26 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

Trump took out drug boats.  Later, she thanked him for supporting her cause.

 

Unless you're claiming she's politically incompetent, you can't unlink those.

 

There is no link.

 

She never mentioned Trump’s extra judicial killings of people on board alleged ‘drug boats’ 

 

You are dreaming up the link.

26 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

Obama got his Peace Prize for being Black and getting elected.  Not for anything he actually accomplished in the job.   Or in his life.

 

Get over your hate of Obama.

31 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

Obama got his Peace Prize for being Black and getting elected.  Not for anything he actually accomplished in the job.   Or in his life.

 

You read like a racist rant........

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Get over your hate of Obama.

 

It's not hate.  It's massive disappointment.  I was thrilled when he was elected.  But disappointed that he campaigned on a promise of gub'ment transparency, then proceeded down the opposite path.  I was sorely disappointed he got the 2nd term.

 

As far as his Nobel Peace Prize.  Had he not been Black, he would not have won it.  In that respect the selection committee was, by definition, racist.

 

Just now, transam said:

You read like a racist rant........

 

If you read accurately, it's exactly the opposite of racist.

 

Just now, impulse said:

 

If you read accurately, it's exactly the opposite of racist.

 

Is it................🤥

1 minute ago, transam said:

Is it................🤥

 

Are you claiming that Obama would have won the Peace Prize had he been white?  For what accomplishment?  Be specific.

 

 

18 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

Are you claiming that Obama would have won the Peace Prize had he been white?  For what accomplishment?  Be specific.

 

 

It’s you who are asserting he won the Nobel Peace Prize because he was black.

 

In the absence of you providing any evidence to back your assertion we are left with it being baseless bigotry.

57 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

1 hour ago, impulse said:

Are you claiming that Obama would have won the Peace Prize had he been white?  For what accomplishment?  Be specific.

It’s you who are asserting he won the Nobel Peace Prize because he was black.

 

In the absence of you providing any evidence to back your assertion we are left with it being baseless bigotry.

 

So...  Nothing, huh?  No accomplishments you can point to?  I couldn't come up with any, either.  Which makes mine the reasoned argument, doesn't it?

 

When you have no arguments, just call out your opponent as racist or antisemitic or homophobic and hope that backs him down.  Lefty handbook 101.

  

If you want to refute my claim legitimately, all you have to do is come up with the accomplishments.  Should be eezy peezy.

 

19 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

It is well mannered to congratulate her and not wish her ill will. Is this a kissing up to Trump behavior? 

What a moronic response.Read the post again and think this time.

3 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

So...  Nothing, huh?  No accomplishments you can point to?  I couldn't come up with any, either.  Which makes mine the reasoned argument, doesn't it?

 

When you have no arguments, just call out your opponent as racist or antisemitic or homophobic and hope that backs him down.  Lefty handbook 101.

 

 

  I'm not sure you understand how arguments work.

 

  You claim Obama only won because he was black but provide no proof of that.  Ergo, you have no argument simply a belief.

 

  Here is an excerpt from his citation, giving the reasons the committee awarded him the prize:

 

  "Obama has as President created a new climate in international politics. Multilateral diplomacy has regained a central position, with emphasis on the role that the United Nations and other international institutions can play."

 

and

 

  "Dialogue and negotiations are preferred as instruments for resolving even the most difficult international conflicts. The vision of a world free from nuclear arms has powerfully stimulated disarmament and arms control negotiations. Thanks to Obama’s initiative, the USA is now playing a more constructive role in meeting the great climatic challenges the world is confronting. Democracy and human rights are to be strengthened."

 

https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/peace/2009/press-release/

18 hours ago, FolkGuitar said:

I believe Norway is now in grave danger of huge tariffs.

So is the USA.

 

What Trump does not seem to understand is that tariffs are a 2 way thing. If you slap a 50% tax on a country and they slap on your country, who wins?

 

Nobody.

 

Who loses?

 

The consumers in both countries, plus the importers and exporters of both countries.

 

Free trade and NO tariffs make goods cheaper and if country A imports more from country B, then should look at why they import those goods and then make those goods themselves and cheaper.

1 hour ago, impulse said:

 

It's not hate.  It's massive disappointment.  I was thrilled when he was elected.  But disappointed that he campaigned on a promise of gub'ment transparency, then proceeded down the opposite path.  I was sorely disappointed he got the 2nd term.

 

As far as his Nobel Peace Prize.  Had he not been Black, he would not have won it.  In that respect the selection committee was, by definition, racist.

 

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So Obama only won it because he was black.

Marina Corina Machado only won it because she was a woman.

What a class act you guys are.
 

17 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

So Obama only won it because he was black.

Marina Corina Machado only won it because she was a woman.

What a class act you guys are.

 

Obama wouldn't have won if he had been a white president with the same record.

 

Who claimed Machado only won because she was a woman?

 

 

1 hour ago, TheAppletons said:

I'm not sure you understand how arguments work.

 

  You claim Obama only won because he was black but provide no proof of that.  Ergo, you have no argument simply a belief.

 

 I understand exactly how argumentation works.

 

If I claim there are no UFOs, all you have to do is point to one case of a UFO to refute my argument. 

 

OTOH, it is literally impossible for me to go through the entire history of mankind and show that there has never been a UFO.

 

Making it about UFOs take away the racist/antisemitic/homophobe aspect, but the argument is the same.  I cannot prove the negative.  It's literally impossible.  The onus is on the side that can prove their argument.

 

And nobody has yet refuted my statement that Obama has no accomplishments to his credit that qualified to win the Nobel Prize.  (Outside of being Black and getting elected).  That should an easy one to refute.  But instead, you call me out as a racist in hopes of shutting me up.  Lefty 101.

 

23 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

 I understand exactly how argumentation works.

 

If I claim there are no UFOs, all you have to do is point to one case of a UFO to refute my argument. 

 

OTOH, it is literally impossible for me to go through the entire history of mankind and show that there has never been a UFO.

 

Making it about UFOs take away the racist/antisemitic/homophobe aspect, but the argument is the same.  I cannot prove the negative.  It's literally impossible.  The onus is on the side that can prove their argument.

 

And nobody has yet refuted my statement that Obama has no accomplishments to his credit that qualified to win the Nobel Prize.  (Outside of being Black and getting elected).  That should an easy one to refute.  But instead, you call me out as a racist in hopes of shutting me up.  Lefty 101.

 

 

  I'm not asking you to prove a negative.  I was asking you to provide proof that the Nobel committee awarded the prize to Obama because he was black.  If you actually did understand argumentation, you would understand that the person making a claim is the one who needs to provide proof of that claim.  You can't because it's false.

 

  Despite your other claim to the contrary, I absolutely refuted your argument by providing some of the accomplishments the committee cited when awarding him the prize.  None of those reasons were "because he was black."

 

  And I never called you a racist.  "Playing the victim" 101.  Right out of the MAGA handbook.

32 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

Obama wouldn't have won if he had been a white president with the same record.

 

That's only your imagination. And it's the reaction of a petulant child when someone else got the toy that they wanted. I am surprised no-one has said "well Trump didn't want the stupid prize anyway - ner!"

 

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Who claimed Machado only won because she was a woman?

Cameroni, several times. Another one who is upset his man crush didn't win so just wants to put down or make out the only reason he didn't win is because he wasnlt a woman, or black.

Like I said, class acts.

33 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

That's only your imagination. And it's the reaction of a petulant child when someone else got the toy that they wanted. I am surprised no-one has said "well Trump didn't want the stupid prize anyway - ner!"

 

Cameroni, several times. Another one who is upset his man crush didn't win so just wants to put down or make out the only reason he didn't win is because he wasnlt a woman, or black.

Like I said, class acts.

 

  Ha ha, keep reading other threads.  

 

  Plenty of crybabies saying "they had to scrape the bottom of the barrel to find this winner"....not realizing the implication that even the bottom of the barrel was preferable to General Fattin'.

 

Having now read the Nobel committees ladatio, it's quite clear that ole bonespurs cannot even hold a spluttering candle to this woman.

 

That must gall him incredibly. Good. 

43 minutes ago, TheAppletons said:

 

  I'm not asking you to prove a negative.  I was asking you to provide proof that the Nobel committee awarded the prize to Obama because he was black.  If you actually did understand argumentation, you would understand that the person making a claim is the one who needs to provide proof of that claim.  You can't because it's false.

 

  Despite your other claim to the contrary, I absolutely refuted your argument by providing some of the accomplishments the committee cited when awarding him the prize.  None of those reasons were "because he was black."

 

  And I never called you a racist.  "Playing the victim" 101.  Right out of the MAGA handbook.

  

"Dialogue and negotiations are preferred as instruments for resolving even the most difficult international conflicts. The vision of a world free from nuclear arms has powerfully stimulated disarmament and arms control negotiations. Thanks to Obama’s initiative, the USA is now playing a more constructive role in meeting the great climatic challenges the world is confronting. Democracy and human rights are to be strengthened."

 

That sure didn't age well...  What happened in 2014?   In 2025, the world is closer to Armageddon than it's ever been.  Except maybe 1962 and 1983, but that's all still secret squirrel stuff.  It may be 100 years before we know how close we were back then, or the past 3 years.

 

And I'd contend that this non-accomplishment was more of a rationalization to give it to Obama.  The real reason is that he broke the glass ceiling.   I do acknowledge that that is subject to differing opinions.

 

But kudos to you for posting something where we can actually discuss the merits.  The other guys on the dogpile just called me a racist with nothing behind it.  I got you mixed up.  My bad.

 

 

 

3 hours ago, impulse said:

 

So...  Nothing, huh?  No accomplishments you can point to?  I couldn't come up with any, either.  Which makes mine the reasoned argument, doesn't it?

 

When you have no arguments, just call out your opponent as racist or antisemitic or homophobic and hope that backs him down.  Lefty handbook 101.

  

If you want to refute my claim legitimately, all you have to do is come up with the accomplishments.  Should be eezy peezy.

 

I legitimately refute your claim.

 

You’ve provided zero evidence.

 

Making up baseless garbage and demanding others prove your fetid imaginings wrong is not how rational discussion works.

1 hour ago, impulse said:

 

 I understand exactly how argumentation works.

 

If I claim there are no UFOs, all you have to do is point to one case of a UFO to refute my argument. 

 

OTOH, it is literally impossible for me to go through the entire history of mankind and show that there has never been a UFO.

 

Making it about UFOs take away the racist/antisemitic/homophobe aspect, but the argument is the same.  I cannot prove the negative.  It's literally impossible.  The onus is on the side that can prove their argument.

 

And nobody has yet refuted my statement that Obama has no accomplishments to his credit that qualified to win the Nobel Prize.  (Outside of being Black and getting elected).  That should an easy one to refute.  But instead, you call me out as a racist in hopes of shutting me up.  Lefty 101.

 

Clearly you don’t.

21 hours ago, Harrisfan said:

Never heard of her. 

Yet at the top of the page, you claim she is a lefty.  Do you know her or not?  Or do you just throw out slurs against people if you don't' get the result you want.....sounds like someone we know.

2 hours ago, impulse said:

 

 I understand exactly how argumentation works.

 

If I claim there are no UFOs, all you have to do is point to one case of a UFO to refute my argument. 

 

OTOH, it is literally impossible for me to go through the entire history of mankind and show that there has never been a UFO.

 

Making it about UFOs take away the racist/antisemitic/homophobe aspect, but the argument is the same.  I cannot prove the negative.  It's literally impossible.  The onus is on the side that can prove their argument.

 

And nobody has yet refuted my statement that Obama has no accomplishments to his credit that qualified to win the Nobel Prize.  (Outside of being Black and getting elected).  That should an easy one to refute.  But instead, you call me out as a racist in hopes of shutting me up.  Lefty 101.

 

Your post is a bundle of fallacies dressed up as intellect.
Argument from Ignorance

Saying 'you can’t prove a negative' doesn’t spare you from evidence.
Claiming 'there’s no proof Obama earned it' is still a claim — and you’ve offered none. Lack of evidence isn’t evidence of absence.

False Analogy
Comparing Nobel qualifications to UFOs is nonsense.
UFOs are unverified; Nobel citations are public. Obama’s literally explains why he received it — nuclear disarmament and diplomacy.

Shifting the Burden of Proof
You claim “Obama had no accomplishments,” then demand others disprove it. That’s not reasoning — it’s evasion. The burden rests with the one making the claim.

You’re not applying logic — you’re hiding behind it.

 

 

 

 

The good old days......when convicted felons and those found liable for sexual assault were not even in the running for a Nobel...........

 

The past is a foreign country. They used to have standards there.

 

 

 

47 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

The good old days......

 

When dropping more bombs on mostly defenceless civilians than anyone else   got you a Nobel 'peace' prize    🤮

10 hours ago, impulse said:

As far as his Nobel Peace Prize.  Had he not been Black, he would not have won it.  In that respect the selection committee was, by definition, racist.

 

The Nobel spokesman always explains why they reward a certain prize to a certain individual, same as they did yesterday, and so it will have been when they awarded the peace prize to Obama.

Did their statement include the words "because he is black"?

5 minutes ago, CallumWK said:

 

The Nobel spokesman always explains why they reward a certain prize to a certain individual, same as they did yesterday, and so it will have been when they awarded the peace prize to Obama.

Did their statement include the words "because he is black"?

No.

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23 hours ago, impulse said:

 

Are you claiming that Obama would have won the Peace Prize had he been white?  For what accomplishment?  Be specific.

 

 

With your racist attitude to black folk there is no point, you crack on, chap.......🥴

 

Harris was black, she didn't win, eh, though would if the USA had a re-run now......🥳