18 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

So, putting the them together and its easier to see what's happening here.

Image one: the pandemic was manufactured.

Image two: Jewish people ran the vaccine programme.

Thankyou. The rest of your wall of text was nonsense

Edited June 27Jun 27 by Tourist2

6 minutes ago, Tourist2 said:

Thankyou. The rest of your wall of text was nonsense

On the dual citizenship claims: Videos asserting this are not evidence.

Israel doesn't publish a list of dual nationals. The US doesn't either. These claims circulate constantly in this space and when anyone traces them back to a primary source, there isn't one. It's assertion dressed as research.

On BlackRock: Larry Fink and Rob Kapito being Jewish is not disputed. But BlackRock's actual connection to COVID vaccines is tenuous at best. They managed some asset portfolios related to pandemic response funds. That's a long way from "responsible for the vaccine"

The core problem: Even if every dual citizenship claim were verified - so what? The argument still requires you to accept that Jewish people with Israeli citizenship coordinate policy across dozens of independent institutions in multiple countries to serve Israeli interests. That's an extraordinary claim that needs extraordinary evidence. Videos on Rumble or Telegram don't get there.

What actually holds up as criticism

• Regulatory capture between pharma and the agencies meant to oversee them

• Financial conflicts of interest on advisory committees

• Speed of approval versus long term safety data

• Suppression of early treatment debate

All of that is real, documented, and doesn't require the ethnicity or passport of anyone involved.

The dual citizenship angle doesn't strengthen the case. It just shifts it from policy criticism to ethnic conspiracy, which is both weaker evidentially and a different thing entirely.

Your memes simply mean nothing - as you you attempt to tie covid conspiracy to anti-semetism...

It's rather like pointing to the large number of people of Irish heritage who historically served in the New York or Boston police departments and implying that Ireland therefore somehow controlled or dictated those police forces.

A significant proportion of officers in both cities were Irish-born or Irish-American, particularly from the late 19th century onwards, because policing was one of the few stable professions open to Irish immigrants and their descendants. They undoubtedly shaped the culture of those departments, but nobody would seriously argue that the NYPD or Boston Police were instruments of the Irish state. Heritage and demographic influence are not the same thing as national control or political allegiance.

40 minutes ago, atpeace said:

The OP is no longer with us is my guess. He like many of the Covid fanatics were extremely unhealthy individuals.

Yeah, you'd like to believe that because it fits your narrative.

He just got sick of arguing.

Maybe I'm part of the reason he quit the forum -- I can't remember what I said, but I think I pi**ssed him off.

Stop dreaming that people are dropping like flies to fit your narrative.

16 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

A significant proportion of officers in both cities were Irish-born or Irish-American, particularly from the late 19th century onwards, because policing was one of the few stable professions open to Irish immigrants and their descendants. They undoubtedly shaped the culture of those departments, but nobody would seriously argue that the NYPD or Boston Police were instruments of the Irish state. Heritage and demographic influence are not the same thing as national control or political allegianc

Thanks for making my point for me.

Jews are typically usually HEAVILY over represented wherever there are scams -

hence Bernie Madoff (jew) and Sam Bankman-Fraud (jew) are the world record holders for established frauds - individaul (Madoff) and corporate (SBF).

You guys are genuinely world class when it comes to hand-rubbing and running scams.

Who would you call in if you were running a scam on the scale of covid?

jews to scams are like blacks to basketball.

It;s because you jews see non-jews as animals - which is extremely rich when you consider how most jews behave.

Gross people but they are here, like most misfortunes, to help us build character.

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

Not forgotten - but the unhinged 'viruses do not exist' idiocy ignored....

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

Not forgotten - but the unhinged 'viruses do not exist' idiocy ignored....

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

Not forgotten - but the unhinged 'viruses do not exist' idiocy ignored....

No such things as viruses Sir. Just another scientific fact hi-jacked by white-coats wanting to make money.

No viruses = no anti-viral drugs. No viruses = no vaccines. What is there that is so hard for you to understand Richard buddy?

Edited June 27Jun 27 by Stiddle Mump

2 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

No such things as viruses Sir. Just another scientific fact hi-jacked by white-coats wanting to make money.

No viruses = no anti-viral drugs. No viruses = no vaccines. What is there that is do hard for you to understand Richard buddy?

Come one Stiddle - you're slipping - you didn't sign off with "nature has the answers" !!!

Pasteur, Koch, Salk, Sabin all outsmarted by a guy who can't spell difficult - Go lick a rabid dog. Publish your findings. We'll wait.

51 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

Yeah, you'd like to believe that because it fits your narrative.

He just got sick of arguing.

Maybe I'm part of the reason he quit the forum -- I can't remember what I said, but I think I pi**ssed him off.

Stop dreaming that people are dropping like flies to fit your narrative.

The narrative that Covid rarely killed healthy individuals? Maybe you are talking about of my many other narratives.

2 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Posts that explain what COVID actually was.

Sorry, but you missed the mark by a parsec or two. Your 'explanation' was last seen headed to Uranus. But, it was perhaps a good description of the form of paranoia with which you are afflicted.

Edited June 27Jun 27 by gamb00ler

3 minutes ago, gamb00ler said:

2 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Posts that explain what COVID actually was.

Sorry, but you missed the mark by a parsec or two. Your 'explanation' was last seen headed to Uranus. But, it was perhaps a good description of the form of paranoia with which you are afflicted.

Slight correction - last seen heading 'out of' his anus.....

41 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

No viruses = no anti-viral drugs. No viruses = no vaccines. What is there that is so hard for you to understand Richard buddy?

Sorry,,,, but fantasies are usually unique to an individual and not easily understood by others. The problem of understanding is not on Richard's end of the message.

3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

It's recognising that determining cause requires evidence beyond chronology - but for anti-vaxxes, its seems this timing is considered absolute evidence - and thats the flaw.

Impulse knows the vax did it, not you, not I. There is a plethora of documented cases of vax-injured people being gaslit in that way.

3 hours ago, save the frogs said:

18 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

And none of the pro-vaxxers give a sh*t. I am sorry and hope you eventually recover. It's terrible, what happened. It's terrible, what they did.

It's not that I have no empathy for people who are suffering.

But you are expecting us to believe the vaccine is linked to every conceivable illness in the medical dictionary.

So it numbs your face and makes you lose balance and prevents you from climbing stairs?

Sorry, are you sure you guys are ok psychologically and it all isn't psychosomatic?

It's impossible that a vaccine can be linked to all these different medical conditions.

I do appreciate the real-time confirmation.

4 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Rachel Levine isn't Jewish.

She is, actually.

9 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

It's recognising that determining cause requires evidence beyond chronology - but for anti-vaxxes, its seems this timing is considered absolute evidence - and thats the flaw.

Impulse knows the vax did it, not you, not I. There is a plethora of documented cases of vax-injured people being gaslit in that way.

Impulse has no idea. He has a guess. And people like you fossilise that guess into certainty, ensuring he never looks further.

He might 'feel' the vaccine caused his issues - its impossible for him to know - Feelings aren't evidence. Collapsing that distinction is exactly why antivaxx communities are epistemically useless.

Post hoc ergo propter hoc - "after this, therefore because of this"... A fallacy so basic the Romans named

What did Impulse eat that day? Air quality? Stress? A virus already incubating? Every single one carries identical "proof" by your standard. You just picked the answer that fits and stopped asking questions.

That's not knowledge. That's superstition with a timestamp.

"Gaslit" - once meaning deliberate psychological manipulation - now apparently means "asked to think carefully"...

... a stunningly weak argument - I'd expect better from the intellectual depths of mediocrity Stiddle calls home...

4 hours ago, atpeace said:

The OP is no longer with us is my guess. He like many of the Covid fanatics were extremely unhealthy individuals.

I agree with you that a lot of the vax fanatics are /were unhealthy individuals, as evidenced by their posts in the health section and the information they disseminate(d) here and there.

However, I have very good reason to believe Tall Guy John left the forum because he was warned and he couldn't stand it. Myself and a couple of other people formally complained about his attitude and we were told measures would be taken… and poof! Just like that, he was gone. I doubt he was banned… but I have no trouble believing his ego was irremediably injured and he reacted by quitting.

2 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

Impulse has no idea.

I stopped reading there. You are usually much more reasonable and balanced than that in your diction, so I am attributing this to your strong pro-vaccine bias. I encourage you to take a step back and reconsider that mindset. We ultimately know our own bodies better than anyone else does.

If I eat a plate of oysters and get food poisoning right afterwards, it is extremely likely that the oysters are the culprits.

Impulse does have an idea.

2 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

I stopped reading there. You are usually much more reasonable and balanced than that in your diction, so I am attributing this to your strong pro-vaccine bias. I encourage you to take a step back and reconsider that mindset. We ultimately know our own bodies better than anyone else does.

If I eat a plate of oysters and get food poisoning right afterwards, it is extremely likely that the oysters are the culprits.

Impulse does have an idea.

The oyster analogy fails immediately. Food poisoning has a known pathogen, a known mechanism, and is routinely confirmed by testing. You're comparing that to a complex neurological presentation with dozens of potential causes. That's not an analogy. That's a category error.

And no - Impulse doesn't know. He has a guess based entirely on timing - thats all he (and you) have.

The only way he could know is through proper medical investigation - imaging, nerve conduction studies, a differential diagnosis that eliminates other causes. Has any of that happened? Because without it, all either of you have is a sequence of events on a calendar.

"We know our own bodies" covers hunger and fatigue. It is spectacularly inadequate for establishing neurological causation.

So I'll repeat - he has no idea - but the timing fits your 'anti-vax' narrative so you'll use that as evidence - as I mentioned, you're struggling here with 'stittle-esque mediocrity' - its likely why TallJohn couldn't be bothered anymore - its why I don't often come back to these threads - the silliness, and forgive the rudness, degree of stupidity is astonishing.

17 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

So I'll repeat - he has no idea - but the timing fits your 'anti-vax' narrative so you'll use that as evidence - as I mentioned, you're struggling here with 'stittle-esque mediocrity' - its likely why TallJohn couldn't be bothered anymore - its why I don't often come back to these threads - the silliness, and forgive the rudness, degree of stupidity is astonishing.

Right so you don't give a sh*t, just wanted to clarify that.

3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Pasteur, Koch, Salk, Sabin all outsmarted by a guy who can't spell difficult -

And Stiddle outsmarted by a guy who can't spell "rudeness"… 😄

23 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

its why I don't often come back to these threads - the silliness, and forgive the rudness, degree of stupidity is astonishing.

1 hour ago, rattlesnake said:

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

So I'll repeat - he has no idea - but the timing fits your 'anti-vax' narrative so you'll use that as evidence - as I mentioned, you're struggling here with 'stittle-esque mediocrity' - its likely why TallJohn couldn't be bothered anymore - its why I don't often come back to these threads - the silliness, and forgive the rudness, degree of stupidity is astonishing.

Right so you don't give a sh*t, just wanted to clarify that.

Nope - just another assumption - you make a lot of those.

56 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

4 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Pasteur, Koch, Salk, Sabin all outsmarted by a guy who can't spell difficult -

And Stiddle outsmarted by a guy who can't spell "rudeness"… 😄

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

its why I don't often come back to these threads - the silliness, and forgive the rudness, degree of stupidity is astonishing.

Nah... thats just a typo - the other is a guy who can't construct a proper sentence, yet confident he can deconstruct vaccine science.

If you need further explanation - sit back and just try harder.

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

Nope - just another assumption - you make a lot of those.

"Impulse has no idea" is a bigger assumption than I would ever make.

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

Nah... thats just a typo - the other is a guy who can't construct a proper sentence, yet confident he can deconstruct vaccine science.

If you need further explanation - sit back and just try harder.

But it was also a typo that you quoted… so it's fair game.

6 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

No viruses = no anti-viral drugs. No viruses = no vaccines. What is there that is do hard for you to understand Richard buddy?

Come one Stiddle - you're slipping - you didn't sign off with "nature has the answers" !!!

Pasteur, Koch, Salk, Sabin all outsmarted by a guy who can't spell difficult - Go lick a rabid dog. Publish your findings. We'll wait.

47 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

"Impulse has no idea" is a bigger assumption than I would ever make.

Unless there is medical confirmation - his guess based on timing alone is just that - a guess - an assumption - coincidental timing, thats all it is.

31 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

But it was also a typo that you quoted… so it's fair game.

What typo (of his) ???

Edited June 27Jun 27 by richard_smith237

34 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

What typo (of his) ???

"Do hard" instead of "so hard". You quoted this and said "… a guy who can't spell difficult"… "Difficult" being a synonym of "hard"… unless this is just an extraordinary coincidence of course, and in which case, what did you mean when you said "… a guy who can't spell difficult"?

Edited June 27Jun 27 by rattlesnake

39 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

what did you mean when you said "… a guy who can't spell difficult"?

.... T'was a pish take - he avoided to using the word 'difficult' and used a four letter word and a longer sentence instead....

"what's so difficult...." vs "what is there that is so hard...." writes like a five year old, claims to know more than virologists.....

7 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

I agree with you that a lot of the vax fanatics are /were unhealthy individuals, as evidenced by their posts in the health section and the information they disseminate(d) here and there.

However, I have very good reason to believe Tall Guy John left the forum because he was warned and he couldn't stand it. Myself and a couple of other people formally complained about his attitude and we were told measures would be taken… and poof! Just like that, he was gone. I doubt he was banned… but I have no trouble believing his ego was irremediably injured and he reacted by quitting.

I didn't mind his attitude because we never really had any serious confrontations. I also complained because of his inconsiderate style of posting full articles and sometimes many to drown out any discussion. He knew exactly what he was doing and I asked many times politely just to post links. He got away with this approach during Covid because his herd basically owned this forum :)

17 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

Right so you don't give a sh*t, just wanted to clarify that.

They definitely don’t give a <deleted>. It’s their default response. Like we owe them a damn doctors note. They wouldn’t even accept that my choice to not get vaccinated was after consulting with a number of physicians and after discussing my conditions, the conclusion was to take a pass.

Remember when we were told to get vaccinated in order to protect those who couldn’t? Rather than tell me “hey…sorry to hear that…stay safe”, I was told to “get another doctor”.

That is why we should celebrate every cancer diagnosis, heart attack and death.

14 minutes ago, Airalee said:

They definitely don’t give a <deleted>. It’s their default response. Like we owe them a damn doctors note. They wouldn’t even accept that my choice to not get vaccinated was after consulting with a number of physicians and after discussing my conditions, the conclusion was to take a pass.

Remember when we were told to get vaccinated in order to protect those who couldn’t? Rather than tell me “hey…sorry to hear that…stay safe”, I was told to “get another doctor”.

That is why we should celebrate every cancer diagnosis, heart attack and death.

Ultimately, we reap what we sow. "Let Darwin take care of it" was another one of their smart*ss jeers at the time (translation: let them die as a result of their choice). I actually tend to agree with them on that one.

Edited June 28Jun 28 by rattlesnake