Dear Folks, 

Do you feel sorry for the US Navy Officers Commander Leigh R Tate and Executive Officer Jeffrey E York of the USS Spruance?

Recently, it seems that these two officers have been “outed” by various embassies and news services for being in command of the vessel which fired three missiles at a school, ending the lives of about 170 school girls. Can this be true?

Of course, this cannot be good news for the two officers.

Are they not also casualties of the Israeli-American decision to bomb Iran, even when it was not in the interest of America to do so, from the beginning?  And, what is good for Bibi is seldom best for Israel, as well.

How would you be feeling, right about now, if you were Commander Tate?

As commander of a US Navy vessel, all responsibility resides with the captain.

Remember Wouk’s novel about the vessel, “The Caine”?

So then, who is responsible for the bombing of girls’ schools, really?

It is no-longer so simple to be a US Naval Captain.

Best regards,

Gamma

Note: I really feel so sorry for Tate, because....

He seems like such a happy person....

There is little chance that the ship's officers had any responsibility for "picking the targets" that they were ordered to fire at!

That decision would have been made elsewhere and the coordinates fed into the missiles externally!

What are the odds iran staged the school with corpses, pretty good I think.

Know why there are no wallmarts in iran ?
Cause its full of targets !

On 04 March, Press Sec. Ms. Karoline Leavitt said re: the Minab school bombing:

The U.S. does not target civilians, unlike the rogue Iranian regime.

31 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

There is little chance that the ship's officers had any responsibility for "picking the targets" that they were ordered to fire at!

That decision would have been made elsewhere and the coordinates fed into the missiles externally!

Yes.

This is obvious.

Yet, neither pilot nor co-pilot of the Ebola Gay chose their target, either.

12 minutes ago, JerryM said:

On 04 March, Press Sec. Ms. Karoline Leavitt said re: the Minab school bombing:

The U.S. does not target civilians, unlike the rogue Iranian regime.

Maybe....

But, the point is that...

They do not NOT target civilians, either.

3 hours ago, GammaGlobulin said:

Do you feel sorry for the US Navy Officers Commander Leigh R Tate and Executive Officer Jeffrey E York of the USS Spruance?

No. They should be in front of an ICC court in the Hague.

20 minutes ago, connda said:

No. They should be in front of an ICC court in the Hague.

Wait and see.

1 hour ago, GammaGlobulin said:

Maybe....

But, the point is that...

I didn't realize she had a point.

2 hours ago, GammaGlobulin said:

Yes.

This is obvious.

Yet, neither pilot nor co-pilot of the Ebola Gay chose their target, either.

As you agree I have to askm

1 hour ago, connda said:

No. They should be in front of an ICC court in the Hague.

No it should be the people who directed the targetting of the missiles that should be charged if applicable!

11 minutes ago, JerryM said:

I didn't realize she had a point.

Unlike the GammaGlob who never has one that makes sense!

2 hours ago, GammaGlobulin said:

Yes.

This is obvious.

Yet, neither pilot nor co-pilot of the Ebola Gay chose their target, either.

*Enola

17 minutes ago, chickenslegs said:

*Enola

You say Enola.

And I say, Ebola.

It’s always interesting how you consistently manage to take something that would normally demand real facts and careful sourcing of valid information and turn it into a kind of free-form thought experiment built on “can this be true” and “how would you feel if you were Commander Tate.”

You move from a claim about missiles hitting a school, to sympathy for a naval officer, to a reference to The Caine Mutiny, all without ever establishing what actually happened in the first place. But never mind the facts, right?

One almost gets the sense the real topic isn’t the event at all, but the act of speculating about it from every possible angle without needing anything solid to anchor it.

By the end, it’s less about understanding reality and more about watching a narrative assemble itself out of assumption, hearsay, conspiracy, emotion, confusion, delusion, adrenaline, magic mushrooms, and whatever happens to come to mind next.

40 minutes ago, Alpha84 said:

It’s always interesting how you consistently manage to take something that would normally demand real facts and careful sourcing of valid information and turn it into a kind of free-form thought experiment built on “can this be true” and “how would you feel if you were Commander Tate.”

You move from a claim about missiles hitting a school, to sympathy for a naval officer, to a reference to The Caine Mutiny, all without ever establishing what actually happened in the first place. But never mind the facts, right?

One almost gets the sense the real topic isn’t the event at all, but the act of speculating about it from every possible angle without needing anything solid to anchor it.

By the end, it’s less about understanding reality and more about watching a narrative assemble itself out of assumption, hearsay, conspiracy, emotion, confusion, delusion, adrenaline, magic mushrooms, and whatever happens to come to mind next.

Thank you.

When I was in my teens, I read a LOT of William James.

I read James in my formative years.

I say thank you, to you, for "picking up" on this.

I like to think that I have become almost a peer of James, analytically speaking, of course.

Also, I have read ALL of the Wouk books, too.

NOTE: I will let you in on a secret of mine, too.....

When I was much younger, I even DRESSED LIKE James.

I still stand in awe of his greatness, and he was great.

36 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

Thank you.

When I was in my teens, I read a LOT of William James.

I read James in my formative years.

I say thank you, to you, for "picking up" on this.

I like to think that I have become almost a peer of James, analytically speaking, of course.

Also, I have read ALL of the Wouk books, too.

NOTE: I will let you in on a secret of mine, too.....

When I was much younger, I even DRESSED LIKE James.

I still stand in awe of his greatness, and he was great.

It’s quite revealing how every one of your threads eventually circles back to placing yourself somewhere in the orbit of people like William James, Herman Wouk, or whichever figure happens to be next in your world of random associations, where one person or topic connects to another based on a single word, or even just a few letters taken out of context.

Most people read widely and come away with questions or perspective, but you seem to come away with a sense of proximity and a couple of historical photos from Wikimedia Commons, as if admiration for old public domain images gradually becomes equivalence. There’s a curious leap from “I read James in my teens” to “I am almost his peer,” and it says far more about the process of confused self-interpretation than it does about James. At some point it stops being about the thinkers themselves and becomes more about the imaginary role you’ve assigned yourself in relation to any of them. Probably the only thing you truly have in common with these people is that you share the same basic human bodily functions in the bog, and even that feels like a stretch.

19 minutes ago, Alpha84 said:

It’s quite revealing how every one of your threads eventually circles back to placing yourself somewhere in the orbit of people like William James, Herman Wouk, or whichever figure happens to be next in your world of random associations, where one person or topic connects to another based on a single word, or even just a few letters taken out of context.

Most people read widely and come away with questions or perspective, but you seem to come away with a sense of proximity and a couple of historical photos from Wikimedia Commons, as if admiration for old public domain images gradually becomes equivalence. There’s a curious leap from “I read James in my teens” to “I am almost his peer,” and it says far more about the process of confused self-interpretation than it does about James. At some point it stops being about the thinkers themselves and becomes more about the imaginary role you’ve assigned yourself in relation to any of them. Probably the only thing you truly have in common with these people is that you share the same basic human bodily functions in the bog, and even that feels like a stretch.

Well, I guess you got me pegged...absolutely, for sure.

Still, fortunately, after about seven decades, I am still able to live with myself.

Not sure why, of course.

4 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

Still, fortunately, after about seven decades, I am still able to live with myself.

Probably because nobody else could given your pomposity!

15 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

Probably because nobody else could given your pomposity!

Yes, well, let me speak to your statement, if I may:

I am not sure whether or not you have come up against, or been directly in contact with, individuals of superior intellect.

However, I can tell you that, even though I am actually NOT insufferable, yet most people (about 99.8 percent of the population) mistakenly label me as being...

INSUFFERABLE.

In Truth: I am not insufferable. I just lose patience with people that are unable to see, at a glance, what I see so clearly.

This, as you say, might come across as POMPOSITY, but this POMPOSITY is not a fault of mine, nor is my POMPOSITY intended to cause friction here on TV.

NOTE: Also, please have a bit of compassion for me, because....

Just think how very boring and tedious it is for me to try to explain the obvious, when the obvious needs no explaining.

It is sort of like LOVE: Clarity of Thought requires no explaining. It is like the Gestalt AHA Experience. Either you get it in a second, or you never will.

There is no beating around the BUSH.

You either GET IT, within a FRACTION OF A SECOND, or then...

No amount of explaining can ever make it clear to some readers.

Very sorry about this.

But, this is just Nature at work, I guess.

I wish it were not so.

I wish everyone were on the same intellectual level.

21 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

Yes, well, let me speak to your statement, if I may:

I am not sure whether or not you have come up against, or been directly in contact with, individuals of superior intellect.

However, I can tell you that, even though I am actually NOT insufferable, yet most people (about 99.8 percent of the population) mistakenly label me as being...

INSUFFERABLE.

In Truth: I am not insufferable. I just lose patience with people that are unable to see, at a glance, what I see so clearly.

This, as you say, might come across as POMPOSITY, but this POMPOSITY is not a fault of mine, nor is my POMPOSITY intended to cause friction here on TV.

NOTE: Also, please have a bit of compassion for me, because....

Just think how very boring and tedious it is for me to try to explain the obvious, when the obvious needs no explaining.

It is sort of like LOVE: Clarity of Thought requires no explaining. It is like the Gestalt AHA Experience. Either you get it in a second, or you never will.

There is no beating around the BUSH.

You either GET IT, within a FRACTION OF A SECOND, or then...

No amount of explaining can ever make it clear to some readers.

Very sorry about this.

But, this is just Nature at work, I guess.

I wish it were not so.

I wish everyone were on the same intellectual level.

It’s curious to hear you describe your thinking as something instantly clear and obvious, the enlightened one, because what you actually produce tends to be the opposite, long, rambling, disjointed posts filled with links, images, and loosely connected ideas that never quite resolve into anything coherent. If something were truly as self evident as you suggest, it would not require that kind of sprawling presentation to get across to others. Instead, it often reads less like clarity and showing everyone the light and more like mixing latex paint with oil, water, turpentine, paint thinner, then lighting a match, while hoping something meaningful might emerge from the unstable reaction. At that point, it becomes difficult to tell whether the issue is that others cannot see what you see, or that there was never a clear picture there to begin with. It is like staring down an empty well for hours looking for your missing cat who is clearly not in there. You cannot suddenly make something appear that was never there to begin with.

41 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

Probably because nobody else could given your pomposity!

So, if you REALLY do not understand the meaning of this Topic:

a. Two fine US Naval Officers, probably full of humanity in their own right, signed up to serve their country.

b. Then, they were ordered to sail their vessel into troubled waters, to carry out their orders, as they had been trained.

c. Due to circumstances totally beyond their control, the war they were sent to was unwarranted and unjust.

d. As you say, they probably had no information concerning the targets their weapons were dialed into.

e. They pushed a button, trusting their Fearless Leader. But, trust is not the right word. They had no choice. They were ordered to push the button which sent the Tomahawk to its final landing point.

f. The result was: The button they pushed sent three missiles that ended the lives of 170 young school girls.

g. Therefore: How can we NOT feel sorry for these officers?

Now, do you understand the tragedy of serving under corrupt leadership?

And, exactly, how do you think these fine US Naval Officers might feel now???

i FEEL SORRY FOR THEM.

We have read what happened to the pilot of the Ebola Gay, for example.

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Such a great tragedy, all around.

2 minutes ago, Alpha84 said:

It’s curious to hear you describe your thinking as something instantly clear and obvious,

I welcome your curiosity.

Curiosity is a precursor for a deeper understanding of Nature, meaning reality and also human behavior.

KUDOS to you.

2 hours ago, Alpha84 said:

By the end, it’s less about understanding reality and more about watching a narrative assemble itself out of assumption, hearsay, conspiracy, emotion, confusion, delusion, adrenaline, magic mushrooms, and whatever happens to come to mind next.

Are you replying to Gamma? That last paragraph describing him is why his posts get traction. Like looking at an oil painting and deriving meaning. Just have some fun.

5 hours ago, connda said:

No. They should be in front of an ICC court in the Hague.

They never will be, screech as you might

4 hours ago, GammaGlobulin said:

Wait and see.

You really do live in your own reality, who is going to put them there?

15 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

We have read what happened to the pilot of the Ebola Gay, for example.

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Such a great tragedy, all around.

The pilot lived to 92 and became a General. Had 3 son and one of them also became a general. He was active in aviation until he died. He had a good life?

5 hours ago, connda said:

No. They should be in front of an ICC court in the Hague.

5 hours ago, GammaGlobulin said:

Wait and see.

Some pilot dropped a fragmentation missile on an Iranian school killing the schools volleyball team. It sounds like 20 schools have been hit. Then the University of Tehran was hit. Now all US universities in the region are targets.

11 minutes ago, atpeace said:

Are you replying to Gamma? That last paragraph describing him is why his posts get traction. Like looking at an oil painting and deriving meaning. Just have some fun.

This IS the Farang Pub...is it not?

THIS is one of my favorites...by the way....

6 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

This IS the Farang Pub...is it not?

THIS is one of my favorites...by the way....

It most definitely is - cheers!

11 minutes ago, atpeace said:

The pilot lived to 92 and became a General. Had 3 son and one of them also became a general. He was active in aviation until he died. He had a good life?

And so....

By outward appearances, you fully understand what he might have been feeling, every day of his life, after Dropping the Big One?

2 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

And so....

By outward appearances, you fully understand what he might have been feeling, every day of his life, after Dropping the Big One?

I have no understanding to be honest. Huge event but not sure how it impacted him. He might have truly felt he saved American life's and was a hero. Not sure and it was a different world 75 years ago.