Ukraine defeat will mark the beginning of the disintegration of Russia ?

Bye bye Putin forever and ever?

Russia has been bullying Ukraine since 1933

Repeat of 1917 Revolution?

Orban gone is the nail in the coffin for Putin ??

Putin's war is over .

I hope Europe gets the war with Russian that it so desperately wants. I hope that America gets the war with China that they do desperately want. Israel now has its war with Iran that it so desperately wanted (up next - Turkey). I hope South Korea and Japan get the war with the DPRK that they so desperately want.

When you finally figure out that the "liberal democracies" of the West are actually autocratic Fascist colonial plutocracies, the West's unquenchable desire for never-ending wars makes perfect sense. Kids in the West are literally programmed to hate Russia, China, the DPRK, and all Islamic republics.. The message for those in kindergarten onward is that those countries are evil and need to be destroyed. So? Stop beating around the bush. Europe and most Western born people hate Russia. Ok. Go to war with Russia. Most Americans have been raised since birth to believe that China is evil and needs to be destroyed. Ok. Go to war with China. Yeah yeah yeah, I know, first we have to destroy Iran for Israel. But hey, that shouldn't stop the EU/UK for invading that evil Russia. Come on - grow a set - invade Russia. All patriotic Westerners know that the Ruskies are evil, autocratic, godless people who live in a dictatorship and who actually want Western liberal values like Transvestite Storybook Hour in kindergarten. Same same with the evil Chinese. So gang, write your Western leaders and demand they go to war and wipe Russia, China, the DPRK, Iran, and everyone else who refuses to obey the United States and her/his/its values off the map.

War is Peace
Hate is Love
Autocracy is Democracy

"The Merry Minuet"
They're rioting in Africa
They're starving in Spain
There's hurricanes in Florida
And Texas needs rain

The whole world is festering
With unhappy souls
The French hate the Germans
The Germans hate the Poles
Italians hate Yugoslavs
South Africans hate the Dutch
And I don't like anybody very much

But we can be tranquil
And thankful and proud
For man's been endowed
With a mushroom shaped cloud
And we know for certain
That some lovely day
Someone will set the spark off
And we will all be blown away

They're rioting in Africa
There's strife in Iran
What nature doesn't do to us
Will be done by our fellow man
-The Kingston Trio

Edited April 26Apr 26 by connda

Why did you leave out the Russians about getting the war that they want? Maybe because they didn't. Instead they launched the war they now have. Can you believe that there are some people who refuse to call it a war? But rather continue to call it a special military operation. In Russia, calling it a war is a crime. But why would somebody not subject to criminal penalties also refrain from using the "W" word? What criteria are lacking that disqualifies this conflict from being called a war?

Edited April 26Apr 26 by Alan Zweibel

2 hours ago, 3NUMBAS said:

Russia has been bullying Ukraine since 1933

Russia has been bullying the region for centuries.

Ukraine has been bullying Poles, Lithuanians, Moldovans, Huungarians and Romanians for centuries too.

This is the history of Europe. The Europeans are a violent and greedy culture. They have been warring and thieving for centuries. It is why millions of Europeans fled Europe for other regions.

1 minute ago, Patong2021 said:

Russia has been bullying the region for centuries.

Ukraine has been bullying Poles, Lithuanians, Moldovans, Huungarians and Romanians for centuries too.

This is the history of Europe. The Europeans are a violent and greedy culture. They have been warring and thieving for centuries. It is why millions of Europeans fled Europe for other regions.

And the point of your post and solution to its contents are what?

8 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

Ukraine has been bullying Poles,

Turkey is bullying Greece as we speak.

11 hours ago, save the frogs said:

Bye bye Putin forever and ever?

Russia is likely to see another oppressive leader after Putin. The country has a long history, moving from Czars to the oppressive USSR to Putin's regime. The people have never truly had a voice in their government.

9 hours ago, scottiejohn said:

And the point of your post and solution to its contents are what?

Europeans are nicer these days because the USA forced it on them.

10 hours ago, connda said:

I hope Europe gets the war with Russian that it so desperately wants. I hope that America gets the war with China that they do desperately want. Israel now has its war with Iran that it so desperately wanted (up next - Turkey). I hope South Korea and Japan get the war with the DPRK that they so desperately want.

When you finally figure out that the "liberal democracies" of the West are actually autocratic Fascist colonial plutocracies, the West's unquenchable desire for never-ending wars makes perfect sense. Kids in the West are literally programmed to hate Russia, China, the DPRK, and all Islamic republics.. The message for those in kindergarten onward is that those countries are evil and need to be destroyed. So? Stop beating around the bush. Europe and most Western born people hate Russia. Ok. Go to war with Russia. Most Americans have been raised since birth to believe that China is evil and needs to be destroyed. Ok. Go to war with China. Yeah yeah yeah, I know, first we have to destroy Iran for Israel. But hey, that shouldn't stop the EU/UK for invading that evil Russia. Come on - grow a set - invade Russia. All patriotic Westerners know that the Ruskies are evil, autocratic, godless people who live in a dictatorship and who actually want Western liberal values like Transvestite Storybook Hour in kindergarten. Same same with the evil Chinese. So gang, write your Western leaders and demand they go to war and wipe Russia, China, the DPRK, Iran, and everyone else who refuses to obey the United States and her/his/its values off the map.

War is Peace
Hate is Love
Autocracy is Democracy

"The Merry Minuet"
They're rioting in Africa
They're starving in Spain
There's hurricanes in Florida
And Texas needs rain

The whole world is festering
With unhappy souls
The French hate the Germans
The Germans hate the Poles
Italians hate Yugoslavs
South Africans hate the Dutch
And I don't like anybody very much

But we can be tranquil
And thankful and proud
For man's been endowed
With a mushroom shaped cloud
And we know for certain
That some lovely day
Someone will set the spark off
And we will all be blown away

They're rioting in Africa
There's strife in Iran
What nature doesn't do to us
Will be done by our fellow man
-The Kingston Trio

Russia deserves to be hated.

10 hours ago, scottiejohn said:

And the point of your post and solution to its contents are what?

The point is that bullying is a characteristic of Europeans and it is not exclusive to the Russians.

The solution is to look at countries that have managed to avoid invading and starting wars with others. Australia, Canada, Finland, Iceland, Singapore, Mauritius, Botswana, Namibia, Costa Rica and New Zealand are examples.

1 hour ago, Patong2021 said:

Russia has been bullying the region for centuries.

Ukraine has been bullying Poles, Lithuanians, Moldovans, Huungarians and Romanians for centuries too.

This is the history of Europe. The Europeans are a violent and greedy culture. They have been warring and thieving for centuries. It is why millions of Europeans fled Europe for other regions.

So in the years following world war II, how much bullying have the the economically developed nations of the EU engaged in? When was the last time ukrainians bullied any other Nation? The Europeans have mostly learned their lesson. America not so much.

13 hours ago, connda said:

I hope Europe gets the war with Russian that it so desperately wants. I hope that America gets the war with China that they do desperately want. Israel now has its war with Iran that it so desperately wanted (up next - Turkey). I hope South Korea and Japan get the war with the DPRK that they so desperately want.

13 hours ago, save the frogs said:

Repeat of 1917 Revolution?

Sadly, many Russians obsesses & become delusional about these things. It is not too late; there is always hope. Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT) and family-focused therapy, can work wonders. Our thoughts are prayers are with you in these difficult times.

One can only hope this is the case, when you really think about it how much has Russia brought to the table within the world community in the past 70 years? Other than the space program very very little.

Russia and Israel are two of the most aggressive states out there right now, and unfortunately America is now on that list too, thanks to the garbage man.

13 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

when you really think about it how much has Russia brought to the table within the world community in the past 70 years? Other than the space program very very little.

Russia doesn't make cameras or any high tech gadgets.

But then again, neither does the EU.

Don't forget the Lada.

2 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

The point is that bullying is a characteristic of Europeans and it is not exclusive to the Russians.

The solution is to look at countries that have managed to avoid invading and starting wars with others. Australia, Canada, Finland, Iceland, Singapore, Mauritius, Botswana, Namibia, Costa Rica and New Zealand are examples.

On the one hand you claim that bbullying is characteristic of the Europeans. On the other hand, they're not contributing their fair share to the military.

Make up your mind?

37 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

39 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

neither does the EU.

Leica, Hassblad (owned by China)

Back at the ranch in Ukraine, Russian exploits at Chernobyl.

15 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

Russia has been bullying the region for centuries.

Ukraine has been bullying Poles, Lithuanians, Moldovans, Huungarians and Romanians for centuries too.

This is the history of Europe. The Europeans are a violent and greedy culture. They have been warring and thieving for centuries. It is why millions of Europeans fled Europe for other regions.

And that's one of the main reasons the EC/EU was created.

12 hours ago, Alan Zweibel said:

On the one hand you claim that bbullying is characteristic of the Europeans. On the other hand, they're not contributing their fair share to the military.

Make up your mind?

As previously explained, the military has multiple uses.

-National sovereignty protection for issues such as dumping of waste in the oceans, over fishing, unauthorized ocean and air transits. encroachments by foreign entities.

-Catastrophe response

-International peace keeping

The military need not be used for bullying and for expansionism. I provided examples of countries who are able to maintain a modicum of civility such as Canada, Australia, Namibia, Singapore et al.

Perhaps if this same statement had been made available at a location that allowed a cut and paste without your needing to think, you would have understood...............................

14 hours ago, Alan Zweibel said:

So in the years following world war II, how much bullying have the the economically developed nations of the EU engaged in? When was the last time ukrainians bullied any other Nation? The Europeans have mostly learned their lesson. America not so much.

The legacy of damages wrought by Europeans over hundreds of years cannot be undone in a few years or generations. Yes, things have improved since the end of WWII, but the removal of European colonial physical presence only took shape in the 1960's. The legacy of economic colonialism continued. And even since then, the Europeans have engaged in an arrogant political agenda.

The Belgians are the champions of bullying in the EU. Have you no idea as to what they did to Canada and the rest of the EU on their free trade treaty? Where were you during the reign of Viktor Orban? Have you looked at the Bulgarian or Slovakian national policies? Are you oblivious to the strong arming of Africans by the europeans? It is particularly evident on social policies. Many Africans do not accept the same government regulated "values" as Europeans such as the LQBQT+ agenda. France has been leading the bully of the UK ever since Brexit. The encouragement and assistance of unauthorized migrants from France demonstrates that.

And yes the Ukrainians have bullied people. One of the reasons why there is a war with Russia is that the Ukrainians had adopted a form of ethnic harassment in the ethnic Russian regions of the Ukraine. The Russian language was discouraged, and Russians faced overt discrimination in opportunities. And no, I am not excusing the Russians, but the Ukrainians were not nice. And before they started on the Russians, they had honed their ethnic hatred on Jews, Poles, Romanians, Hungarians, Moldovans and Lithuanians.

22 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

As previously explained, the military has multiple uses.

-National sovereignty protection for issues such as dumping of waste in the oceans, over fishing, unauthorized ocean and air transits. encroachments by foreign entities.

-Catastrophe response

-International peace keeping

The military need not be used for bullying and for expansionism. I provided examples of countries who are able to maintain a modicum of civility such as Canada, Australia, Namibia, Singapore et al.

Perhaps if this same statement had been made available at a location that allowed a cut and paste without your needing to think, you would have understood...............................

Yes. The military has multiple uses. And one of those uses is to inflict violence. So, have the economically developed nations of Europe been inflicting violence lately? In fact, since WW2 haven't they been extremely reluctant to commit violence? Those of them that had colonies have withdrawn from them. Where is this violence and greed that you invoked? Even internally, you want to compare homicide rates of european nations compared to, say, those of the USA?

And your remark about cut and paste is to be expected from someone who prefers to make things up or make unwarranted generalizations that can't be backed up by facts.

4 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

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The legacy of damages wrought by Europeans over hundreds of years cannot be undone in a few years or generations. Yes, things have improved since the end of WWII, but the removal of European colonial physical presence only took shape in the 1960's. The legacy of economic colonialism continued. And even since then, the Europeans have engaged in an arrogant political agenda.

The Belgians are the champions of bullying in the EU. Have you no idea as to what they did to Canada and the rest of the EU on their free trade treaty? Where were you during the reign of Viktor Orban? Have you looked at the Bulgarian or Slovakian national policies? Are you oblivious to the strong arming of Africans by the europeans? It is particularly evident on social policies. Many Africans do not accept the same government regulated "values" as Europeans such as the LQBQT+ agenda. France has been leading the bully of the UK ever since Brexit. The encouragement and assistance of unauthorized migrants from France demonstrates that.

And yes the Ukrainians have bullied people. One of the reasons why there is a war with Russia is that the Ukrainians had adopted a form of ethnic harassment in the ethnic Russian regions of the Ukraine. The Russian language was discouraged, and Russians faced overt discrimination in opportunities. And no, I am not excusing the Russians, but the Ukrainians were not nice. And before they started on the Russians, they had honed their ethnic hatred on Jews, Poles, Romanians, Hungarians, Moldovans and Lithuanians.

So, you believe in inherited guilt? The the Germans, French. British, Belgians, etc are violent and selfish because their ancestors were?

Also, I pointed to nations that were fully economically developed, like the United States. And you're comparing the so called Belgian bullying in trade negotiations to blowing people up? Truly bizarre.

And it's funny that you invoke Orban and Hungary. The US administration's kindred spirits.

As for the less developed nations in Europe. You might note that they were under the thumb of the Soviet Union until about 1989 and their economies are still developing. Despite which, none of the states in the EU have a homicide rate approaching that of the USA.

On 4/26/2026 at 11:13 AM, Patong2021 said:

Russia has been bullying the region for centuries.

Ukraine has been bullying Poles, Lithuanians, Moldovans, Huungarians and Romanians for centuries too.

This is the history of Europe. The Europeans are a violent and greedy culture. They have been warring and thieving for centuries. It is why millions of Europeans fled Europe for other regions.

Dude, they fight even among their little towns and cites and ethnics. If it wasnt for us forcing them to get along, they would kill each other more

On 4/26/2026 at 11:15 AM, scottiejohn said:

And the point of your post and solution to its contents are what?

Pointing out the truth that has affected modern life. Solution? Who knows. Kill yourselves off? You English dont count for much anymore so you arent too dangerous.

8 hours ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Yes. The military has multiple uses. And one of those uses is to inflict violence. So, have the economically developed nations of Europe been inflicting violence lately? In fact, since WW2 haven't they been extremely reluctant to commit violence? Those of them that had colonies have withdrawn from them. Where is this violence and greed that you invoked? Even internally, you want to compare homicide rates of european nations compared to, say, those of the USA?

And your remark about cut and paste is to be expected from someone who prefers to make things up or make unwarranted generalizations that can't be backed up by facts.

Remember the Libyan invasion of 2011 ? Libya is a country in Africa with high quality oil that sold almost all of its oil to Europe, with Italy, the largest customer. The Italians, French and Spain initiated a western military intervention in Libya. Europeans for some "odd" reason have a collective amnesia for this event.

It's remarkable how you can gloss over some critical junctures in history. it wasn't too long ago that Europe hosted a full blown ethnic genocide and did little to stop it. The USA had to reluctantly become involved to stop it. According to your revisionist history, the mass murder of 8,000 Bosniak boys and men in 1995 aka the Srebrenica Genocide and the systemic rape and abuse of young children and adults by Bosnian Serbs did not occur. The mass starvation and killings during the almost 4 year long siege of Sarajevo did not occur either, I suppose. do you forget the mass murder of an estimated 25,000 ethnic Albanians in Kosovo during the Kosovo war of 1999?

And yes, the USA has a high rate of violent crime compared to some European countries. It was attributable in large part to the large number of socio cultural groups predisposed to such violence. The USA was a welcoming and a tolerant nation where tens of millions of immigrants poured in. Cuba drained its psychiatric hospitals and prisons and dumped its violent offenders in the USA via the Mariel boatlift in 1980. Violent gang members poured in from Central America. Afro Americans turned on each other with black on black crime higher than for any other ethnic group. For many decades, these people did not go to Europe. On the contrary, they fled Europe. Now Europe's turn has come and they too are inundating Europe with negative consequences. Germany's immigrant population reached a record high, with one in four people living there now having a migration history. At the same time, new police data shows that foreign nationals appear more often in violent crime reports. https://etias.com/articles/1-in-4-germans-is-an-immigrant-%E2%80%94-and-crime-data-is-surging

Parts of Sweden are now "no go" areas for native Swedes. Crime goes unchallenged in parts of France like some banlieues of Paris and Marseilles. If you do not investigate crime or record it, there won't be any crime. 🫣

The takeaway, is that the veneer of European superiority is disintegrating.

8 hours ago, Alan Zweibel said:

So, you believe in inherited guilt? The the Germans, French. British, Belgians, etc are violent and selfish because their ancestors were?

Also, I pointed to nations that were fully economically developed, like the United States. And you're comparing the so called Belgian bullying in trade negotiations to blowing people up? Truly bizarre.

And it's funny that you invoke Orban and Hungary. The US administration's kindred spirits.

As for the less developed nations in Europe. You might note that they were under the thumb of the Soviet Union until about 1989 and their economies are still developing. Despite which, none of the states in the EU have a homicide rate approaching that of the USA.

I did not make any claim of inherited guilt. I did state that the damage from the legacy of exploitation cannot be quickly erased. The colonial attitudes still persisted. Sadly this was demonstrated by the Rwanda-Burundi genocide. Belgium and France were implicated and multiple inquiries and studies discuss the their role in having created the conditions and enabled both the genocide and failing to have prevented and not intervening to stop the events. And it is so nice for you to acknowledge the reign of tyranny that the Russians exerted over eastern Europe. It wasn't that long ago that the US President Reagan and UK Prime Minister Thatcher liberated Eastern Europe. It wasn't the Belgians, or Italians or the French.

23 hours ago, Alan Zweibel said:

So in the years following world war II, how much bullying have the the economically developed nations of the EU engaged in? When was the last time ukrainians bullied any other Nation? The Europeans have mostly learned their lesson. America not so much.

Post WWII, Ukrainians still celebrate their freedom fighters who fought against the Russians/Soviet Union.

Marches and statues erected in memory,

14th Waffen SS Galicia Division.

Quite a few acts of bullying done by that mob successors look at the Azov Division insignia one time proscribed by the USA as a terrorist paramilitary unit following its behaviour in certain regions.

No one has clean hands, no one has the moral high ground, no one can throw the first stone.

Let me duck first.