4 hours ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

Has papa been drinking again 🍻

gave it up a few years back

but thinking about starting again.

8 hours ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

Speaking of stupidest comments..... I reckon you need to take a good look at yourself.

Seems you are the odd one out here.

better check your facts there as your on the losing end of the stupid stick.

15 hours ago, Airalee said:

Their toys are better than the ones I had growing up !

14 hours ago, Roadsternut said:

...I'd rather spend millions having them stay put. Its a complete and utter waste of money to have the Royal Navy stop, Canute like, boats crossing a sea to an island. If people want that, then they will have to accept the total militarisation of the beaches. All beaches, like in WW2, off limits to the public, barbed wire deploy, anti-personnel mines installed. Guaranteed you won't see boat refugees outside the Co-Op.

Australia was able to quickly and effectively stop a similar boat invasion in 2013 from Indonesia with its Operation Sovereign Borders policy. No miltarisation and barbed wire on beaches etc required.

Edited June 14Jun 14 by nexus7

14 hours ago, bannork said:

I agree with what you say in your first paragraph. With the first generations of Pakistani families that came over, the women rarely worked, usually stayed at home, second class citizens.

But now the kids of those families are in school, mixing with English kids, kids of African and Arabic countries. At home many speak Urdu or their native tongue with their family, but at school they're speaking English, often with the local accent.

They may dress differently but a lot of these girls will, and indeed are, now working in various professions around the country.

Regarding admitting single men from conservative Muslim countries. Yes, there is an obvious danger in letting them on the streets without intensive re-education first, perhaps they should only be admitted if married.

Anecdotally, they don't tend to mix with the white kids in the playground. Also, the 2nd generation were involved in the rape gangs. Not all of them, but a proportion.

7 hours ago, Roadsternut said:

You've reached the point where even when a local man is arrested (police reports, you will likely find out on monday or tuesday when he is arraigned, you ADHD addled obsessive), you still need him to be an immigrant somehow.

That's not a crime analysis. That's an obsession.

AKA dumb f******.

You sound angry. Are you originally from one of those disaster zone failed states still clinging to thousand year old traditions?

I’d be embarassed too.

I’ll bet most of those countries are terrible places to go for a holiday.

On 6/13/2026 at 11:09 AM, Gecko123 said:

The video above posted by @connda shows the perpetrator doing what looks to me like a crude attempt at hip-hop jump dancing or just excitedly jumping in the air immediately after the stabbing. But I'm not buying for a second @baansgr 's earlier cynical claim that the term "chimping" when used in this context wasn't intended to carry any racial connotation.

Chimping has no racial boundaries. It’s a low IQ thing.

15 hours ago, bannork said:

Come on, answer the point.

Why are the beggars, junkies and crackheads on UK streets usually white Brits?

Why would we want anymore then?🤔

2 hours ago, Ralf001 said:

Their toys are better than the ones I had growing up !

Same here. They obviously had better parents than us.

1 hour ago, sammieuk1 said:

Why would we want anymore then?🤔

They might be Junkies, crack heads but they don't randomly stab people in the streets or try and decapitate innocents.

2 hours ago, nexus7 said:

Anecdotally, they don't tend to mix with the white kids in the playground. Also, the 2nd generation were involved in the rape gangs. Not all of them, but a proportion.

I don't agree with you about the second generation immigration school kids not mixing with the white kids. In my experience they're often walking the streets together, laughing and chatting as kids do.

2 hours ago, nexus7 said:

Australia was able to quickly and effectively stop a similar boat invasion in 2013 from Indonesia with its Operation Sovereign Borders policy. No miltarisation and barbed wire on beaches etc required.

The geography is totally different. Australia has a massive maritime border spanning thousands of miles of deep ocean. This gives the Australian Navy plenty of time to detect, intercept, and safely manage vessels before they reach shore.

The English Channel, by contrast is the busiest shipping route in the world, with a crossing distance of only 21 miles. This leaves little room to manoeuvre or tow small, overcooked dinghies.

Then where to tow them to? The French will not accept boats turned back from English waters.

Edited June 14Jun 14 by bannork

19 hours ago, BarraMarra said:

What you can't grasp Roadsta is we do not know who is coming in they could be rapist's murders on the run from there country Terroist's we simply don't know who has moved next door in his new home provided by us. We have the right to know the identity of our new immigrant.

If I could understand what you are saying I might disagree with it - as it is - yes, no , maybe ,NO.

4 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

If I could understand what you are saying I might disagree with it - as it is - yes, no , maybe ,NO.

Buy a Dictionary, might help you.

4 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

Buy a Dictionary, might help you.

What you can't seem to grasp, Roadsta, is that we often have no idea who is entering the country. They could be law-abiding people seeking a better life, but they could equally be criminals, rapists, murderers, fugitives, or even terrorists. The point is that we simply do not know.

When someone is housed in our community, the public naturally expects that proper checks have been carried out and that the authorities know exactly who that person is. A functioning immigration system should be able to establish identity, assess any risks, and reassure the public that those arriving have been properly vetted.

Wanting to know that the people coming into the country have been identified and screened is not unreasonable; it is a basic expectation of border control and public safety.

1 hour ago, bannork said:

The geography is totally different. Australia has a massive maritime border spanning thousands of miles of deep ocean. This gives the Australian Navy plenty of time to detect, intercept, and safely manage vessels before they reach shore.

The English Channel, by contrast is the busiest shipping route in the world, with a crossing distance of only 21 miles. This leaves little room to manoeuvre or tow small, overcooked dinghies.

Then where to tow them to? The French will not accept boats turned back from English waters.

You’re seriously trying to say that 21 miles is too narrow to tow a dinghy?

Hilarious.

Ok then…..sink them. They’ll learn.

On 6/13/2026 at 9:43 AM, Gecko123 said:

Ever since that incident where that black kid born in England to immigrant families went on that horrible stabbing spree at a Taylor Swift dance party, I have been wondering whether immigrants face any unique obstacles to socio-economic integration in England.

While I fully empathize with the outrage expressed by many over what they perceive as attacks against traditional British culture, the rabble-rousing street vigilante mob rule approach to resolving this problem seems very counter-productive and short-sighted to me. I believe using social media to enflame anti-immigrant resentments every time one of these unfortunate and tragic incidents occur is counter-productive.

When I Googled "does England present unique obstacles to socio economic integration for immigrants" I found quite an eye-opening and lengthy list of structural obstacles to social and economic integration. While vetting may need to be improved, I do not believe that the immigrants coming to England are a bunch of blood-thirsty savages who have no hope of ever being able to integrate into British society, and I believe using social media to enflame anti-immigrant sentiment every time one of these unfortunate and tragic incidents occur is counter-productive. Again, Googling "does England present unique obstacles to socio economic integration for immigrants" might provide some food for thought.

You are very weird aren't you. Do you think they get a book on arriving instructing them how to be psychotic? I assume you have never been to any of the countries these illegals come from. I Have and they have a very violent way of doing things. Not all of them but a significant section of them.

20 hours ago, baansgr said:

Do you even know the colour of this perp? Sadly it's people like yourself sowing division with ludicrous statements like yours. I trust an apology from you will be forthcoming

Your intellectual dishonesty is breathtaking. The issue isn't what race the perp turned out to be. The issue is what you and the other people who spread the grainy video of the stabbing on social media believed the race of the perp was at the time you posted and described the dance he did as "chimping" and whether they and you did so to dehumanize the perp and stir up racial tensions. On the grainy video, the perp appeared to be a very dark complected man. Are you going to sit there and tell me that played no role in your decision to use the word "chimping" in your original post?

3 hours ago, Airalee said:

Chimping has no racial boundaries. It’s a low IQ thing.

Words often, as is the case here, have multiple definitions. Google "can 'chimping' be used in a racially derogatory sense."

https://www.google.com/search?q=can+chimping+be+used+in+a+racially+derogatory+sense&oq=can+chimping+be+used+in+a+racially+derogatory+sense&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOdIBCTE3MTg5ajBqNKgCALACAQ&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Edited June 14Jun 14 by Gecko123

32 minutes ago, Photoguy21 said:

You are very weird aren't you. Do you think they get a book on arriving instructing them how to be psychotic? I assume you have never been to any of the countries these illegals come from. I Have and they have a very violent way of doing things. Not all of them but a significant section of them.

I don't think you can come up with a shred of evidence that immigrants coming into England are at higher than average risk of engaging in psychotic behavior. In fact, most studies seem to show that they are less likely to engage in criminal activity than native-born citizens.

https://www.google.com/search?q=incidence+of+immigrant+non-terrorist+attacks+by+country&oq=incidence+of+immigrant+non-terrorist+attacks+by+country&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOdIBCTI3ODEyajBqN6gCALACAA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

50 minutes ago, Gecko123 said:

Words often, as is the case here, have multiple definitions. Google "can 'chimping' be used in a racially derogatory sense."

https://www.google.com/search?q=can+chimping+be+used+in+a+racially+derogatory+sense&oq=can+chimping+be+used+in+a+racially+derogatory+sense&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOdIBCTE3MTg5ajBqNKgCALACAQ&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

If the shoe fits…

5 hours ago, Airalee said:

You sound angry. Are you originally from one of those disaster zone failed states still clinging to thousand year old traditions?

I’d be embarassed too.

I’ll bet most of those countries are terrible places to go for a holiday.

Only one of us is a silly wan**r, and its not me.

Edited June 14Jun 14 by Roadsternut

10 minutes ago, Roadsternut said:

Only one of us is a silly wan**r, and its not me.

*it’s

And to quote you….

“Good grief. You're not British with that level of illiteracy. You must be an immigrant of low educational attainment.”

5 hours ago, nexus7 said:

Australia was able to quickly and effectively stop a similar boat invasion in 2013 from Indonesia with its Operation Sovereign Borders policy. No miltarisation and barbed wire on beaches etc required.

Not a similar "boat invasion" by any means.

Distance from Indonesia to Australia 1730miles. Distance from France to Blighty; 21 miles

Types of vessels the Australians dealt with: Trawlers

Types of vessels the British are dealing with: rubber dinghies brought at Lidl

On a clear day you can see the other side from England. The boats crossing the Channel are usually overloaded inflatables making a short hop across one of the busiest waterways on Earth, not larger vessels undertaking lengthy ocean voyages. What worked for Australia worked largely because Australia is Australia. Geography did most of the heavy lifting. The UK simply does not possess the same natural moat.

And there is another myth at the heart of the "just copy Australia" argument. You swallowed the codswallop that warships were turning back flotillas of migrant boats.

Over the first five years of Operation Sovereign Borders, only about 33 boats carrying roughly 800 people were stopped or turned back, at a cost of £700m a year. At the same time, cooperation with neighbouring countries disrupted 78 people-smuggling operations involving more than 2,500 people before they ever reached a boat.

The real success was not a naval one; it was diplomatic. It came from agreements with Indonesia and other regional partners, intelligence sharing, disrupting smuggling networks and stopping journeys before they started.

The patrol boats made good television, but the hard work happened in meeting rooms, police operations and international agreements.

Britain can't tow itself 1000 miles further into the Atlantic, nor can it change the fact that we sit on Europe's doorstep. If there is a lesson from Australia, it's not that gunboats solve migration. but geography matters more, and that the most effective way to stop dangerous crossings is to tackle the problem long before a dinghy reaches the water. And that's long before people reach France or even Europe. Simply they are not the cause of problems, they are a symptom of criminality, fuelled by demand for illicit drugs globally (aided and abetted by hypocritical attitudes to cannabis).

Edited June 14Jun 14 by Roadsternut

2 hours ago, Gecko123 said:

Your intellectual dishonesty is breathtaking. The issue isn't what race the perp turned out to be. The issue is what you and the other people who spread the grainy video of the stabbing on social media believed the race of the perp was at the time you posted and described the dance he did as "chimping" and whether they and you did so to dehumanize the perp and stir up racial tensions. On the grainy video, the perp appeared to be a very dark complected man. Are you going to sit there and tell me that played no role in your decision to use the word "chimping" in your original post?

No...you were the one that said the perp was black..not me....you are the one stirring up racial hatred 👍

@Roadsternut

..."Not a similar "boat invasion" by any means.

Distance from Indonesia to Australia 1730 miles. Distance from France to Blighty; 21 miles..."

A much shorter and easier distance to tow them back then, not the 1000s of miles the Australian navy had to!

"...And there is another myth at the heart of the 'just copy Australia' argument. You swallowed the codswallop that warships were turning back flotillas of migrant boats.

Over the first five years of Operation Sovereign Borders, only about 33 boats carrying roughly 800 people were stopped or turned back, at a cost of £700m a year..."

33x800=26,400 illegals. Sounds like quite an armada!

Or did you mean 800 in total?

If so, don't know where you get your figures from. The BBC, which is pro-migration, states in 2013, 20,000 tried to make the journey in 300 boats, not 800 in 33 boats.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-64898507

Just accept it. There is precedent for stopping illegal migration in boats in large numbers and Australia did it very successfully.

However, if you choose to ignore this and stick by your argument, good for you.

Edited June 14Jun 14 by nexus7

4 hours ago, BarraMarra said:

They might be Junkies, crack heads but they don't randomly stab people in the streets or try and decapitate innocents.

Jamie Bulger was decapitated. They stuck him on a train line to see his head fall off. And they hadn't even started on the crack, maybe moondust.

There are about 50,000 stabbings a year (https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/crime-outcomes-in-england-and-wales-2024-to-2025/crime-outcomes-in-england-and-wales-2024-to-2025), and about 1 in 5 male murders are by strangers (for women, overwhelmingly, they know their killer, lets assume 5% of female murders are by stangers) (https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/articles/homicideinenglandandwales/yearendingmarch2023).

80% of stabbings have a male victim.

There is no dataset to support your supposition that most random attacks are carried out by immigrants, illegal or otherwise.

The presence of drug addicts among murderers, has been rising; one in two murders is committed by a drug addict. 1 in 4 murders by a drug dealer (https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/articles/homicideinenglandandwales/yearendingmarch2023)

Lets assume the proportions are similar among those who try to murder compared to those who succeed.

8500 people a year are randomly stabbed each year. 4250 are stabbed by so-called crackheads. A further 2125 are stabbed by crackhead dealers, presumably for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. So there are about 2125 random stabbings we need to sort out who is carrying them out.

Surprisingly, only about 11% of murders involve someone who is or recently was a mental health patient

https://sites.manchester.ac.uk/ncish/projects/homicide-and-mental-illness-in-england/

So my pool of random stabbings that didn't involve drugs or mental health is 1275 people.. That's 24 a week. You are getting worked up by one, but seemingly not concerned about the other 23 that must be in the papers some place. Ah, unless social media magnifies one assault over all others, to rage bait you, and to deflect you from the real problem, which is drug use in the UK, and people's often ambivalent view of drugs, often expressed on this forum.

And where do these drugs come from. Often from the same places people are fleeing from. Drug profits fuel wars. Drug production is often the cause of war. War generates refugees. Sort the wars out, and you will go a long way to sorting out your problem with too many brown people. Sort out the demand for drugs, even so-called harmless ones, and some of these wars will run out of money.

Of course, not easy, likely very expensive. But better to direct the money at the root of the problem.

The analogy is that you have mice in your house. You could deal with them by killing the mice. But more mice will come in, because you not sorted the filthy mess you leave your pit in. Its an imperfect analogy that I think will fall apart, but it comes to mind.

15 minutes ago, nexus7 said:

..."Not a similar "boat invasion" by any means.

Distance from Indonesia to Australia 1730 miles. Distance from France to Blighty; 21 miles..."

A much shorter and easier distance to tow them back then, not the 1000s of miles the Australian navy had to.

"...And there is another myth at the heart of the 'just copy Australia' argument. You swallowed the codswallop that warships were turning back flotillas of migrant boats.

Over the first five years of Operation Sovereign Borders, only about 33 boats carrying roughly 800 people were stopped or turned back, at a cost of £700m a year..."

33x800=26,400 illegals. Sounds like quite an armada!

Or did you mean 800 in total?

If so, don't know where you get your figures from. The BBC, which is pro-migration, states 20,000 tried to make the journey in 2013, not 800.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-64898507

Just accept it. There is precedent for stopping illegal migration in boats in large numbers and Australia did it very successfully.

However, if you choose to ignore this and stick by your argument, good for you, you're welcome to it!

=

33 boats carrying 800 people in total, not per boat.

It indicates that the Australian Navy was only able to intercept a small proportion of boats, and that most illegal immigrants in Australia enter by air. The reductions were achieved not through interceptions at sea, but through diplomacy.

20,000 people per year by sea (its a guess by the Australians, by definition illegal immigrants disappear into the black economy). 24 people per boat. So about 800 boats a year, hitting mostly the Western and Northern sides of Australia, which are mostly uninhabited. That's about 21,000kms of coastline to protect. Assuming the Australian navy patrolled out to about 200kms, that is about 4.2 million kms, about the size of India.

Operation Sovereign Border, at any one time, involved 7 patrol boats, a couple of frigates and a support vessel during the cyclone season. You seriously think they went anywhere near intercepting about 2 boats a day? They intercepted about 1 boat a month.

33 boats is over a 5 year period

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/operation-sovereign-borders-blocked-33-boats-in-five-years/3jm4g00gp

The Australian newspaper published figures on Wednesday claiming there were 33 boats stopped or turned back since the policy began in 2013, with around 800 asylum-seekers on board in total.

Co-operation between Australian agencies and those in neighbouring countries had disrupted another 78 smuggling operations with another 2,525 people that never made it on to boats, according to the data.

So you have focused on the apparent success of the Royal Australian Navy. You spent the last 10 years of your life thinking they have picked up 20,000 when in fact its just a few hundred, and lots of sailors had jollies.

once you start bringing up crimes years ago and bringing up knife crimes in England you have lost Roasdsternut its about a random attack by an illegal immigrant now not 20 odd years ago. Why won't you accept these attackers should not even be in the country if the government did what there supposed to do ie protect the homeland.

Edited June 14Jun 14 by BarraMarra

On 6/13/2026 at 8:13 AM, BarraMarra said:

These illegals arriving and given houses in HMOs bring there culture with them where its ok to kill or rape

Can you give a quick list where it is legal to kill or rape anybody? Maybe a few links supporting this your legal claim?

Just looking, if you might have a coherent argument, though I doubt it.

Im not doing it for you google where the most sex crime illegals come from and there culture of females then come back and post what you found.