The Nation posted a article villainizing ICE as Maga Murder Inc, with ICE kills.

While The Nation’s "MAGA Murder Inc" article declares "ICE kills again" and portrays aggressive immigration enforcement as state violence, the human cost on the other side includes victims of serious crimes by noncitizens who entered or stayed illegally.

ICE data shows over 600k noncitizens with criminal histories on its non detained docket, including around 13K convicted of homicide over the years, each representing American victims and families devastated by preventable violence.

International & domestic leftists, anarchist and especially the Antifa aligned often side against enforcement, protesting deportations and targeted enforcement ops while downplaying or excusing crimes by illegal immigrants as symptoms of systemic issues.

This selective outrage contrasts sharply with the scale of American lives lost to repeat offenders who should have been removed. Every murder enabled by lax immigration policy demands the same scrutiny as enforcement incidents.

That being said please shed a tear for the thousands of innocent American victims and their families, left to grieve in silence over the years . Shame isn't it, No riots or protests for the 13k.

https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/maga-murder-inc/

https://www.foxnews.com/video/6362556076112

Edited July 10Jul 10 by riclag

Verdict: Racist Garbage

The “13,000 immigrant murderers” claim is misleading because it cherry-picks a vague, cumulative number (people with homicide convictions across many years and administrations, some already imprisoned or deported) and presents it as if it reflects a current threat or a rate.

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� By contrast, if you applied the same logic to U.S.-born citizens—totaling all homicides committed by Americans over an unspecified time period—you would get a vastly larger number, yet no one presents that cumulative figure as evidence that “Americans are inherently dangerous.”

The OP is posting cherry picked racist garbage. ✅

Just a side note for the thread: To keep discussions constructive, I actively use the forum's block/ignore feature for certain accounts. If I don't reply to your comment, I literally cannot see it.

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Edited July 10Jul 10 by riclag

1 minute ago, riclag said:

If I don't reply the first time it just means you are on my ignore list

In other words, can dish out the racist garbage but puts it's fingers in it's ears and shouts LA LA LA LA when someone easily refutes the lazy logical fallacy with facts he doesn't want to hear.

Oh, poor baby. Did someone make you upset? Here suck on a binky.

The math is straightforward, if a person is not supposed to be in the United States, then any offense they commit,whether a traffic violation or a violent crime like murder or rape,should never have happened in the first place, and represents a failure to protect American citizens.

Rubio :"Americans must never be forced by their elected leaders to live alongside foreign sex criminals who have no right to begin with to reside in our country."

If a foreign national has no legal right to be in the country, any crime they subsequently commit is completely preventable and represents a fundamental breakdown in protection.

Marco Rubio deports Laotian predator that Minnesota Gov pardoned

Kelly Ann makes sense on the criminal lovin Dem's with they support rapist & terrorist . Independants will heed the call again , nobody markets safety better than GOP .

Tom Homan border czar reacts to one of the favorites of the Dem party GOv. Walz.

"Who pardon's a child sex offender & rapist"?

The party's support of criminal foreign nationals , is beyond a reasonable doubt.

Systemic progressive initiative's raises it ugly head again.

Edited July 11Jul 11 by riclag

This thread is a direct extension of the clash between the Enforcement/Public Safety View and the Progressive/Systemic View. It shows that no matter where people are in the world, the debate over whether a nation should strictly defend its borders and protect its citizens from preventable crime remains one of the most fiercely contested issues of our time.

America First has seen what happens directly as a result of systemic progressive initiative experiments and foreign national murderers & serial criminals coming into a country. Starmer resigning in the UK,grooming gangs scandal and the EU Parliament voting by a huge majority to pass the Return Regulation,complete with chants of "send them back' on the parliament floor,has already shown the failure of the experiment over there.

Yet in my country, it's the news they actively ignore.

They rely on the passive media framing of high profile crimes to shield the open border narrative. The slow denial of transnational gang activity when Tren de Aragua started taking over complexes. We are watching the quiet collapse of "sanctuary city' ideology as local budgets completely fracture under the strain. And through it all, they hide behind a stat that immigrants commit crimes at lower rates than native born citizens.

That stat is an excuse to paper over a massive systemic breakdown. It completely side steps the issue of preventability.

Every single crime committed by an individual who entered or remained illegally is a crime that could have been entirely prevented by functioning border security and strict deportation policies.

Edited July 11Jul 11 by riclag

13 hours ago, riclag said:

Just a side note for the thread: To keep discussions constructive, I actively use the forum's block/ignore feature for certain accounts. If I don't reply to your comment, I literally cannot see it.

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In other words, like your cult Meister, you don't want to see your lame propaganda contradicted by facts! 😂

If the stated principle is 'deport criminals to reduce crime', then a consistent application would begin with nationals, who offend at far higher rates than non-nationals according to long-term data.

Applying that same metric, even prominent orange-complexioned criminal sex offenders would meet your criteria — and this is not about appearance at all, it’s simply your own logic applied evenly.

14 hours ago, SiSePuede419 said:

you would get a vastly larger number, yet no one presents that cumulative figure as evidence that “Americans are inherently dangerous.

except america haters who screech that regularly.

15 minutes ago, candide said:

In other words, like your cult Meister, you don't want to see your lame propaganda contradicted by facts! 😂

well lets see the facts?

8 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

except america haters who screech that regularly.

well lets see the facts?

We even watched the Biden try to diminish the reality right during a State of the Union address fumbling the name of Laken Riley, immediately pivoting to deflect by asking how many people are killed by "legals", and then spending the next week apologizing to the media for using the word illegal to describe her killer.

Think about the sheer scale of the 13k homicide convictions on that docket. That represents thousands of innocent American lives lost and families left to grieve in absolute silence over the years. Shame, isn't it? There are no riots, no mass protests, and no national reckonings for those 13k victims.

When a foreign national kills a citizen due to an administrative enforcement, the establishment and the media immediately rush to contextualize it, apologize for the vocabulary, and move on.

31 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

except america haters who screech that regularly.

well lets see the facts?

Already debunked 2 years ago.... 🤣🤣🤣

https://www.factcheck.org/2024/09/trump-vance-wrong-about-illegal-immigrant-murderers/

12 minutes ago, candide said:

Already debunked 2 years ago.... 🤣🤣🤣

https://www.factcheck.org/2024/09/trump-vance-wrong-about-illegal-immigrant-murderers/

sorry, some biased media source doesnt cut it. lets see the stats and your analysis.

hows the immigrant crime in paris btw?

8 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

sorry, some biased media source doesnt cut it. lets see the stats and your analysis.

hows the immigrant crime in paris btw?

Articles like that ABC News fact check are exactly the kind of material that drives the "news they ignore" argument.

The piece follows a highly predictable timeline of narrative dismissal. It doesn't deny that the 13k homicide convictions exist on the document,because they are official government numbers,but it immediately uses framing(time stamp) to minimize the impact.

google ai overview:

The figures of (13,000\) (convicted of homicide) and (600,000\) (with criminal convictions) foreign nationals living in the U.S. represent data accumulated over several decades.

https://abcnews.com/Politics/fact-checking-trumps-migrant-murderers-claims/story?id=114364781

35 minutes ago, candide said:

Already debunked 2 years ago.... 🤣🤣🤣

https://www.factcheck.org/2024/09/trump-vance-wrong-about-illegal-immigrant-murderers/

Thanks. Read it and you were right. Totally debunked.

15 hours ago, riclag said:

The Nation posted a article villainizing ICE as Maga Murder Inc, with ICE kills.

The media are evil black-hearted liars. Who benefits financially from all these illegal aliens? Same folks who pay these fake journalists.

Because people care more about greasing their own pockets than the well-being of the average citizen.

1 minute ago, save the frogs said:

The media are evil black-hearted liars. Who benefits financially from all these illegal aliens? Same folks who pay these fake journalists.

Because people care more about greasing their own pockets than the well-being of the average citizen.

the bottom line is that every illegal alien murder is a murder that would not have occurred but for the inactions/actions of the democratic national socialists.

8 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

The media are evil black-hearted liars. Who benefits financially from all these illegal aliens? Same folks who pay these fake journalists.

Because people care more about greasing their own pockets than the well-being of the average citizen.

I’m a traditionalist and a die hard lover of the red, white, and blue. I blame the radical direction of the modern Dem party they completely abandoned the party of JFK to reform it to fit an aggressive, progressive agenda that actively undermines national sovereignty and the rule of law. Theres a word for this it begins with M and ends in m. Marxism .

2 hours ago, candide said:

Already debunked 2 years ago.... 🤣🤣🤣

https://www.factcheck.org/2024/09/trump-vance-wrong-about-illegal-immigrant-murderers/

The fact check does not dispute that more than 13,000 people have been murdered by illegal aliens. It DOES dispute when those aliens entered the country. The claim that they all entered during the Biden administration is false.

So, 13,000 people would stlil be alive if the US enforced its border controls.

42 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

The fact check does not dispute that more than 13,000 people have been murdered by illegal aliens. It DOES dispute when those aliens entered the country. The claim that they all entered during the Biden administration is false.

ViolentCrime

So, 13,000 people would stlil be alive if the US enforced its border controls.

Right. Over 40 years, to compare with a total of 750,000 murders in the US during the same period of time.

https://www.opencrime.us/years

Sorry, I thought it was the same lie Trump and Vance made in 2024, during the election campaign (at around the same time the Fox News video was posted on its website). 😃

Edited July 11Jul 11 by candide

5 hours ago, riclag said:

Tom Homan border czar reacts to one of the favorites of the Dem party GOv. Walz.

"Who pardon's a child sex offender & rapist"?

The party's support of criminal foreign nationals , is beyond a reasonable doubt.

Systemic progressive initiative's raises it ugly head again.

You mean Ghislaine Maxwell ?

The tragic murder of Laken Riley in Georgia, combined with the staggering ICE stat of 13k homicide convictions and 600k criminal foreign nationals on the non detained docket, became the turning point. It forced a legislative reckoning that memorialized the progressive dereliction of law and order into federal statute.

The creation and final passage of the Laken Riley Act stands as a direct monument to that failure. By forcing mandatory detention across all 50 states for noncitizens charged with localized property crimes and theft,the very offenses that preceded the violence in Georgia, the law stripped away the administrative loopholes and sanctuary excuses that local officials used to release criminals back into American communities.

It stands as permanent, statutory proof that public safety and secure borders are not a partisan (46 House Dems & 12 Senate Dems voted with all GOP) , but an absolute baseline for protecting American lives.

3 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

The fact check does not dispute that more than 13,000 people have been murdered by illegal aliens. It DOES dispute when those aliens entered the country. The claim that they all entered during the Biden administration is false.

So, 13,000 people would stlil be alive if the US enforced its border controls.

The Fox News video is from September 2024. Riclag is desperate to distract attention from other subjects. 😃

Ultimately, this crisis over the years culminated by lax borders and a ideology hell bent on open borders created a turning point where the American public drew a line in the sand,proving that national security, the preservation of our sovereignty, and the safety of American citizens will always triumph over radical experiments.

4 minutes ago, riclag said:

Dem party they completely abandoned the party of JFK to reform it to fit an aggressive, progressive agenda that actively undermines national sovereignty and the rule of law. Theres a word for this it begins with M and ends in m. Marxism

to the thugs of the democratic national socialist party, the deaths of americans at the hands of savage illegal aliens is a small price to pay on their way to the workers paradise.

10 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

to the thugs of the democratic national socialist party, the deaths of americans at the hands of savage illegal aliens is a small price to pay on their way to the workers paradise.

Your instincts have never been wrong .

On 7/11/2026 at 4:38 AM, riclag said:

Just a side note for the thread: To keep discussions constructive, I actively use the forum's block/ignore feature for certain accounts. If I don't reply to your comment, I literally cannot see it.

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I also use this aseannow tool, I have blocked several members.

12 hours ago, riclag said:

Tom Homan border czar reacts to one of the favorites of the Dem party GOv. Walz.

"Who pardon's a child sex offender & rapist"?

The party's support of criminal foreign nationals , is beyond a reasonable doubt.

Systemic progressive initiative's raises it ugly head again.

Hmmm,...American politicians talking about child sex offenders...Let me seeee Jeff Epstein....Clinton, Trump, Obongo,....Yes, justice, I forgot they are in prison now....