4 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

So do you agree that an attack by one of Israels proxies is and attack by Israel?

I stated that they all use proxies and so you need to look at everything evenhandedly if you want to understand what is really going on.

You still trying to 'win'?

3 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

And what about the other 11 countries Iran attacked prior to 2026?

I left the US off the list, but Iran and or their proxies have killed a lot of Americans, and has attacked the United States a number of times.

But yeah, I understand how the mullahs are the latest heroes to the left.

you are so far off base with your brainwashing its pathetic. here's a more accurate list with causes of Iran's response. Perhaps you should consider the role that the US has played in all middle east countries and the instability we've caused. This has nothing to do with liking Iran or mullah but in what is true, correct and factual not to mention illegal by international standards

1. Iraq

a) 8 January 2020 – missiles at Al Asad and Erbil (U.S. forces in Iraq)

Prompting event (fact):

3 January 2020: The U.S. killed Qassem Soleimani (IRGC Quds Force commander) and Abu Mahdi al‑Muhandis in a drone strike at Baghdad airport.

Iran’s stated reason:

Officially described as retaliation for Soleimani’s killing and a response to “American terrorism.”

What Iran did (fact):

Fired more than a dozen ballistic missiles from Iran at Al Asad airbase and a base near Erbil hosting U.S. forces.

b) 8 September 2018 – missiles on Kurdish opposition in Koya (KRG)

Prompting context (fact):

Iranian Kurdish opposition groups (e.g., KDPI) operated from Iraqi Kurdistan and had carried out attacks inside Iran.

Iran’s stated reason:

IRGC said it targeted “terrorist headquarters” responsible for attacks in Iran.

What Iran did (fact):

Launched surface‑to‑surface missiles from Iran at KDPI facilities near Koya in Iraqi Kurdistan.

c) 13 March 2022 – missiles on Erbil (claimed “Israeli base”)

Prompting context (fact):

Days earlier, IRGC officers were killed in an airstrike in Syria that Iran blamed on Israel.

Iran’s stated reason:

IRGC said it struck a “Zionist regime strategic center” in Erbil.

What Iran did (fact):

Fired ballistic missiles from Iran that hit near civilian areas in Erbil, including close to a private residence and facilities linked by some to Western/Israeli presence.

2. Syria

a) 18 June 2017 – missiles at ISIS in Deir ez‑Zor

Prompting event (fact):

7 June 2017: Coordinated attacks on the Iranian parliament and Ayatollah Khomeini’s mausoleum in Tehran, claimed by ISIS.

Iran’s stated reason:

IRGC said the missile strikes were retaliation against ISIS for the Tehran attacks.

What Iran did (fact):

Launched several medium‑range missiles from western Iran toward ISIS targets in Deir ez‑Zor, eastern Syria.

b) 1 October 2018 – missiles at ISIS/“terrorists” in eastern Syria

Prompting context (fact):

IRGC personnel had been killed in an attack in Ahvaz, Iran, on 22 September 2018.

Iran’s stated reason:

IRGC said it struck “terrorist” targets in Syria linked to the Ahvaz attack.

What Iran did (fact):

Fired missiles and used drones from Iran toward targets near Al‑Bukamal in eastern Syria.

3. Pakistan

16 January 2024 – missiles and drones in Pakistan’s Baluchistan

Prompting context (fact):

Iran has long accused Jaish al‑Adl, a Sunni militant group based largely in Pakistan, of attacks in Iran’s Sistan‑Baluchestan province.

Shortly before the strike, there were deadly attacks on Iranian security forces in that region.

Iran’s stated reason:

Iran said it targeted Jaish al‑Adl positions in Pakistan in response to terrorist attacks inside Iran.

What Iran did (fact):

Fired missiles and used drones from Iran into Pakistan’s Baluchistan region.

Pakistan publicly condemned the violation of its sovereignty and later carried out its own strikes inside Iran.

4. Israel

13–14 April 2024 – large drone and missile attack on Israel

Prompting event (fact):

1 April 2024: An airstrike destroyed the Iranian consular building in Damascus, killing several senior IRGC Quds Force officers. Syria and Iran blamed Israel.

Iran’s stated reason:

Iran said the operation was retaliation for the Damascus consulate strike and framed it as a response to an attack on what it considers Iranian diplomatic/sovereign premises.

What Iran did (fact):

Launched hundreds of drones, cruise missiles, and ballistic missiles from Iran toward Israeli territory.

Most were intercepted by Israel and partner states, but the launch itself is undisputed and openly claimed by Iran.

9 hours ago, novacova said:

Westerners in open support of the Iranian regime offers too much exposure of one’s true self.

I think what you really meant to say is that open-minded people who engage in critical thinking and are opposed to this ridiculous war of choice expose their true selves. Come on admit it, isn't that what you really meant to say?

Fake Patriots who run around waving the flag often like to argue that there is no grey, it's all black and white. As Bush Jr. used to say you're either with us or you're against us. A pretty narrow and juvenile way of thinking, isn't it?

Nobody really knows what's going to happen at this point, bit the ceasefire is a great thing, and the drop in the oil price is certainly good for everybody, except those of us here in Thailand who are continuing to be taken advantage of by the government, who are engaging in massive profiteering at the moment.

Anybody who assumes that Trump has this thing solved is giving the rather dim man an infinitely greater amount of credit than he deserves.

All we can do is wait and see how this plays out. If I were advising Trump I would encourage him to get a negotiating team that actually has some talent and is respected by real diplomats.

32 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Yes, they are

Yes, they are

Yes, they are

In any event, not all the attacks were by proxies, and Iran has attacked the US directly.

check your facts and the causes of any responses by Iran or any other middle east country for that matter . then look at what the USA has contributed to creating the chaos, then I'll listen to you. until then eat a snickers bar, take some meds and take a nap.

Saying something multiple times doesnt make it true.

10 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

I think what you really meant to say is that open-minded people who engage in critical thinking and are opposed to this ridiculous war of choice expose their true selves. Come on admit it, isn't that what you really meant to say?

Fake Patriots who run around waving the flag often like to argue that there is no grey, it's all black and white. As Bush Jr. used to say you're either with us or you're against us. A pretty narrow and juvenile way of thinking, isn't it?

By open-minded, you mean Trump obsessed leftists, yes?

We have been discussing whether or not Iran should be permitted to continue their nuclear warhead and ballistic missile programs. What do you think?

2 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Nobody really knows what's going to happen at this point, bit the ceasefire is a great thing, and the drop in the oil price is certainly good for everybody, except those of us here in Thailand who are continuing to be taken advantage of by the government, who are engaging in massive profiteering at the moment.

Anybody who assumes that Trump has this thing solved is giving the rather dim man an infinitely greater amount of credit than he deserves.

All we can do is wait and see how this plays out. If I were advising Trump I would encourage him to get a negotiating team that actually has some talent and is respected by real diplomats.

Do you think a strong agreement with Iran could come of this?

3 minutes ago, Dan O said:

check your facts and the causes of any responses by Iran or any other middle east country for that matter . then look at what the USA has contributed to creating the chaos, then I'll listen to you. until then eat a snickers bar, take some meds and take a nap.

Saying something multiple times doesnt make it true.

Is it your position that Iran has never attacked the US?

2 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

You are not of the left?

Define Left. I haven't ever voted for anyone.

3 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Except that you labeled me before labeled you, and all I called you was a leftist.

That was a label, so I labelled you. You, were first. I'm a gentleman, I always allow the ladies to go first.

Do it again and I'll remind you.

4 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

So let's discuss whether or no Iran should be permitted to continue their nuclear warhead and ballistic missile programs. What do you think?

I think they should protect themselves from the terrorists near and far. No deflections from me.

How about your definition of a terrorist? if you use the term, you must have an idea of the meaning, surely?

16 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Do you think a strong agreement with Iran could come of this?

You mean like the one President Obama brokered, and the thin skinned child that is Trump tore up?

Not so quiet now, is it....

31 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Do you think a strong agreement with Iran could come of this?

Analysis

The Lebanon ceasefire must be understood in its broadest historical context, said American University of Beirut Professor Rami Khouri, who argued that what is happening now represents a fundamental shift in the dynamics of the Middle East.

“Pakistan insisted that the Lebanon conflict be included in resolving the Iran-US-Israel situation, that is pure logic,” Khouri told Al Jazeera, noting that at least 570 people had been killed in Lebanon since Pakistan first pushed for Lebanon’s inclusion on April 8.

“The Israelis and Americans did not want to link them. They wanted to maintain Israeli domination over northern Israel and southern Lebanon. That has not worked,” he said.

Khouri said we are now entering a new phase.

“We are now in a phase of possibly a negotiated resolution, rather than a unilateral Israeli military assault backed by the United States that redraws the maps of the Middle East.”

He described this moment as “part of the last chapter of the anti-colonial battle in the Middle East: the Iranians, Hezbollah, Hamas, and others are fighting to stop a century of Western military dominance and control of this region. Palestine is the core element.”

On the path forward, Khouri said the goal should be “a situation where Israelis can live in their Jewish-majority state, which the UN has accepted and the Arab world has accepted through the Arab Peace Plan, but which Israel and the US reject, and to replace military dominance with a negotiated agreement that is fair to all and that respects international law”.

51 minutes ago, IsmeUno said:

If you spent more time discussing, rather than trying to deflect,

You will never get that poster do anything else but to deflect and regurgitate the same MAGA brainwashed nonsense it has spouted forth since it first joined AN.

I have it on ignore so I can enjoy reading the responses to it's more outrageous posts rather than seeing them all!!

25 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

We have been discussing whether or not Iran should be permitted to continue their nuclear warhead and ballistic missile programs. What do you think?

2 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

We have been discussing whether or not Iran should be permitted to continue their nuclear warhead and ballistic missile programs. What do you think?

No, we haven't. You've been trolling the forum. Trolling isn't discussing.

Hope this clarifies your obvious confusion!

Multiple trolling and bickering posts removed.

40 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Is it your position that Iran has never attacked the US?

40 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Is it your position that Iran has never attacked the US?

41 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Is it your position that Iran has never attacked the US?

Did i say that anywhere at any time? Nice try at deflection and gaslighting.

Has the USA never conducted clandestine operations, false flag operation or overthrown most country governments in the middle east? Did they not fabricate the invasion of Iraq or fabricate lies about the need to attack Iran using the lies created by Israel?

49 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

By open-minded, you mean Trump obsessed leftists, yes?

We have been discussing whether or not Iran should be permitted to continue their nuclear warhead and ballistic missile programs. What do you think?

No 1 Mind your own business - just like Isarel has told the world. And

No2 Of course they should have nukes to tell the land thief arriviste Zionists to back off from trying to destroy their 3000 year old country.

Iran don't let them have your dust it's yours you have earned it the hard way and it looks like they are going to have to spank Trump agaion until he gets the message into his dense , thick idiot's head.

2 minutes ago, IsmeUno said:

You aren't discussing any topic, you are just acting like a silly Troll. Thus you get treated as one.

Start discussing in good faith and appreciate the difference. Until then...

Apparently, it is your position that Iran "should protect themselves from the terrorists near and far." I am in agreement 100%.

Is it also your position that Iran should be permitted to continue their nuclear warhead and ballistic missile programs, to protect themselves from terrorists near and far?

I'll go with this definition: "A terrorist is an individual who uses violence, mayhem, or threats thereof to coerce populations or governments, often pursuing political, ideological, or religious goals"

Well done, Donald. Quite the achievement, I must say. First they coined the acronym "TACO", because you're the quintessential surrender monkey. But that wasn't really enough to capture just how much of a failure you are, so they've now added the acronym "TOFU", Trump Only F***s Up.

'Iran’s Regime Has Changed—for the Worse'
https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/iran-radical-regime-change-a42d96ea

https://archive.ph/gnzf6

2 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

"A terrorist is an individual who uses violence, mayhem, or threats thereof to coerce populations or governments, often pursuing political, ideological, or religious goals"

That could in equal measure be applied to Israel and the USA, could it not?

My point is not to take sides, but to point out the subtle effect of brainwashing.

5 minutes ago, Dan O said:

Did i say that anywhere at any time? Nice try at deflection and gaslighting.

Has the USA never conducted clandestine operations, false flag operation or overthrown most country governments in the middle east? Did they not fabricate the invasion of Iraq or fabricate lies about the need to attack Iran using the lies created by Israel?

I never claimed you did. I only asked if it was your position that Iran has never attacked the US. It that confusing? It seems like a simple yes or no to me.

4 minutes ago, Dan O said:

Did i say that anywhere at any time? Nice try at deflection and gaslighting.

Has the USA never conducted clandestine operations, false flag operation or overthrown most country governments in the middle east? Did they not fabricate the invasion of Iraq or fabricate lies about the need to attack Iran using the lies created by Israel?

No, they took it upon themselves to fight back against a regime that has proven history of killing thousands, including Americans, which makes it justified, no matter what anyone thinks about their motives.Of course we know a lot about what Israel thinks, and their motives aren't all the same as ours, so you can judge them as you will.

Take Trump out of the equation, although he started this conflict, and you'll have less people interested in arguing about it. He's a weirdo, but also is a whipping boy when things go different than people want it.

A very few here know why this is going on, and it will all come out in the wash. There are people who have military in their families, along with political constituents, and what everyone is seeing online and on news casts, from both sides, is part BS, part bias and part truth, and of course some will take either side for many reasons.

The fact is, there were reasons for this conflict, and they are a combination of all things people already know about, some only Americans would understand , and some that are plain exaggerations, from both sides, although what America's done to Iran's military is obviously true, as any proof of any Navy or Air Force would be obvious. They have missiles , drones and soldiers, but time will be soon when they'll give in, as they don't want to lose their most precious commodity, which isn't their people but money.

3 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

I never claimed you did. I only asked if it was your position that Iran has never attacked the US. It that confusing? It seems like a simple yes or no to me.

But what is the point of the question? Is it a game of oneupmanship for you?

Was it in retaliation to something the US had done? Look at the whole picture, rather than this constant demonisation of one side.

Just now, IsmeUno said:

That could in equal measure be applied to Israel and the USA, could it not?

No, because by definition, a terrorist is an individual.

Did you want to offer your own definition of terrorist?

Just now, IsmeUno said:

My point is not to take sides, but to point out the subtle effect of brainwashing.

Do you believe it is the people that support the US, or the people that support Iran that have been brainwashed?

3 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

No, they took it upon themselves to fight back against a regime that has proven history of killing thousands, including Americans, which makes it justified, no matter what anyone thinks about their motives.

Take Trump out of the equation, although he started this conflict, and you'll have less people interested in arguing about it. He's a weirdo, but also is a whipping boy when things go different than people want it.

A very few here know why this is going on, and it will all come out in the wash. There are people who have military in their families, along with political constituents, and what everyone is seeing online and on news casts, from both sides, is part BS, part bias and part truth, and of course some will take either side for many reasons.

The fact is, there were reasons for this conflict, and they are a combination of all things people already know about, some only Americans would understand , and some that are plain exaggerations, from both sides, although what America's done to Iran's military is obviously true, as any proof of any Navy or Air Force would be obvious. They have missiles , drones and soldiers, but time will be soon when they'll give in, as they don't want to lose their most precious commodity, which isn't their people but money.

Fight back? Are you mad, sir? No, Israel and the USA are the instigators. Show even a single instance when Iran hit first.

1 minute ago, IsmeUno said:

But what is the point of the question? Is it a game of oneupmanship for you?

Was it in retaliation to something the US had done? Look at the whole picture, rather than this constant demonisation of one side.

You refuse to answer the questions I ask you, and then you jump in and refuse to answer questions asked of others.

It's almost as if you have been subtly brainwashed....

Trump 🤡 has gotten bored with the war he started , now he has

moved on to fighting with The Pope ,that must be going down well

with MAGA catholics ,which leader do we follow ,the cult leader of

our spiritual leader, then there is his greatest obsession the Trump 🤡

Golden ballroom , and Triumphal Arc ,and in other news have you

seen the meals that sailors are getting on Aircraft carriers ,not enough

to feed a mouse ,plus food parcels are not arriving ....

regards worgeordie

11 hours ago, JerryM said:

And what would Victory Day be without a littler Stars & Stripes piccolo

Practice for the opening of the new ballroom.

2 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

Meanwhile, there's nothing subtle about what you're doing today. Tell me, is the incessant trolling caused by a manic episode, or is it fear of the Epstein files being mentioned?

Everyone here knows you hate Trump with a passion. I also dislike him, but being an American, like you, we're supposed to support what the government does, and if it's negative, complain about it and hopefully vote the next time for someone who actually helps the common man and not just the rich.

Hating him, it's easy to dismiss the things he's done right. Granted, his public speeches leave a lot to be desired, but the actions taken are what we're supposed to look at.

This war was coming a long time, and for good reasons. Let it settle, then see what the results are. You might change your thinking when you see what our government's motives in this all were, Trump notwithstanding. If the war comes with more negatives than positives, then we can all complain, although it'll be on deaf ears anyway, as it always has been.

4 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Don't bother replying, as we're all sick of the way you interact with members here, as you can see from previous posts. You take turns attacking members until you're busted, and find it impossible to carry on a discussion without demeaning others, which can be seen in this topic alone.

Was there an election for spokesperson for aseannow.com members? Or did the moderators appoint you? I must have missed it. At any rate, congratulations on assuming your new position. I can't say I much like the way you're performing, but I hope you won't mind if I dissent now and again from your judgements. Like on the one you just posted.