it's important to note that all that's requested is that screening is done by risk behaviour rather than by sexual orientation. This would equalise everyone. 

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No Blood Donations from Gay Men

 

Oh, That's a bummer. 

6 hours ago, KhunLA said:

I'm a bit miffed I can donate, and couldn't since 60+ yrs old.   As I was a regular back in USA.  That's another silly rule, unless I'm missing something.

Do what I do in Laos - LIE!

 

I can't donate blood since reaching 60 years old.  But I know that the local hospital in Luang Prabang is always short of blood.  So on blood donation days I go to the centre and lie about my age 🙂 .  They never ask to see my passport.  Some years I'm 55 years old, the next I'm 56. Last year I said that I was 54 and caused great confusion (and hidden smiles) from the nurses because they need the blood!

 

The truth is that all I want is the free t-shirt from them each year, thus saving on buying one....

 

In any case, is there some medical reason to ban the over-60s from donating blood?

 

 

10 minutes ago, quake said:

 

Oh, That's a bummer. 

You're on the Leo's early today, Quake. 🙂

 

3 minutes ago, Baht Simpson said:

You're on the Leo's early today, Quake. 🙂

 

 

Always.

but I'm not wrong. :thumbsup:

7 minutes ago, simon43 said:

In any case, is there some medical reason to ban the over-60s from donating blood?

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Must be a Thai thing ..

 

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1 minute ago, KhunLA said:

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Must be a Thai thing ..

 

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So basically it's out of fear that the old codger will drop dead on the floor after giving half a litre.......

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7 hours ago, georgegeorgia said:

Evidence?

In fact it would be less because gay people are using prep more than straight people and drug users 

Statistically 11-15% of Thai men who have sex with men are HIV positive. A significant decrease from 20 years ago when it was 34%. But still a lot higher than 1% for the population as a whole.

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

Yes, of course the risk of HIV etc is greater amongst the Homosexual community - its a known fact, regardless of the PC implications.  But, its a completely moot point, there could be highly promiscuous heterosexual makes and females who are equally at high risk - so that completely nullifies the point...

 

Then there is the fact that all blood undergoes stringent testing - which makes the whole story moot.

 

Then there is the fact that I know plenty of gay men who donate blood in Thailand - again making the whole story moot.

 

 

Again - this is just the media seeking outrage with media generated bigotry.... 

The problem is that a HIV test doesn't actually test for the presence of HIV virus in the blood. It tests for antigens and antibodies that take several weeks to appear. If blood is taken from the body during that window period that blood will never test positive as it's no longer part of the body's immune system which would eventually produce the antibodies which show up in a test.

I think in countries that aren't banning gay donors, it's based on answers to questions about sexual activity, etc.

A gay person who has been celibate for ten years is a better risk than a slutty straight person. 

Good, you never know whose fudge was packed by who and HIV is far far more common with those types. Why are gay people so adamant about giving blood anyway? 

2 hours ago, Galong said:

Imagine getting blood from someone who has Tylenol in their system! 😲😵‍💫

Or Twitler Defense Syndrome

1 hour ago, simon43 said:

So basically it's out of fear that the old codger will drop dead on the floor after giving half a litre.......

A bit like the dentist's chair. I think they've lost a few and are a bit wary now.

36 minutes ago, Oz82 said:

The problem is that a HIV test doesn't actually test for the presence of HIV virus in the blood. It tests for antigens and antibodies that take several weeks to appear. If blood is taken from the body during that window period that blood will never test positive as it's no longer part of the body's immune system which would eventually produce the antibodies which show up in a test.

Presumably they're screening accounts for this, regardless of sexual orientation.

2 hours ago, Baht Simpson said:

Quite. And I think it's important to note that all that's requested is that screening is done by risk behaviour rather than by sexual orientation. This would equalise everyone. 

So it all revolves around people telling the truth, very reassuring  don't think.    Somebody so desperate to give blood would think nothing of lying, It may result in a form of equality but its far from ideal

10 hours ago, webfact said:

While the Red Cross claims these practices protect recipients, the issuing of temporary rejection cards to LGBT+ individuals has sparked criticism for potentially damaging reputations by implying these individuals are unsafe donors.

How does the Red Cross know they are LGBT+?

20 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

So it all revolves around people telling the truth, very reassuring  don't think.    Somebody so desperate to give blood would think nothing of lying, It may result in a form of equality but its far from ideal

You do realise that straight people can lie too don't you?

7 hours ago, Baht Simpson said:

You're totally missing the point. It's not about finding some way to pretend not to be gay so that you can donate, it's about being treated equally so that you can donate if you wish, like everyone else. Equality is just that, everyone treated the same. It shouldn't be something that gay people have to get around somehow. Why is that concept so difficult?

 

You're totally missing the point Thailand is not the UK or the USA trying to make everyone equal.  

I dont agree with this position and think simple testing can be done.  

 

However, to Think Thailand is a place where everyone is equal then you still dont understand how Thai society works. 

Everyone has their place on the ladder, I dont condone this but I'm aware of it and accept it. 

 

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