6 minutes ago, ballpoint said:

Don't worry. Trump's got his best people looking for the mines.

Looking at the mines? That's about all they can do.

8 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Considering CN only uses 16% of oil produced, and IR doesn't even make the top 5 exporters to, I don't think anyone would miss IR's oil exports, except IR.

Y'all keep spinning

You think that'show it works? When a market is already tapped out by demand and a source goes off line? The demand for oil in the short and medium run is pretty much inelastic. In a market where demand is strong and even a small amount of supply is lost, prices rise out of proportion.

8 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

You think that'show it works? When a market is already tapped out by demand and a source goes off line? The demand for oil in the short and medium run is pretty much inelastic. In a market where demand is strong and even a small amount of supply is lost, prices rise out of proportion.

Market is tapped out ... that's funny. supply is controlled to keep the price high. What happened during covid, less demand, less production, higher prices.

They can produce as much as the want, they simply choose not to. Called controlling the market & price control.

Remember the 70's, when the world was running out of oil, and the refineries were full up, and tankers Q'ing to offload, but you were told & believed there was a shortage as you Q'd up to fill up.

Didn't learn anything then, and now, your're still believing the BS

On 3/15/2026 at 4:02 AM, Roadsternut said:

The request would be for minesweepers. The US have 4 Avenger class minesweepers left; the Patriot, Pioneer, Warrior and Chief. All currently based in Japan, and intended for scrapping in 2027. The Devastator, Sentry, Gladiator and Dextrous were previously in the Gulf, but were decomissioned September last year, and all have arrived at Philadelphia for scrapping.

The Royal Navy has 8 minesweepers in service, plus 7 Arcimus autonomous Minesweepers and 3 Thales autonomous minesweepers.

HMS Middleton was the last Hunt class deployed in the Gulf, and was withdrawn at the request of the GCC in January 2026. Middleton is no longer seaworthy, like the 4 Avenger boats, and was also transported by heavy lift, and then towed into Plymouth. Its not going to be scrapped but will undergo a refit.

Ledbury is involved in sea trials of new systems. Bangor is guarding the nukes. Only Cattistock I think is available for deployment. The others are either undergoing refits, or, in the case of Chiddingfold, being used as a source of spare parts.

Could not have picked a better time to invade...

3 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Market is tapped out ... that's funny. supply is controlled to keep the price high. What happened during covid, less demand, less production, higher prices.

They can produce as much as the want, they simply choose not to. Called controlling the market & price control.

Remember the 70's, when the world was running out of oil, and the refineries were full up, and tankers Q'ing to offload, but you were told & believed there was a shortage as you Q'd up to fill up.

Didn't learn anything then, and now, your're still believing the BS

Impressive response. A claim of conspiracy backed by only your word. You should publish that in the Journal of Because I Say So.

Let me show you an alternative way to disagree:

The Myth of the Oil Glut Is Dead

The Strait of Hormuz disruption has shattered the long-held belief in a global oil glut, revealing that the market was actually running with very thin spare capacity and fragile supply chains.

Even a record 400 million-barrel strategic reserve release failed to push prices down significantly.

Years of underinvestment in oil projects, limits to U.S. shale growth, and geopolitical risks mean markets could stay tight.

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/The-Myth-of-the-Oil-Glut-Is-Dead.html

3 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Impressive response. A claim of conspiracy backed by only your word. You should publish that in the Journal of Because I Say So.

Let me show you an alternative way to disagree:

The Myth of the Oil Glut Is Dead

The Strait of Hormuz disruption has shattered the long-held belief in a global oil glut, revealing that the market was actually running with very thin spare capacity and fragile supply chains.

Even a record 400 million-barrel strategic reserve release failed to push prices down significantly.

Years of underinvestment in oil projects, limits to U.S. shale growth, and geopolitical risks mean markets could stay tight.

https://oilprice.com/Energy/Crude-Oil/The-Myth-of-the-Oil-Glut-Is-Dead.html

Great info of yours, and from a non bias source

I deal with facts, keep spinning.

Just now, KhunLA said:

Great info of yours, and from a non bias source

I deal with facts, keep spinning.

Facts that we have to take your word for. And how could anyone ever doubt the assertions of an anonymous poster in this venue?

As for oilprice.com it actually is an excellent source for coverage not only of the oil industry, but of renewables as well, It consistently posts articles pointing out the increasing economic threat to the fossil fuel industry posed by renewables.

And there's this:

"OilPrice.com is rated Least Biased due to its consistent adherence to factual, balanced, and technical reporting across the global energy sector. The publication demonstrates High factual reporting, supported by transparent ownership, reliable sourcing, and a clean fact-check record."

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/oil-price/

You've got nothing.

3 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Facts that we have to take your word for. And how could anyone ever doubt the assertions of an anonymous poster in this venue?

As for oilprice.com it actually is an excellent source for coverage not only of the oil industry, but of renewables as well, It consistently posts articles pointing out the increasing economic threat to the fossil fuel industry posed by renewables.

And there's this:

"OilPrice.com is rated Least Biased due to its consistent adherence to factual, balanced, and technical reporting across the global energy sector. The publication demonstrates High factual reporting, supported by transparent ownership, reliable sourcing, and a clean fact-check record."

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/oil-price/

You've got nothing.

Everything I state is fact. If I don't know from personal experience, I usually google & verify before I post.

Have a nice day. Sun is out, done with internet today and especially the Trump forum. Time for brekkie & morning walk. Enjoy spinning about things you have no control over.

Iran’s oil sales soar past pre-war levels

According to Kpler, since the outbreak of the US-Israeli war against Iran on February 28, nine tankers have loaded Iranian oil and departed the Persian Gulf, mostly heading towards China, which has been identified by tracking firms as the main buyer of Iranian barrels over the past few years.

Data indicate that tankers have been loading an average of 2.1mn barrels of Iranian crude oil per day, exceeding Iran’s daily exports of 2mn barrels in early February and before the conflict began

https://www.intellinews.com/iran-s-oil-sales-soar-past-pre-war-levels-431163/

Unlikely that China will be sending any ships

......and this isn't enough?

---

🇺🇸 U.S. Navy – Main Ship Classes & Numbers (Active Fleet)

🛫 Aircraft Carriers (11 total)

Class	Number	Notes
Nimitz‑class (CVN‑68)	10	Nuclear‑powered; backbone of the fleet
Ford‑class (CVN‑78)	1	Newest generation; more efficient launch systems

grokipedia.com

---

⚔️ Cruisers (Ticonderoga‑class)

Class	Number	Notes
Ticonderoga‑class (CG‑47)	~17 (rapidly retiring)	Aegis cruisers; air‑defence command ships

Note: These are being phased out and replaced by upgraded destroyers.

---

🚀 Destroyers (Arleigh Burke & Zumwalt)

Class	Number	Notes
Arleigh Burke‑class (DDG‑51)	~73	Primary surface combatant; multiple variants (Flight I–III)
Zumwalt‑class (DDG‑1000)	3	Stealth destroyers; limited production

---

🌊 Frigates

Class	Number	Notes
Constellation‑class (FFG‑62)	0 active yet	First ships under construction; future backbone frigate

---

⚓ Littoral Combat Ships (LCS)

Class	Number	Notes
Freedom‑class (LCS‑1)	~10	Some being retired early
Independence‑class (LCS‑2)	~12	Trimaran design; also facing retirements

---

🛥️ Amphibious Assault Ships (Big‑Deck ‘Mini Carriers’)

Class	Number	Notes
Wasp‑class (LHD‑1)	7	Helicopter & Marine assault ships
America‑class (LHA‑6)	2 active (more building)	F‑35B capable; no well deck on first two ships

---

🛳️ Amphibious Transport Docks

Class	Number	Notes
San Antonio‑class (LPD‑17)	~13	Marine transport & landing operations

---

🛡️ Submarines

Ballistic Missile Submarines (SSBN) – Nuclear Deterrent

Class	Number	Notes
Ohio‑class (SSBN‑726)	14	Backbone of U.S. nuclear deterrence

Attack Submarines (SSN)

Class	Number	Notes
Virginia‑class (SSN‑774)	~22	Newest, most advanced attack subs
Los Angeles‑class (SSN‑688)	~28	Being gradually retired
Seawolf‑class (SSN‑21)	3	Extremely capable but rare

Guided Missile Submarines (SSGN)

Class	Number	Notes
Ohio‑class SSGN	4	Converted to carry 154 Tomahawk missiles each

---

🛠️ Support & Logistics Ships

(Not part of the “battle force” count but essential)

Includes:

• Replenishment oilers

• Fast combat support ships

• Dry cargo ships

• Hospital ships (2: USNS Mercy & USNS Comfort)

---

📌 Total U.S. Navy Battle Force Ships

≈ 287 active ships as of 2026. grokipedia.com

---

From strutting around like a pink cock of the walk, the Donald has turned to begging and pleading for help. You get what you deserve.

14 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Everything I state is fact. If I don't know from personal experience, I usually google & verify before I post.

Then I'm sure you can post link to your facts in stead of just saying your posting facts.

32 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Everything I state is fact. If I don't know from personal experience, I usually google & verify before I post.

Have a nice day. Sun is out, done with internet today and especially the Trump forum. Time for brekkie & morning walk. Enjoy spinning about things you have no control over.

And yet you fail to share those links with the rest of us? It is to laugh.

25 minutes ago, MIke B Bad said:

......and this isn't enough?

---

🇺🇸 U.S. Navy – Main Ship Classes & Numbers (Active Fleet)

🛫 Aircraft Carriers (11 total)

Class	Number	Notes
Nimitz‑class (CVN‑68)	10	Nuclear‑powered; backbone of the fleet
Ford‑class (CVN‑78)	1	Newest generation; more efficient launch systems

grokipedia.com

---

⚔️ Cruisers (Ticonderoga‑class)

Class	Number	Notes
Ticonderoga‑class (CG‑47)	~17 (rapidly retiring)	Aegis cruisers; air‑defence command ships

Note: These are being phased out and replaced by upgraded destroyers.

---

🚀 Destroyers (Arleigh Burke & Zumwalt)

Class	Number	Notes
Arleigh Burke‑class (DDG‑51)	~73	Primary surface combatant; multiple variants (Flight I–III)
Zumwalt‑class (DDG‑1000)	3	Stealth destroyers; limited production

---

🌊 Frigates

Class	Number	Notes
Constellation‑class (FFG‑62)	0 active yet	First ships under construction; future backbone frigate

---

⚓ Littoral Combat Ships (LCS)

Class	Number	Notes
Freedom‑class (LCS‑1)	~10	Some being retired early
Independence‑class (LCS‑2)	~12	Trimaran design; also facing retirements

---

🛥️ Amphibious Assault Ships (Big‑Deck ‘Mini Carriers’)

Class	Number	Notes
Wasp‑class (LHD‑1)	7	Helicopter & Marine assault ships
America‑class (LHA‑6)	2 active (more building)	F‑35B capable; no well deck on first two ships

---

🛳️ Amphibious Transport Docks

Class	Number	Notes
San Antonio‑class (LPD‑17)	~13	Marine transport & landing operations

---

🛡️ Submarines

Ballistic Missile Submarines (SSBN) – Nuclear Deterrent

Class	Number	Notes
Ohio‑class (SSBN‑726)	14	Backbone of U.S. nuclear deterrence

Attack Submarines (SSN)

Class	Number	Notes
Virginia‑class (SSN‑774)	~22	Newest, most advanced attack subs
Los Angeles‑class (SSN‑688)	~28	Being gradually retired
Seawolf‑class (SSN‑21)	3	Extremely capable but rare

Guided Missile Submarines (SSGN)

Class	Number	Notes
Ohio‑class SSGN	4	Converted to carry 154 Tomahawk missiles each

---

🛠️ Support & Logistics Ships

(Not part of the “battle force” count but essential)

Includes:

• Replenishment oilers

• Fast combat support ships

• Dry cargo ships

• Hospital ships (2: USNS Mercy & USNS Comfort)

---

📌 Total U.S. Navy Battle Force Ships

≈ 287 active ships as of 2026. grokipedia.com

---

But how many of these ships are available for this particular conflict?

On 3/15/2026 at 10:25 AM, Patong2021 said:

Iran also said it was allies and friends with region and has bombarded Qatar and Oman its "best" friends in Gulf.

I was under the impression they bombed US military bases, but I take your word they bombed Qatari and Omani civilians

He wants NATO to pledge to open the Straits. This should be entertaining.

10 minutes ago, Purdey said:

I was under the impression they bombed US military bases, but I take your word they bombed Qatari and Omani civilians

Iran doesn't care who or what they target as long as they inflict damage. More like a terror campaign, just like Putin's M.O.

35 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

And yet you fail to share those links with the rest of us? It is to laugh.

56 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Then I'm sure you can post link to your facts in stead of just saying your posting facts.

You 2 are joking right ??? Because if I don't post an AI screenshot or a link to what I post, it gets deleted. I know Alan, and most others don't even read the links or AI that I post, or they wouldn't keep repeating the same silly query.

38 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

But how many of these ships are available for this particular conflict?

≈ 287 active ships as of 2026.

47 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

But how many of these ships are available for this particular conflict?

They have a few there, with another CSG arriving shortly. From AI ...

(Bloomberg) -- US President Donald Trump said he is “demanding” that other countries contribute to the defense of the Strait of Hormuz as it remains effectively closed to oil tankers.

Trump said the US is in talks with “about seven” countries to get involved helping ships pass through the strait, declining to specify which nations are involved in the discussions.

In an interview earlier Sunday with the Financial Times, Trump said he could delay his planned summit with Chinese President Xi Jinping if Beijing doesn’t help unblock the strait. He also warned in that interview that NATO would face a “very bad” future if member states fail to help in Hormuz.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-demands-help-other-countries-001639208.html

From the Desk of The Greatest President...nay Leader...the World has Ever Seen

Dear Former Allies,

You will send your treasure and your sons and daughters to die for what I believe in.

Thank you for your attention to this matter.

DJT

42 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

You 2 are joking right ??? Because if I don't post an AI screenshot or a link to what I post, it gets deleted. I know Alan, and most others don't even read the links or AI that I post, or they wouldn't keep repeating the same silly query.

Well, whatever that image you've attached is meant to be, it was a pointless effort since it's unreadable. And claiming that you don't post links because somehow you know that I and others don't follow them is just bizarre.

14 minutes ago, CallumWK said:

(Bloomberg) -- US President Donald Trump said he is “demanding” that other countries contribute to the defense of the Strait of Hormuz as it remains effectively closed to oil tankers.

Trump said the US is in talks with “about seven” countries to get involved helping ships pass through the strait, declining to specify which nations are involved in the discussions.

In an interview earlier Sunday with the Financial Times, Trump said he could delay his planned summit with Chinese President Xi Jinping if Beijing doesn’t help unblock the strait. He also warned in that interview that NATO would face a “very bad” future if member states fail to help in Hormuz.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/trump-demands-help-other-countries-001639208.html

After these countries tell Trump to stick it he will blame them for the catastrophe he created. Same goes for anyone in his administration who follows his orders. He cans them when things go wrong even though they did exactly as he commanded.

13 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Well, whatever that image you've attached is meant to be, it was a pointless effort since it's unreadable. And claiming that you don't post links because somehow you know that I and others don't follow them is just bizarre.

And I thought I was the only one that couldn't make heads or tails of the image he posted.

On 3/15/2026 at 10:11 AM, KhunLA said:

@Palatus

Since most of Iran's sea shipped oil leaves via Khang Island, then that a good bargaining chip for Iran to let non IR ships through the straits.

He already showed how venerable it is and can knock it out at any time.

Thank you for using Gemini and not that scam outfit, OpenAI.

Iran does have a pipeline that can export 1MM BPD at capacity.

China would not be happy if the oil tanks and facilities on the island were hit.

But then, if these were destroyed, the facilities in other Gulf States would be destroyed, in a tit for tat move by Iran.

Personally, I think this might be good for the world.

Why: This would bring to the world's attention that rogue states such as Israel must be dismantled, or not supported, since they are not accountable for their actions.

The very destruction of the oil facilities will be the result of a very clear cause and effect relationship between:

a. Israel attacks on Iran. Israel and then the USA attacked first.

b. This led to escalation.

c. This escalation led to destruction of oil facilities in various countries in the ME.

d. Further escalation led to destruction of desalination plants in various countries.

e. Israel, will then use the Samson Option, and attempt to destroy Iran, completely, which is its main goal.

f. But, in doing so, Israel will completely and utterly destroy itself.

5 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

With the idiot in charge calling the shots bringing in more firepower is not going to make a difference.

Beats running out of armaments. IR can't be taken lightly, as they've been at terror for decades, and quite good at it. If billions spent save US servicepersons lives, so be it. One less pine box works for me, not that we, USA military should even be there.

I'd rather provide Israel & Iran with a couple nukes each, and let them use them on each other, since they both preach the some, our way or no way. Kill the infidels.

https://aseannow.com/topic/1325294-politics-pc-un-pc-any-subject-satire-via-meme-or-vid-shorts/page/64/#findComment-20420837

7 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

How can you not realize what they are, AI screenshots. From my 'attachments' page.

Yea, that's how many facts / AI screenshots I post, and only since Friday, not include all from Friday.

As stated, if no backing facts (AI) or links, my post are consistently deleted. That they aren't, means the mods that follow me, agree with me, or at least the info I post with verifying info to back it up.

I thought you said you were going away for the rest of the day. What happened? You're still here.

2 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

Thank you for using Gemini and not that scam outfit, OpenAI.

Iran does have a pipeline that can export 1MM BPD at capacity.

China would not be happy if the oil tanks and facilities on the island were hit.

But then, if these were destroyed, the facilities in other Gulf States would be destroyed, in a tit for tat move by Iran.

Personally, I think this might be good for the world.

Why: This would bring to the world's attention that rogue states such as Israel must be dismantled, or not supported, since they are not accountable for their actions.

The very destruction of the oil facilities will be the result of a very clear cause and effect relationship between:

a. Israel attacks on Iran. Israel and then the USA attacked first.

b. This led to escalation.

c. This escalation led to destruction of oil facilities in various countries in the ME.

d. Further escalation led to destruction of desalination plants in various countries.

e. Israel, will then use the Samson Option, and attempt to destroy Iran, completely, which is its main goal.

f. But, in doing so, Israel will completely and utterly destroy itself.

Is that what Google / Chrome uses (Gemini) as I haven't got a clue. I know some of the AI sources are a bit questionable, especially if a political query, as they link wiki quite a bit, and that is definitely left bias for politics.

1 minute ago, KhunLA said:

Is that what Google / Chrome uses (Gemini) as I haven't got a clue. I know some of the AI sources are a bit questionable, especially if a political query, as they link wiki quite a bit, and that is definitely left bias for politics.

Do you see that little blue star above-left in the image you posted?

That is Gemini. That is the Gemini AI talking.

Congratulations for using it, even though you had no clue you were using it.

I guess you must be one of those who are just lucky in life.