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Is quality of life worse in developed countries than in SE Asia?

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I see a lot of gloomy videos online posted by people in developed countries like the United States saying they can no longer afford basics like food and rent. In Japan, salarymen often work long hours, and many people report very tight monthly budgets despite the country being highly developed. It creates the impression that even in advanced economies, many people still struggle with living standards that might be expected to be higher.

If you broaden the view, similar concerns appear in places like the United Kingdom, Germany, and South Korea. In those countries, the issues often include rising housing costs, wage stagnation, taxation, and the overall increase in the cost of living. In the United States, the discussion often centers on healthcare, housing, and inequality.

These are all major developed economies with strong infrastructure, education systems, and decent GDP, yet many people still feel financial pressure that seems inconsistent with the idea of a comfortable developed world lifestyle. In parts of Asia, particularly Japan and South Korea, long working hours and limited free time are often highlighted, alongside high costs for leisure and daily living. These are countries that have a lot to offer, but a large portion of the population can no longer afford much beyond basic living expenses.

It raises questions about how much of this comes from the modern cost of living in large economies, and how much comes from expectations rising faster than incomes. It also makes me reflect on my own situation in Southeast Asia, where basic costs like rent, food, clothing, utilities, and transportation have always felt easily manageable.

Of course, quality of life is not only about affordability. It also includes stress levels, free time, personal freedom, and overall lifestyle balance. When comparing countries like Japan, South Korea, the United States, the United Kingdom, and Germany, the reality becomes more complex than the assumption that developed countries automatically offer a better quality of life for people who live there.

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  • Whose perception are you looking at? A Thai person living in Thailand, or a Westerner living in Thailand with their Western buying powers. The average person living in the West is spoiled and does not

  • Celsius
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    Another coping thread. We live quite well in Toronto on less than 50k per year..... and that's in canadian dollars. Of course, no stupid expenses like Healthcare Dentists Western food (not Thai slo

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    Nice flex there Mr. 7-11 over there in Nakorn Nackered. Now where is my bleemin toastie, mate? 😉

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Another coping thread.

We live quite well in Toronto on less than 50k per year..... and that's in canadian dollars.

Of course, no stupid expenses like

Healthcare

Dentists

Western food (not Thai slop) at ridiculously cheap prices

On this budget I would even go horing more than u saddos in Pattaya. The premium of fornicating while breathing clean air is worth it.

Of course, I wasn't one of those idiots who sold the property to live a dream in Thailand that is now slowly disappearing.

COPE MORE

Life is good

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8 minutes ago, Celsius said:

Another coping thread.

We live quite well in Toronto on less than 50k per year..... and that's in canadian dollars.

Of course, no stupid expenses like

Healthcare

Dentists

Western food (not Thai slop) at ridiculously cheap prices

On this budget I would even go horing more than u saddos in Pattaya. The premium of fornicating while breathing clean air is worth it.

Of course, I wasn't one of those idiots who sold the property to live a dream in Thailand that is now slowly disappearing.

COPE MORE

Life is good

Nice flex there Mr. 7-11 over there in Nakorn Nackered. Now where is my bleemin toastie, mate? 😉

21 minutes ago, Gary The Git said:

Nice flex there Mr. 7-11 over there in Nakorn Nackered. Now where is my bleemin toastie, mate?

Coming up. 100 baht

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4 minutes ago, Celsius said:

Coming up. 100 baht

Nice one, good lad! You must have made me one of those special ones with some drippy green custard, imitation crab meat, and some of that stringy pork on it. I am ready for it! Can I pay you in Canadian?

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10 minutes ago, Gary The Git said:

Nice one, good lad! You must have made me one of those special ones with some drippy green custard, imitation crab meat, and some of that stringy pork on it. I am ready for it! Can I pay you in Canadian?

Farang price 100 cad

SOLD!

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1 hour ago, Harry Tuchas said:

Of course, quality of life is not only about affordability. It also includes stress levels, free time, personal freedom, and overall lifestyle balance. When comparing countries like Japan, South Korea, the United States, the United Kingdom, and Germany, the reality becomes more complex than the assumption that developed countries automatically offer a better quality of life for people who live there.

Whose perception are you looking at? A Thai person living in Thailand, or a Westerner living in Thailand with their Western buying powers. The average person living in the West is spoiled and does not know how well they have it.  I think the average Westerner has a higher quality of life than the average Thai person.

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The kontrollers, as long planned, have been carving out the middle class for years in the West. Mission (almost) accomplished.

One even modest salary used to buy vacations, two cars and a cottage by the lakeside. No more.

Many expect their 2020s lifestyle to mirror one from the 50s - 80s. That's over for most in America, Canada, UK, west Europe, Australia.... Gig economy has been normalised. Lots of salarymen suicide stories on Youtube...

But the OP is right. You can still live quite cheaply in the West, even in Toronto. Smaller cities in the States and Canada are even less expensive.

Bonus is clean air, water, functioning infrastructure, and single pricing, things sorely lacking in Se Asia (excepting Singapore of course).

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Quality of life is what you make it, what's important to you. As far as location, that's almost irrelevant, as there are millionaires in most countries, and many came from nothing.

Everyone has the same opportunities, most simply don't utilize them. Back to my usual tag line ...

LIVE with YOUR CHOICES

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Yes. Unless you are quite wealthy or own a home free and clear. Southeast Asia is infinitely more reasonable than America as an example. I am back here right now and the prices of goods and services are both stunning and ridiculous. Anyone who buys into that 3% inflation garbage is living an alternate reality.

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I think people should earn the max they can in farangland then retire abroad to a country where you can have a much better quality of life, this will also add to the housing stock available to the young back home who are always moaning they can't buy

1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

Yes. Unless you are quite wealthy or own a home free and clear. Southeast Asia is infinitely more reasonable than America as an example. I am back here right now and the prices of goods and services are both stunning and ridiculous. Anyone who buys into that 3% inflation garbage is living an alternate reality.

You're right

It's 3.8% per recent post article

Which means its probably 4.5%

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1 minute ago, scubascuba3 said:

I think people should earn the max they can in farangland then retire abroad to a country where you can have a much better quality of life, this will also add to the housing stock available to the young back home who are always moaning they can't buy

They arrive knackered with not many good years left if any. They find a gf online which is more like a nurse /maid. They don't see much if anything of Thailand or it's neighbors. Don't enjoy Thailand - all farang

Basically, Thailand becomes merely a retirement home. My guess is this lot dies adjust well, doesn't die here. It's 5 10 and back home

Their diks prolly don't work and largely rotund people. Women...forget it. They don't last

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9 minutes ago, StarOfLight said:

They arrive knackered with not many good years left if any. They find a gf online which is more like a nurse /maid. They don't see much if anything of Thailand or it's neighbors. Don't enjoy Thailand - all farang

Basically, Thailand becomes merely a retirement home. My guess is this lot dies adjust well, doesn't die here. It's 5 10 and back home

Their diks prolly don't work and largely rotund people. Women...forget it. They don't last

I often think some guys have left it too late to retire, but they are brainwashed back home that you have to keep working to 67+, plus they have wife, children, grandchildren roots/anchors

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23 minutes ago, StarOfLight said:

They arrive knackered with not many good years left if any. They find a gf online which is more like a nurse /maid. They don't see much if anything of Thailand or it's neighbors. Don't enjoy Thailand - all farang

Basically, Thailand becomes merely a retirement home. My guess is this lot dies adjust well, doesn't die here. It's 5 10 and back home

Their diks prolly don't work and largely rotund people. Women...forget it. They don't last

They can also play the same game as the girls and run away at the first sign of trouble. Emotional deprivation does not exist at LOS

Take care of body to stay fit.

And enjoy the incredible selection of beautiful short time companions, with no strings attached and no hassle.

Personally, I've saved so much on my pension that I'm going to buy my own place here in Pattaya soon, even though I left my house in West to my ex-wife and children.

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I own 3 properties in Thailand, a 2 storey house where I live, a condo in Pattaya for holidays and a town house which is rented out. All up the total value when I puchased them was 3.25 million Thai baht. That's around AU$ 147,000, that would barely be a deposit to purchase a house in Australia now, where the median price where I used to live is AU$ 1.25 million. One other thing, let's not forget the weather in Thailand, it's like being in heaven compared to Melbourne winters.

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1 hour ago, StarOfLight said:

You're right

It's 3.8% per recent post article

Which means its probably 4.5%

From my point of view it's closer to 15%. I visited the US at least twice per year and every single time, nearly every one of my staple foods and the products that I consume has gone up at least 10 to 15%.

It's always important to take into account the fact that the average consumer doesn't have any need for magnesium ore.

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3 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Yes. Unless you are quite wealthy or own a home free and clear. Southeast Asia is infinitely more reasonable than America as an example. I am back here right now and the prices of goods and services are both stunning and ridiculous.


Even with owning a home, the cost of insurance has skyrocketed. Same with car insurance, and of course health insurance. I'm stunned when people tell me what they are paying. In Thailand almost all of my monthly expenses are for day-to-day living, but the US a noticeable percent goes to insurance.

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9 hours ago, Celsius said:

Another coping thread.

We live quite well in Toronto on less than 50k per year..... and that's in canadian dollars.

Of course, no stupid expenses like

Healthcare

Dentists

Western food (not Thai slop) at ridiculously cheap prices

On this budget I would even go horing more than u saddos in Pattaya. The premium of fornicating while breathing clean air is worth it.

Of course, I wasn't one of those idiots who sold the property to live a dream in Thailand that is now slowly disappearing.

COPE MORE

Life is good

You wouldn't be able to do that if you had a mortgage or were paying rent.

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1 hour ago, Rams86 said:

I own 3 properties in Thailand, a 2 storey house where I live, a condo in Pattaya for holidays and a town house which is rented out. All up the total value when I puchased them was 3.25 million Thai baht. That's around AU$ 147,000, that would barely be a deposit to purchase a house in Australia now, where the median price where I used to live is AU$ 1.25 million. One other thing, let's not forget the weather in Thailand, it's like being in heaven compared to Melbourne winters.

Melbourne winter. 😆😆 thats cute.

1 hour ago, scubascuba3 said:

I often think some guys have left it too late to retire, but they are brainwashed back home that you have to keep working to 67+, plus they have wife, children, grandchildren roots/anchors

Nothing wrong with working. It just depends on what you do and who you do it for.

Some people actually like to work. But of course, if you hate getting up in the morning, have no connection with your coworkers, and dislike what you do, then it becomes a problem.

Honestly, too many people have spent their lives doing work they never really enjoyed.

The craziest part is that many also commute every day, spending hours in a car or on public transport just to get there and back.

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56 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

From my point of view it's closer to 15%. I visited the US at least twice per year and every single time, nearly every one of my staple foods and the products that I consume has gone up at least 10 to 15%.

It's always important to take into account the fact that the average consumer doesn't have any need for magnesium ore.

I thought you were discussing Thailand. That was recently published days ago

I recently visited Florida. Asked my uncle to take me into a cheap supermarket so I can survey the prices. Staples are not that out of line. Costco in California was higher, but survivable...for now

Yes, inflation in US on many fronts. Long bond now over 5%. I think it hit 5.2! This is horrible news for all and especially government. Bessent will create new fake metrics for inflation like they did unemployment to ysmp things down. Gonna be a real <deleted> show forward.

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1 hour ago, Toc-Toc said:

They can also play the same game as the girls and run away at the first sign of trouble. Emotional deprivation does not exist at LOS

Take care of body to stay fit.

And enjoy the incredible selection of beautiful short time companions, with no strings attached and no hassle.

Personally, I've saved so much on my pension that I'm going to buy my own place here in Pattaya soon, even though I left my house in West to my ex-wife and children.

Hopefully you can still get it up at your age even with vitamin V. Just think if you retired ten years before? Why Pattaya? Dog pound full of mutts lol.

2 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

I think people should earn the max they can in farangland then retire abroad to a country where you can have a much better quality of life, this will also add to the housing stock available to the young back home who are always moaning they can't buy

Was sorta my strategy lol

Take a contract, forgo insurance, work complete contact and go abroad. Live for cheap. Return one year, couch surfing 3 months, get accomodations, rinse repeat for ten years....plow everything into stock market.

Strategy backfired as I lost my IT skills and had enough of corporate bull<deleted>. Bailed out at 43.

Traveled another decade, met my wife. Two years later started teaching out of boredom and supplemental income and money for her when I die.

First few years was rough, but last seven rewarding and decent pay especially last five.

Compared to most I've had a very full life.

One of my biggest regrets is not going to South America which I was disinterested in being an North American and to Africa. Had no super keen interest in Africa and South America just look like Mexico but different.

I have traveled so much in Southeast Asia that I'm actually bored with it. I've lived in a number of East and Northeast Asian countries. I've spent years in India, Cambodia, Indonesia. Months in Myanmar, Lao, Vietnam.

I'm now having a great time in Bangkok. I keep myself occupied during the days having lunch out and doing a bit of shopping. Of course there's always the massage girl and the side 😉

I just need to figure out how to get out of USD and US banks and still keep money secure and earning interest.

I think most people under 65 in west like sucks. At best they are scrambling to keep up. The younger the more desperate.

My friends in California with their 1.4 million home. All the taxes alone they will be working until they die just to live in that stupid house. Then you can add on the Medicare Advantage supplement, auto insurance home insurance, petrol, subscriptions and fees etc... My life is so simple. I've spent b20,000 a month for the past I don't know how many years and continue to keep that as my budget. Things have got much tighter but I've been able to more or less stay with the budget. In California burrito cost $12 and that's good deal

  • Housing can open up easily just disallow corporations like BlackRock from owning single-family homes or better any domicile whatsoever.

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36 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Nothing wrong with working. It just depends on what you do and who you do it for.

Some people actually like to work. But of course, if you hate getting up in the morning, have no connection with your coworkers, and dislike what you do, then it becomes a problem.

Honestly, too many people have spent their lives doing work they never really enjoyed.

The craziest part is that many also commute every day, spending hours in a car or on public transport just to get there and back.

That's why they call it work 😉

21 minutes ago, StarOfLight said:

That's why they call it work 😉

I have always enjoyed working, and I still do. But now it is not only for the money.

Right now, we are about breaking even when looking at the real cost of living, running costs, and paying off the investment.

But when that is said, we are not really running it mainly to make money at the moment. We are building a solid base and foundation. If we have to make it more profitable later, at least we have something real to build on.

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1 hour ago, blaze master said:

You wouldn't be able to do that if you had a mortgage or were paying rent.

Well, maybe you can in UK?

@simon43 had a whole thread how the government would basically throw 4k pounds per month at him if he was to move back.

10 minutes ago, Hummin said:

I have always enjoyed working, and I still do. But now it is not only for the money.

Right now, we are about breaking even when looking at the real cost of living, running costs, and paying off the investment.

But when that is said, we are not really running it mainly to make money at the moment. We are building a solid base and foundation. If we have to make it more profitable later, at least we have something real to build on.

Sounds like work

7 minutes ago, StarOfLight said:

Sounds like work

If you want to make work negative, that is a personal choice.

I would rather look at things I want to do, or need to do, in a positive way instead of letting them become an energy thief and a constant struggle.

Work is something you do to use your creativity, skills, and discipline to improve your life and your situation. It also helps you build a foundation for future challenges that might come.

Work is not only about money. It is also about providing, protecting, socialising, becoming a more capable and attractive partner, building assets, and creating safety.

I don't disagree, but I think there comes a time when it's just about you. You don't want to die with that attitude imo.

Work can be rewarding. Not usually, but possible.

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