3 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

So.. to the baying mobs and their various "theories" about what is happing, I have a simple question;

What do YOU think is an acceptable deal to end the conflict?

Try to remove yourself from your circle of hate, give thinking dispassionately a try, and come up with your best solution.

The aggressors withdraw and pay reparations for their illegal war of aggression.

3 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

So.. to the baying mobs and their various "theories" about what is happing, I have a simple question;

What do YOU think is an acceptable deal to end the conflict?

Try to remove yourself from your circle of hate, give thinking dispassionately a try, and come up with your best solution.

Best possible outcome in an ideal world:

The Iranian people rise up and get rid of the mullahs and the IRGC, and turn Iran into a democratic country.

Trump resigns.

Best possible outcome in a far from ideal world:

The Iranians agree to a deal close to the JCPOA arrangement and opens the HOA without restrictions.

Realistically what will likely happen:

A deal will be reached after Iran has squeezed ever concession it can from the US, and agrees to a deal much worse (for the US) than the deal President Obama finally managed to reach after two years of painstaking negotiations.

The SOH will never go back to being totally free and open after this war clearly showed the Iranians (and the world) that they can close the strait with minimal effort and assets.

Edited June 14Jun 14 by BLMFem

For those who prefer a visual presentation of any future deal :

5 hours ago, potless said:

Yes, the next admin can cancel agreements as can Iran.

My question was would you trust Iran to relinquish any plans to have nukes irrespective of any deal signed now? No doubts at all?

No doubt at all. This attack has shown Iran they need nukes. So they'll get them, no matter what they sign.

Do you really believe this war was about Iran's nuclear ambition?

10 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

‘Racist and Fems’ what triggered that I wonder?

the inevitable utter stupidity of your ignorant hate spews, perhaps?

6 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

the inevitable utter stupidity of your ignorant hate spews, perhaps?

Oh dear losing doesn’t suit your winner's persona - don't be bitter you lost to a more fearless and well prepared enemy there's no shame in that unless you choose to find any. That said your Israeli mates are starting to wake up to the new reality Time for the nut jobs to wind their necks in unless they want them chopped off.

Bennett to ToI: ‘We’re at an existential moment. Another four years with this government, we won’t have a society’

With US and Iran set to sign deal, former and would-be PM also denounces Netanyahu’s Iran strategy, reliance on ‘protracted wars’; slams the Haredi ‘state within a state’ as causing ‘slow-motion national suicide’

https://www.timesofisrael.com/bennett-to-toi-were-at-an-existential-moment-another-four-years-with-this-government-we-wont-have-a-society/

13 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

the inevitable utter stupidity of your ignorant hate spews, perhaps?

You're not a graceful loser, are you. But, tbf, after such a MASSIVE loss I can see why you feel the need to lash out, because this is the most humiliating defeat in US history.

Pearl Harbor? Sure, humiliating, but it shook the US awake so at least it served a purpose.

Vietnam? Humiliation, but at least you could claim it was for a good cause.

But Iran? Utter, bottomless and complete humiliation. The moron of a president of the most powerful nation on earth who thought he could decapitate the leadership of another country and steal their oil got absolutely pawned by a ragtag bunch of fanatics.

Loss of face and credibility at a historic level. The world as never seen something as politically devastating as this s**t show.

Yep, it's heading towards complete US surrender.

'Iran says draft US deal includes oil sanctions waiver, nuclear limits and asset release'

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/iran-says-draft-us-deal-includes-oil-sanctions-waiver-nuclear-limits-asset-2026-06-14/

On 6/12/2026 at 6:42 AM, BLMFem said:

So it seems that Iran has agreed to a deal VASTLY more beneficial to them than the deal President Obama made with Iran. This is a total US and Trump defeat.

Any president in a serious country would have been forced out after such a complete humiliation.

[Yaroslav Trofimov is the Chief Foreign-Affairs Correspondent of WSJ.]

I'm not sure how anyone can conclude this is "vastly more beneficial to Iran" when the final agreement hasn't even been publicly released yet.

Current reporting still shows conflicting statements.

Trump says a deal is essentially done, while Iranian officials have repeatedly said no final decision has been made and important details remain unresolved.

More importantly, I find it interesting that you're taking Iran's version of events at face value. The Iranian government has a long history of saying one thing publicly while negotiating something different behind closed doors and even current reports show conflicting accounts coming from Tehran and Washington.

If the deal ultimately gives Iran sanctions relief and frozen assets without meaningful nuclear restrictions, then I'll agree it's a bad deal. But if Iran is required to give up enriched uranium, accept verification measures and permanently abandon nuclear weapons development, then that's a very different conversation. Some reports suggest those kinds of provisions are being discussed, but the final text hasn't been released.

The Obama deal was a published document that could be analyzed line by line. This deal isn't even finalized yet according to multiple reports. Declaring it a complete humiliation before we know the actual terms seems premature.

During the Iran hostage crisis the Iranians were so intent on humiliating President Carter that they only released the hostages one hour into the President Reagan inauguration ceremony.

Expect trump to get the same treatment.

On 6/12/2026 at 6:52 AM, BLMFem said:

The SSM (Sane Stream Media) is just beginning to cover the deal.

'Interim US-Iran agreement appears to take shape'

https://edition.cnn.com/2026/06/12/world/live-news/iran-war-trump-israel

do you read or you just post? "Interim US-Iran agreement appears to take shape"

let me explain so you understand. This means negotiations are progressing.

It does not mean a final agreement has been signed and it certainly doesn't tell us the final terms.

Right now we're getting conflicting claims from Washington and Tehran. Some reports say a memorandum may be signed soon, while Iranian officials continue to say important issues remain unresolved. We don't even have a final public text to analyze yet.

So how can anyone honestly conclude that it is "vastly more beneficial to Iran" than the Obama deal when we don't know the final terms?

Also, I'm skeptical of treating statements coming from Tehran as established fact. The Iranian regime has a long history of concealing nuclear activities, violating commitments, and presenting different stories to different audiences. If there are conflicting claims between U.S. negotiators and Iranian officials, I'm not automatically assuming Iran's version is the accurate one.

When the final agreement is public, let's compare the actual provisions—uranium enrichment, inspections, sanctions relief, verification, enforcement, and asset releases. Until then, declaring it a total U.S. defeat is speculation, not analysis.

Someone has counted them: It's the 40 ied "peace deal" that is ready to be implened shortly according to Donald. Yawn.

On 6/12/2026 at 9:03 AM, Yagoda said:

you poor losers lol.

It amazes me that these guy believe everything Iran says!

23 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

You're not a graceful loser, are you. But, tbf, after such a MASSIVE loss I can see why you feel the need to lash out, because this is the most humiliating defeat in US history.

Pearl Harbor? Sure, humiliating, but it shook the US awake so at least it served a purpose.

Vietnam? Humiliation, but at least you could claim it was for a good cause.

But Iran? Utter, bottomless and complete humiliation. The moron of a president of the most powerful nation on earth who thought he could decapitate the leadership of another country and steal their oil got absolutely pawned by a ragtag bunch of fanatics.

Loss of face and credibility at a historic level. The world as never seen something as politically devastating as this s**t show.

i havent lost anything, nor has my country. another doom and gloom you have spewed under multiple ids, none of which have come to pass

one need not wonder about your view of things when you have named yourself after mentally ill fraudsters.

keep your hysteria going, now, ya hear.

trump beats you up every day hahahaha

On 6/12/2026 at 9:22 AM, BLMFem said:

"I dont remember Obama atomizing Irans nuke program...."

He didn't have to. The deal he negotiated made sure of that. Then along came the moron, trump. The dumbest president ever, and the rest is a historical s**t show.

"....nor atomizing the vile ayatollah...."

Why kill an 86 y/o man who was less vile than the 30 year younger version that replaced him, and that you killed the father, mother, wife and child of, you utter muppets.

".....nor atomizing Irans airforce and navy."

Yeah, sure. Heard that for months now, and they still manage to down your choppers and hit your bases. Complete muppet show.

"Did I miss all that happening under the divider in chief?"

Hard to say, you miss so much I'm actually worried about you.

If Obama's deal "made sure" Iran's nuclear program was no longer a threat, then why are we still talking about Iran's nuclear program?

The JCPOA didn't eliminate Iran's nuclear capability. It imposed limits, monitoring and timelines while allowing Iran to keep significant nuclear infrastructure. That's not the same thing as dismantling the program.

What I find amusing is that you're treating statements from the Iranian regime as if they're gospel truth. Iran has spent decades concealing nuclear activities, funding proxies and telling different stories to different audiences. Forgive me if I don't consider Tehran the gold standard for credibility.

You can dislike Trump all you want. But rewriting the actual terms and results of the Obama deal doesn't make your argument stronger.

46 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Oh dear losing doesn’t suit your winner's persona - don't be bitter you lost to a more fearless and well prepared enemy there's no shame in that unless you choose to find any. That said your Israeli mates are starting to wake up to the new reality Time for the nut jobs to wind their necks in unless they want them chopped off.

Bennett to ToI: ‘We’re at an existential moment. Another four years with this government, we won’t have a society’

With US and Iran set to sign deal, former and would-be PM also denounces Netanyahu’s Iran strategy, reliance on ‘protracted wars’; slams the Haredi ‘state within a state’ as causing ‘slow-motion national suicide’

https://www.timesofisrael.com/bennett-to-toi-were-at-an-existential-moment-another-four-years-with-this-government-we-wont-have-a-society/

ooooooooooo the joooooooooos. bet the destruction if israel would make you day.........

On 6/12/2026 at 9:46 AM, BLMFem said:

So it seems one of the things still being discussed is how many boatloads of cash the US is giving Iran. Obviously it's gonna be gigantic sums given to the mullahs and the IRGC.

So, is this a win, MAGA?

what? no deal???? I thought you said a deal was done and that it's worse than Obama's deal... I can't believe Iran lied!!

5 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

ooooooooooo the joooooooooos. bet the destruction if israel would make you day.........

You really should read Gilad Atzmon the Wandering Who ? He really nails you.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Wandering-Who-Jewish-Identity-Politics/dp/1846948754

28 minutes ago, ericthai said:

If Obama's deal "made sure" Iran's nuclear program was no longer a threat, then why are we still talking about Iran's nuclear program?

The JCPOA didn't eliminate Iran's nuclear capability. It imposed limits, monitoring and timelines while allowing Iran to keep significant nuclear infrastructure. That's not the same thing as dismantling the program.

What I find amusing is that you're treating statements from the Iranian regime as if they're gospel truth. Iran has spent decades concealing nuclear activities, funding proxies and telling different stories to different audiences. Forgive me if I don't consider Tehran the gold standard for credibility.

You can dislike Trump all you want. But rewriting the actual terms and results of the Obama deal doesn't make your argument stronger.

28 minutes ago, ericthai said:

If Obama's deal "made sure" Iran's nuclear program was no longer a threat, then why are we still talking about Iran's nuclear program?

The JCPOA didn't eliminate Iran's nuclear capability. It imposed limits, monitoring and timelines while allowing Iran to keep significant nuclear infrastructure. That's not the same thing as dismantling the program.

What I find amusing is that you're treating statements from the Iranian regime as if they're gospel truth. Iran has spent decades concealing nuclear activities, funding proxies and telling different stories to different audiences. Forgive me if I don't consider Tehran the gold standard for credibility.

You can dislike Trump all you want. But rewriting the actual terms and results of the Obama deal doesn't make your argument stronger.

No one was until Trump decided to go all in on this

Whatever the deal is it will be compared line by line with that Obama got.

Embarrasing and humbled by Iran. The Yanks have even got to pay for the damage they inflicted.

7 hours ago, stevenl said:

12 hours ago, potless said:

Yes, the next admin can cancel agreements as can Iran.

My question was would you trust Iran to relinquish any plans to have nukes irrespective of any deal signed now? No doubts at all?

No doubt at all. This attack has shown Iran they need nukes. So they'll get them, no matter what they sign.

So you agree with my statement that Iran should not be trusted to stick to a deal regarding nukes?

7 hours ago, stevenl said:

Do you really believe this war was about Iran's nuclear ambition?

That is just one aspect of this conflict. Some will say its about diverting attention from the Epstein files. Others will say its regime change or oil or Israel sucking the US into the fray etc etc.

13 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

So.. to the baying mobs and their various "theories" about what is happing, I have a simple question;

What do YOU think is an acceptable deal to end the conflict?

Try to remove yourself from your circle of hate, give thinking dispassionately a try, and come up with your best solution.

Ending up in a worse position than we were before the war started is certainly not a good place to end up at the end of all this. Yet with Trump in charge that is bound to happen as the man is an utter failure and nearly everything he does, except when it comes to swindling money out of Hlhapless investors and small contractors.

42 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Yet with Trump in charge that is bound to happen as the man is an utter failure and nearly everything he does, except when it comes to swindling money out of Hlhapless investors and small contractors.

oops a sigmund slip..is that why you mindlessly have been bearing a grudge against him for 50 years huh? he caught you.....fired you.....

Oh dear never mind and on his birthday - it's not going well in Lebanon - Hezbollah like Ukraine have got handy with FPV fibre optic drones.

Off topic bickering baiting posts and replies have been removed.

10 hours ago, potless said:

That is just one aspect of this conflict. Some will say its about diverting attention from the Epstein files. Others will say its regime change or oil or Israel sucking the US into the fray etc etc.

No, Iran's nuclear ambitions was not one of the objectives of the war. No matter what the US administration claims.

Yes, Iran will get nuclear, no matter what. No, they nor the US can be trusted to stick to any agreement. An agreement that will for sure not be better for the world than the situation was 6 months ago. Even Iran will be worse of, no matter the Billions they are receiving, looking at the destruction the US and Israel unleashed on Iran. Iran will be the moral winner, but that won't help them or anyone else.

Edit: Israel may end up a winner here, short term anyway, as the US will have to pay off Israel somehow in order for them to stop attacking Iran and Lebanon.

Edited June 15Jun 15 by stevenl

On 6/12/2026 at 8:05 PM, SunnyinBangrak said:

I dont remember Obama atomizing Irans nuke program, nor atomizing the vile ayatollah, nor atomizing Irans airforce and navy.

Did I miss all that happening under the divider in chief? Or is it yet another nonsensical narrative from a particularly fertile imagination?

You are right, If your paradigm is "atomizing" (in the civilised world it'd be "atomising"), but we'd use such word in a different meaning.

On 6/12/2026 at 5:42 PM, BLMFem said:

So it seems that Iran has agreed to a deal VASTLY more beneficial to them than the deal President Obama made with Iran. This is a total US and Trump defeat.

Any president in a serious country would have been forced out after such a complete humiliation.

[Yaroslav Trofimov is the Chief Foreign-Affairs Correspondent of WSJ.]

Your typical "I hate Trump" mantra. You are also the mirror image of the looney left politicians and biased MSM with your Iran apologist propaganda.