9 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

AI Overview

Natural climate change, including periods with higher temperatures, existed for

billions of years before the industrial revolution.

NASA Science (.gov) +4

• Natural Causes: Past climate changes were driven by natural processes, such as variations in Earth's orbit, volcanic activity, or changes in the Sun's intensity.

Natural cycles, plant food, it's not my fault.

Some people just don't want to accept science or responsibility.

13 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

The intensity of tropical storms has increased in the present day, compared to the 1930's. That's a perfectly understandable outcome of increasing temperatures of air and water.

From where I sit, billionaires funding far-right governments seems to be the latest trend.

Let me know when you succeed in repealing the laws of thermodynamics.

From my link ........

"Looking to the future, is it better to extrapolate trends from 1945, 1970, 1980 or some other year? Projection based on curve-fitting is usually a mug’s game, and the same is true here. The simple fact is that if you tell me what trend you want in hurricanes, I can probably find it for you based on the selection of a starting point for analysis. It is a cherry-picker’s feast. That helps to explain why the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change has concluded that it is premature to assert the detection of trends in hurricanes resulting from human-caused climate change."

8 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Natural cycles, plant food, it's not my fault.

Some people just don't want to accept science or responsibility.

I agree, and they actually believe all the BS they are told.

To me, in 21st Century, and days past, 'accept science' is a new oxymoron. We've been lied to so much, I don't accept anything I'm told by corrupt funded science.

Remember, 'it's safe & effective', and that comes to mind every time someone tells me to accept the science. "get the vaccine, you can't get, or pass the virus to anyone" is another tidbit of 'science'.

Even back in high school, smoke marijuana and you'll go crazy and jump of buildings.

Oh yea, let's not forget, we're running out of oil was a big one in early 70s. The list is endless.

Please tell me again to follow the science, as a chuckle a day is a healthy thing.

11 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

I agree, and they actually believe all the BS they are told.

To me, in 21st Century, and days past, 'accept science' is a new oxymoron. We've been lied to so much, I don't accept anything I'm told by corrupt funded science.

Remember, 'it's safe & effective', and that comes to mind every time someone tells me to accept the science. "get the vaccine, you can't get, or pass the virus to anyone" is another tidbit of 'science'.

Even back in high school, smoke marijuana and you'll go crazy and jump of buildings.

Oh yea, let's not forget, we're running out of oil was a big one in early 70s. The list is endless.

Please tell me again to follow the science, as a chuckle a day is a healthy thing.

Some science is backed by people looking for a profit, and much is done by scientists that actually want to prove theories and search for the truth, without a profit in mind.

A lot of what we hear daily, since the internet began, is opinions without scientific backing, or with a profit in mind, so it's always best to look at all of what's said, and where they get their information or evidence, then make your judgement.

There are also truths on both sides, like the marijuana thing. It's been proven to help in some ways but can also hurt in others. Running out of oil was a lie, based on profits. We waited on gas lines thinking there was a shortage, then later on there's a huge amount. All of a sudden they just find more? People died because of those gas lines.

In this topic's instance, there are people, scientists, that have been taking evidence and theories into account for decades, and seen the evidence for the warming, and it's happening a lot faster now than ever before. This will of course change things, and the possible damage to shoreline areas can be enormous, but will it make changes that will keep hurting the earth and are they irreversible? That we'll eventually find out.

There's no doubt of the damage fossil fuels do, and those finding alternatives are to be commended, as pollution itself can be largely reduced if the other means are put into effect a lot more than they are now.

As far as the above thoughts on polar bears. Losing their "homes", meaning a lot of the ice sheets, means they will encounter more humans. This means there will be more attacks and deaths, as polar bears look at anything that moves as food. This also means more will be shot instead of being left alone , which is another problem.

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

I agree, and they actually believe all the BS they are told.

To me, in 21st Century, and days past, 'accept science' is a new oxymoron. We've been lied to so much, I don't accept anything I'm told by corrupt funded science.

Remember, 'it's safe & effective', and that comes to mind every time someone tells me to accept the science. "get the vaccine, you can't get, or pass the virus to anyone" is another tidbit of 'science'.

Even back in high school, smoke marijuana and you'll go crazy and jump of buildings.

Oh yea, let's not forget, we're running out of oil was a big one in early 70s. The list is endless.

Please tell me again to follow the science, as a chuckle a day is a healthy thing.

Every time you board an aircraft, a ship, or drive a car, you are putting your trust in science and engineering.

Ask a hypertensive to give up their BP medication, or a diabetic to give up their metformin, and see how long they survive.

Back in high school, the skunk available was low potency. Daily users of high potency marijuana are 5 times more likely to have psychotic episodes than non-users.

Just like there are cigarette smokers who are adamant the statistic that says they are 20 times more likely to die of lung cancer than non-smokers does not apply to them.

1 hour ago, BritManToo said:

From my link ........

"Looking to the future, is it better to extrapolate trends from 1945, 1970, 1980 or some other year? Projection based on curve-fitting is usually a mug’s game, and the same is true here. The simple fact is that if you tell me what trend you want in hurricanes, I can probably find it for you based on the selection of a starting point for analysis. It is a cherry-picker’s feast. That helps to explain why the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change has concluded that it is premature to assert the detection of trends in hurricanes resulting from human-caused climate change."

I guess the insurance companies are just not listening. Premiums in fire, flood and storm-prone areas are skyrocketing.

Oh wait, that's probably a global conspiracy as well.

Just now, Lacessit said:

I guess the insurance companies are just not listening. Premiums in fire, flood and storm-prone areas are skyrocketing.

Oh wait, that's probably a global conspiracy as well.

Insurance is a scam, I don't have any beyond that required by law.

And I've learned to live in areas without a history of fire, flood or excessive weather

13 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Insurance is a scam, I don't have any beyond that required by law.

And I've learned to live in areas without a history of fire, flood or excessive weather

I don't disagree. However, there are situations where insurance is a necessary evil.

1 hour ago, fredwiggy said:

Running out of oil was a lie, based on profits.

In 1970, running out of oil was not a lie. It was based on the knowledge and technology of the time, which only knew conventional vertically drilled wells, with oil production levels in decline.

Fast forward a couple of decades, and horizontal drilling plus fracking came into play. Before, the technology had not been developed to position drill bits accurately to enable horizontal drilling.

The shale revolution which converted the USA from an energy importer to an exporter did not take place until the mid-90's, when the two technologies were successfully combined.

4 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

In 1970, running out of oil was not a lie. It was based on the knowledge and technology of the time, which only knew conventional vertically drilled wells, with oil production levels in decline.

Fast forward a couple of decades, and horizontal drilling plus fracking came into play. Before, the technology had not been developed to position drill bits accurately to enable horizontal drilling.

The shale revolution which converted the USA from an energy importer to an exporter did not take place until the mid-90's, when the two technologies were successfully combined.

All politics and bad predictions, along with modern technology not yet around. . They had a lot of oil overseas. The Arab oil embargo had them not wanting to export oil to nations supporting Israel which was a major cause of the problems. . True, until fracking and horizontal was used, it was thought the US was running low. OPEC also using it's strategy to set prices. It did change things to a positive light, having a lot of new technologies used. People panicking and buying as much as they could didn't help. Even in high school we knew it wasn't true.

5 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

All politics and bad predictions, along with modern technology not yet around. . They had a lot of oil overseas. The Arab oil embargo had them not wanting to export oil to nations supporting Israel which was a major cause of the problems. . True, until fracking and horizontal was used, it was thought the US was running low. OPEC also using it's strategy to set prices. It did change things to a positive light, having a lot of new technologies used. People panicking and buying as much as they could didn't help. Even in high school we knew it wasn't true.

OPEC had a very slight and temporary effect. Ex wife and BIL worked at refinery in Philly at the time, and their tanks were full up. With tankers off shore, Q'ing, waiting to get off loaded. Philly had 3 refineries at the time.

It was all BS and greed, as was all the other shortages, everyone seem to proclaim, on all sorts of things at the time. And people fell for it.

How that distrust of mine was formed, decades ago. NEVER FORGET & NEVER TRUST govt or profit makers. From AI, when asked the right question ...

@fredwiggy Some things, you just can't forget ...

5 hours ago, Purdey said:

Personally, I prefer "climate change" over global warming as things are changing. Freezing in New York, boiling in Bangkok. The climate is changing. Temperatures since the 19th century have climbed slowly but like a frog in a pan of water, you and you family don't feel it until you're dead.

i see just about every weather event is being brought up as proof of alarming and unprecedented climate tipping point.

Guterres -"The era of global warming has ended; the era of global boiling has arrived. "

https://press.un.org/en/2023/sgsm21893.doc.htm

fact check: we are stuck in the deepest ice age since before complex life even evolved

https://holoceneclimate.com/temperature-versus-co2-the-big-picture.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_Cenozoic_Ice_Age

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_age

we are still stuck in the deepest ice age since before complex life evolved, (Quaternary ice age) and almost all lives lost are due to cold, not warmth

https://ourworldindata.org/part-one-how-many-people-die-from-extreme-temperatures-and-how-could-this-change-in-the-future

Globally, cold deaths are 9 times higher than heat-related ones. In no region is this ratio less than 3, and in many, it’s over 10 times higher. Cold is more deadly than heat, even in the hottest parts of the world.

The Myth is that climate was lovely during little ice age 1300-1850.

Reality is that crops would routinely freeze over before they had time to ripen, and famine was the norm, and europeans migrated to americas in a last attempt to stave off starvation

5 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

I have no reason not to trust the experts. They have given good evidence of global warming. From the very first time they said we need to change to avoid a tipping point, I knew we couldn't avoid it. It's inevitable.

I don't subscribe to conspiracy theories with one exception, and that is the source of Covid 19. It seemed fairly clear to me it was likely to be the Wuhan Lab and that all international interested parties would prefer it not to be. The thing that nailed it for me was when the CCP skewed the statistics by telling hospitals they could only count it as an infection if (a) the patient was sick and (b) had visited the wet market.

However, on the subject of climate change, there is no evidence to the contrary. The important thing is global average temperature change. Some places and countries will be cooler, and some will be warmer. What's important is the average.

The UK will be a lot cooler when the Atlantic Conveyor stops working, but that doesn't mean there is no global warming. It's important to look at the big picture and not cherry pick datapoints that suit your narrative.

Critical ocean current has not declined in the last 60 years, AMOC study finds

https://phys.org/news/2025-01-critical-ocean-current-declined-years.html

5 hours ago, khaosokman said:

There is no tipping point

https://thebreakthrough.org/journal/climate-change-banned-words/climate-tipping-point-real

it would be nice if you could draw a big red arrow at the end of this graph and type Tipping point at current time

https://holoceneclimate.com/temperature-versus-co2-the-big-picture.html

3 hours ago, Lacessit said:

The intensity of tropical storms has increased in the present day, compared to the 1930's. That's a perfectly understandable outcome of increasing temperatures of air and water.

From where I sit, billionaires funding far-right governments seems to be the latest trend.

Let me know when you succeed in repealing the laws of thermodynamics.

snap out of it

https://web.archive.org/web/20200415123954/https://www1.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/cmb/images/tornado/clim/EF3-EF5.png

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/hurricane-drought-hits-a-new-record/

4 hours ago, khaosokman said:

I did not make it up. It is fact.

Well, you'll have to reveal which research said nothing has changed as I can't find it. It is not a fact without evidence.

Researchers have found that temperatures have increased in Thailand over the past half-century, though there is some variability in their assessments. Thailand's Department of Meteorology reported that the annual mean temperature in Thailand rose by one degree Celsius from 1981 to 2007. Another study found that average annual temperatures in Thailand increased by 0.95 °C between 1955 and 2009, more than the average world temperature increase of 0.69 °C. The annual highest temperature has increased by 0.86 °C and the annual lowest temperature has decreased by 1.45 °C over the past 55 years.

Climate change in Thailand - Wikipedia

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

@fredwiggy Some things, you just can't forget ...

In the news while i was in high school. All of this. Lies, conspiracies, opinions and facts.

Just now, fredwiggy said:

In the news while i was in high school. All of this. Lies, conspiracies, opinions and facts.

I'm surprised so many on AN, our age +/-, forget how we learned to question everything back then. Can only image the control of the nightly news prior to our time.

Sadly, investigative journalism is dead, and millenniums have nothing but MSM for information, and explains so much. Thankfully Musk bought Twitter / X and that helps.

Then of course, you have to research, ask AI the correct question, to verify the other sources of real news & info ... YT & FB

If not for comedic relief, the shorts & reels I put on "PC Anything" thread, I verify the info as accurate, before posting. Especially any health info I post, anywhere on AN.

Or I go with personal experience, which strangely gets questioned a lot. Go figure.

7 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

I'm surprised so many on AN, our age +/-, forget how we learned to question everything back then. Can only image the control of the nightly news prior to our time.

Sadly, investigative journalism is dead, and millenniums have nothing but MSM for information, and explains so much. Thankfully Musk bought Twitter / X and that helps.

Then of course, you have to research, ask AI the correct question, to verify the other sources of real news & info ... YT & FB

If not for comedic relief, the shorts & reels I put on "PC Anything" thread, I verify the info as accurate, before posting. Especially any health info I post, anywhere on AN.

Or I go with personal experience, which strangely gets questioned a lot. Go figure.

You're only allowed to question the right.

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

OPEC had a very slight and temporary effect. Ex wife and BIL worked at refinery in Philly at the time, and their tanks were full up. With tankers off shore, Q'ing, waiting to get off loaded. Philly had 3 refineries at the time.

It was all BS and greed, as was all the other shortages, everyone seem to proclaim, on all sorts of things at the time. And people fell for it.

How that distrust of mine was formed, decades ago. NEVER FORGET & NEVER TRUST govt or profit makers. From AI, when asked the right question ...

All America panicked when OPEC brought in its oil embargo in 1973, That was followed up by the Iranian Revolution of 1979, which affected about 4% of US supply. More panic.

Most companies reliant on oil stockpiled oil due to uncertainty. Drivers would fill up their cars with a couple of gallons of gas, rather than let their fuel tanks go down past three-quarters full.

More sensible countries shrugged, and bought cars that were not gas-guzzlers. I bought a Honda Civic in 1974, brilliant small car for its time.

Let's face it, panicking and paranoia are things Americans do very well. Along with blaming others for self-inflicted wounds.

3 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

All America panicked when OPEC brought in its oil embargo in 1973, That was followed up by the Iranian Revolution of 1979, which affected about 4% of US supply. More panic.

Most companies reliant on oil stockpiled oil due to uncertainty. Drivers would fill up their cars with a couple of gallons of gas, rather than let their fuel tanks go down past three-quarters full.

More sensible countries shrugged, and bought cars that were not gas-guzzlers. I bought a Honda Civic in 1974, brilliant small car for its time.

Let's face it, panicking and paranoia are things Americans do very well. Along with blaming others for self-inflicted wounds.

Says a guy that seems panicked and paranoid about the world ending because of Trump

3 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

All America panicked when OPEC brought in its oil embargo in 1973, That was followed up by the Iranian Revolution of 1979, which affected about 4% of US supply. More panic.

Most companies reliant on oil stockpiled oil due to uncertainty. Drivers would fill up their cars with a couple of gallons of gas, rather than let their fuel tanks go down past three-quarters full.

More sensible countries shrugged, and bought cars that were not gas-guzzlers. I bought a Honda Civic in 1974, brilliant small car for its time.

Let's face it, panicking and paranoia are things Americans do very well. Along with blaming others for self-inflicted wounds.

Except for first vehicle (VW van), all my vehicles were Detroit gas guzzlers, until after 1980. Then went with JP's practical, dependable models (Datsun/Nissan, Mazda), though still having some Detroit guzzlers, just for fun.

MC - JP (Honda), IF wanting to ride further than untrustworthy Harleys would take you. Nortons & Triumphs had bad rep also.

With all those carbon footprints, (on topic as always), and doom & gloom predictions, none coming true, we're suppose to think, sometime in the next century or 2, we should start to worry about our demise via 'greenhouse effect', that we really have no control over, but more taxes will surely solve ...

You couldn't make this crap up .... oh wait, they did. One born every minute, or so I read.

Not just Yanks fall for it, and thankfully, Trump pulling out of "Paris Agreement" ... what a scam.

17 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

All America panicked when OPEC brought in its oil embargo in 1973, That was followed up by the Iranian Revolution of 1979, which affected about 4% of US supply. More panic.

Most companies reliant on oil stockpiled oil due to uncertainty. Drivers would fill up their cars with a couple of gallons of gas, rather than let their fuel tanks go down past three-quarters full.

More sensible countries shrugged, and bought cars that were not gas-guzzlers. I bought a Honda Civic in 1974, brilliant small car for its time.

Let's face it, panicking and paranoia are things Americans do very well. Along with blaming others for self-inflicted wounds.

Not sure what other countries are more sensible, but European countries are a lot smaller, with smaller roads, lesser populations and higher gas prices, which are usual reasons they buy smaller cars.

Americans use more trucks also, having huge country living areas, hunting, fishing, camping and more construction. Not as much about gas guzzling but necessary for those activities.

Limited parking spaces in many European towns also has their small choices a better idea. If you visit the US, you'll see huge parking lots and high rise parking, bigger malls and more sports complexes. More traveling in America by families from that much bigger population.

I've never seen nor heard of Americans panicking or paranoid, knowing thousands personally all my life, as all of us know we are a super power, and the rest of the world also knows this and needs us as much as we need them.

Asian countries follow suit. Smaller, more efficient cars from large populations, less money, and crowded conditions in the cities. Kei cars are popular in Japan, but they don't have the safety features larger vehicles do.

I myself had many vehicles, trucks after I started serious hunting at 25, and wouldn't trade them for a smaller version. I did have Toyota pickups and 4 -runners, but these aren't small, even though they did have 4 cylinder engines (about the best). Decent on gas, not guzzlers, although I did have a couple that were, American made. In reality, only people who live in America, or have for many years, really know all of what goes on there. Lots of videos, opinions, exaggerations, lies and opinions but reality is different.

12 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Not sure what other countries are more sensible, but European countries are a lot smaller, with smaller roads, lesser populations and higher gas prices, which are usual reasons they buy smaller cars.

Americans use more trucks also, having huge country living areas, hunting, fishing, camping and more construction. Not as much about gas guzzling but necessary for those activities.

Limited parking spaces in many European towns also has their small choices a better idea. If you visit the US, you'll see huge parking lots and high rise parking, bigger malls and more sports complexes. More traveling in America by families from that much bigger population.

I've never seen nor heard of Americans panicking or paranoid, knowing thousands personally all my life, as all of us know we are a super power, and the rest of the world also knows this and needs us as much as we need them.

Asian countries follow suit. Smaller, more efficient cars from large populations, less money, and crowded conditions in the cities. Kei cars are popular in Japan, but they don't have the safety features larger vehicles do.

I myself had many vehicles, trucks after I started serious hunting at 25, and wouldn't trade them for a smaller version. I did have Toyota pickups and 4 -runners, but these aren't small, even though they did have 4 cylinder engines (about the best). Decent on gas, not guzzlers, although I did have a couple that were, American made.

Yeah, only about half of EU citizens own cars while over 90% of US citizens do.

1 hour ago, fredwiggy said:

Not sure what other countries are more sensible, but European countries are a lot smaller, with smaller roads, lesser populations and higher gas prices, which are usual reasons they buy smaller cars.

Americans use more trucks also, having huge country living areas, hunting, fishing, camping and more construction. Not as much about gas guzzling but necessary for those activities.

Limited parking spaces in many European towns also has their small choices a better idea. If you visit the US, you'll see huge parking lots and high rise parking, bigger malls and more sports complexes. More traveling in America by families from that much bigger population.

I've never seen nor heard of Americans panicking or paranoid, knowing thousands personally all my life, as all of us know we are a super power, and the rest of the world also knows this and needs us as much as we need them.

Asian countries follow suit. Smaller, more efficient cars from large populations, less money, and crowded conditions in the cities. Kei cars are popular in Japan, but they don't have the safety features larger vehicles do.

I myself had many vehicles, trucks after I started serious hunting at 25, and wouldn't trade them for a smaller version. I did have Toyota pickups and 4 -runners, but these aren't small, even though they did have 4 cylinder engines (about the best). Decent on gas, not guzzlers, although I did have a couple that were, American made. In reality, only people who live in America, or have for many years, really know all of what goes on there. Lots of videos, opinions, exaggerations, lies and opinions but reality is different.

I can only relate my evidence of why I think Americans are paranoid. And I have been to America many times.

The first is my former father in law (RIP) who was a commando in WWII. He said Australian soldiers hated being billeted next to American troops, because they were trigger-happy idiots. The accidental discharge of a firearm in the American camp was enough to have US troops start firing at random.

Of course, there is the McCarthy era. Reds under every bed.

I was traveling through Philadelphia in a car with a salesman of a company I was visiting. The discussion got around to hunting, and he said he had 19 firearms in his home. When I asked him why he needed so many, it was in case the Commies invade. He was quite serious.

You have oceans east and west of you. You have friendly neighbors north and south of you, although Trump is doing his best to screw that up. The probability of you being invaded by any military force is vanishingly small. Which makes your paranoia even more absurd.

Back on topic, renewables are the cheapest form of energy around. Oil is getting more expensive because the low-hanging fruit of conventional wells is almost gone. Countries who can get to 100% renewable will have economic advantage over those still dependent on oil.

China has over 50,000 km of high speed rail. America has just 735 km. Guess who leads the world for installation of solar and wind power?

See where I am going with this?

2 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

I can only relate my evidence of why I think Americans are paranoid. And I have been to America many times.

The first is my former father in law (RIP) who was a commando in WWII. He said Australian soldiers hated being billeted next to American troops, because they were trigger-happy idiots. The accidental discharge of a firearm in the American camp was enough to have US troops start firing at random.

Of course, there is the McCarthy era. Reds under every bed.

I was traveling through Philadelphia in a car with a salesman of a company I was visiting. The discussion got around to hunting, and he said he had 19 firearms in his home. When I asked him why he needed so many, it was in case the Commies invade. He was quite serious.

You have oceans east and west of you. You have friendly neighbors north and south of you, although Trump is doing his best to screw that up. The probability of you being invaded by any military force is vanishingly small. Which makes your paranoia even more absurd.

Back on topic, renewables are the cheapest form of energy around. Oil is getting more expensive because the low-hanging fruit of conventional wells is almost gone. Countries who can get to 100% renewable will have economic advantage over those still dependent on oil.

China has over 50,000 km of high speed rail. America has just 735 km. Guess who leads the world for installation of solar and wind power?

See where I am going with this?

Cool stories bro, tell us the one about the Chicago shoe-shiner confiding in you how racist everyone in the US is, that was a hoot as well!

Yeah, we see where you're going, you hate the US

2 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

I can only relate my evidence of why I think Americans are paranoid. And I have been to America many times.

The first is my former father in law (RIP) who was a commando in WWII. He said Australian soldiers hated being billeted next to American troops, because they were trigger-happy idiots. The accidental discharge of a firearm in the American camp was enough to have US troops start firing at random.

Of course, there is the McCarthy era. Reds under every bed.

I was traveling through Philadelphia in a car with a salesman of a company I was visiting. The discussion got around to hunting, and he said he had 19 firearms in his home. When I asked him why he needed so many, it was in case the Commies invade. He was quite serious.

You have oceans east and west of you. You have friendly neighbors north and south of you, although Trump is doing his best to screw that up. The probability of you being invaded by any military force is vanishingly small. Which makes your paranoia even more absurd.

Back on topic, renewables are the cheapest form of energy around. Oil is getting more expensive because the low-hanging fruit of conventional wells is almost gone. Countries who can get to 100% renewable will have economic advantage over those still dependent on oil.

China has over 50,000 km of high speed rail. America has just 735 km. Guess who leads the world for installation of solar and wind power?

See where I am going with this?

Most of the soldiers that went to war were very young, and many never fired a gun, especially against another human. This is why so many die in wars. Unless you're there, up against a force that is told to kill or die, you have no idea what it does to their minds. Horror stories about what happened to prisoners, especially regarding the Japanese, had them more worried.

No one knows what it's like to be fired upon until they do, and again, these weren't mostly veterans but kids just out of high school and early 20's.

Being told about the Communists had a lot worried back then I'm sure. Americans have been in many wars since, and it starts to make you numb hearing about it, especially if you aren't involved. Those that still go to wars are of course affected negatively, and you can't blame them.

Hearing one side also doesn't take into account how those Americas saw the Australian soldiers.

I've known many, many hunters in my life, most of whom had multiple guns, one for each type of hunting, just as I did. 19 is a collector, and there are many of them because guns are a work of art also, besides being used to hunt. Some of course were a little paranoid back then about Commies, but it wasn't as many as you think.

Again, we aren't paranoid as most Americans are fully aware of the firepower America has, and we also know a nuclear war isn't likely to happen. Every country has it's share of paranoid people, but I've never heard of any personally, or met any myself. I sold guns for years, and most of the talk was about guns, hunting and fishing. Cops, border patrol agents, and the rest of the Americans who buy guns were there everyday. I lived there 62 years and go back yearly, and will soon return permanently, and it's a lot different than many here think about it. Visiting isn't the same as interacting with families.

China and Japan are well versed into technology, the same as the US is in many ways, and always have been innovators along with us. Eventually everyone sees what works. The same can be seen for Thailand, which has gone from a very undeveloped nation eventually to getting more things right, although it's taking a lot of time to catch up to some things the west does. Thai's military force has most of it's things from the US, China, Singapore, South Korea and Sweden, and most of what you see here is from the west in some way.The younger generation is the one to change things here, if they're allowed to.

20 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Most of the soldiers that went to war were very young, and many never fired a gun, especially against another human. This is why so many die in wars. Unless you're there, up against a force that is told to kill or die, you have no idea what it does to their minds. Horror stories about what happened to prisoners, especially regarding the Japanese, had them more worried.

No one knows what it's like to be fired upon until they do, and again, these weren't mostly veterans but kids just out of high school and early 20's.

Being told about the Communists had a lot worried back then I'm sure. Americans have been in many wars since, and it starts to make you numb hearing about it, especially if you aren't involved. Those that still go to wars are of course affected negatively, and you can't blame them.

Hearing one side also doesn't take into account how those Americas saw the Australian soldiers.

I've known many, many hunters in my life, most of whom had multiple guns, one for each type of hunting, just as I did. 19 is a collector, and there are many of them because guns are a work of art also, besides being used to hunt. Some of course were a little paranoid back then about Commies, but it wasn't as many as you think.

Again, we aren't paranoid as most Americans are fully aware of the firepower America has, and we also know a nuclear war isn't likely to happen. Every country has it's share of paranoid people, but I've never heard of any personally, or met any myself. I sold guns for years, and most of the talk was about guns, hunting and fishing. Cops, border patrol agents, and the rest of the Americans who buy guns were there everyday. I lived there 62 years and go back yearly, and will soon return permanently, and it's a lot different than many here think about it. Visiting isn't the same as interacting with families.

China and Japan are well versed into technology, the same as the US is in many ways, and always have been innovators along with us. Eventually everyone sees what works. The same can be seen for Thailand, which has gone from a very undeveloped nation eventually to getting more things right, although it's taking a lot of time to catch up to some things the west does. Thai's military force has most of it's things from the US, China, Singapore, South Korea and Sweden, and most of what you see here is from the west in some way.The younger generation is the one to change things here, if they're allowed to.

And back then, they still had men in Australia

55 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Hearing one side also doesn't take into account how those Americas saw the Australian soldiers.

Of course, you are in an entirely different gun culture. To the average Australian, 19 guns in a home is plain ridiculous. How many enemies do you think you have? You think an elephant is going to try to break in?

IIRC both British and American commanders regarded Australian soldiers quite highly, if lacking in formal discipline.

When the Australian Army led a UN peace-keeping force in East Timor, the Indonesian army learned quite quickly not to mess with them. IMO that stacks up pretty well against Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan.