Russian president Vladimir Putin has ordered his military to find ways in which Russia can launch new offensive operations on Ukraine to capture Kyiv, said Ukraine’s commander-in-chief Oleksandr Syrskyi.

These include Russian offensives launched from Belarusian territory to capture the Ukrainian capital and its surrounding areas, Syrskyi said.

Another scenario includes a strike from Russia's bordering Bryansk region towards Ukraine’s Chernihiv region, which is the most probable scenario, he said.

Ukraine live: 'Putin ordered army to plan new ways to capture Kyiv'

russia is incapable of the combined arms maneuvers necessary to capture kiev

6 hours ago, Yagoda said:

russia is incapable of the combined arms maneuvers necessary to capture kiev

That doesn't mean they won't try, and break a few things.

I suspect though this war has resulted in most of the assumptions about combined arms manoeuvre to be redundant. A core principal of combined arms was the ability to concentrate forces without being detected. Historically, combined arms depended on massing tanks, infantry, engineers, artillery, and logistics at decisive points.e battlefield has become extraordinarily transparent. Cheap commercial drones, military UAVs, satellites, electronic intelligence, and social media mean it is much harder to concentrate forces without being detected. The Ukrainian military are literally using Uber taxi ride apps to call in artillery strikes. In Ukraine, large formations assembling for an attack are often located within minutes.

Precision strike capability has proliferated. Once detected, forces can be attacked by FPV drones costing hundreds of dollars, loitering munitions, precision artillery, rocket systems, attack helicopters, or missiles. The result is that dense armoured formations—the classic image of combined arms manoeuvre—have become highly vulnerable. Drone evolution is so rapid, that in this war, designs have a lifespan of 8 weeks; Western approaches to design and procurement can't keep up with this.

Mines have returned on an unprecedented scale. Both sides have laid minefields measured in kilometres rather than hundreds of metres, often reseeded continuously by artillery-delivered scatterable mines. Engineers can breach these obstacles, but doing so under constant drone observation is vastly more difficult than NATO doctrine anticipated. There have been enormous losses of sappers, on both sides, in this war. NATO doctrine depended on these Sappers for break throughs. In the 21st Century, Sappers are true special ops soldiers who cannot be easily replaced.

Electronic warfare has transformed the battlespace. Both sides routinely jam GPS, radio communications, drone control frequencies, and data links. Coordinating armour, infantry, artillery, engineers, and aviation—the essence of combined arms—has become significantly more difficult. The was Al Carns' point at Chatham House.

Attrition has dominated over manoeuvre. Much of the war has resembled an industrial contest in which artillery, drones, logistics, and production capacity matter at least as much as operational brilliance. Instead of rapid penetrations, gains are often measured in hundreds of metres.

But your charge that both sides of incapable of combined arms is fallacious. Ukrainian offensives in Kharkiv Oblast in 2022 and Russian advances in parts of Donetsk Oblast have depended on integrating reconnaissance, artillery, electronic warfare, infantry, armour, engineers, logistics, and increasingly drones. Those drones are a new arm, that the Ukrainian and Russian militaries are learning to use. Western and American militaries have not. The West hasn't fought a peer adversary for 81 years. There are new rules of warfare being developed in this war. We are into the age of "Distributed Combined Arms" or "Drone-Enabled Manoeuvre". The rule book is still being developed.

Evidence of the lack of preparation for this drone threat is evidenced from the performance of US and allied forces in the Persian Gulf; I'm not referring to offensive capabilities, but the inability to defend airbases. You need to go back nearly 60 years, to the Tet Offensive, when the US lost significant numbers of aircraft on the ground due to Vietnamese unguided missile fire. The Iranian hits were clearly much more tactical; they focused on tankers and reconnaissance aircraft. The Americans should listen to the Ukrainians more (famously, they dismissed Ukrainian inventiveness, forgetting that in the days of the USSR, Ukraine was the engineering jewel).

5 minutes ago, Roadsternut said:

That doesn't mean they won't try, and break a few thing

so where did you copy and paste that from lol. ai evidently. chance to put your digs in against the usa, the only country other than israel who can do combined arms,

which, as you admit, the russians cant

The problem here is that if you corner a dangerous beast, it gets desperate and strikes back 1000 times harder.

And I always thought that by the rules of war and the Geneva Conventions of war, that attacking civilian vital structures like electric plants, water reservoirs, oil refineries and similar, is a war crime ?

Ukraine is openly commiting war crimes here. They are enhancing the tensions and will end up in drawing the rest of the world in their war with Russia. Time for Europe and America to wake up and stop supplying military logistics to the regime in Ukraine.

Not that the Russians are any better, far from that. But the odds are that the Russians who are a nuclear power, will obviously strike back and real hard. This it will or could leave Europe and maybe the rest of the world with no choice but to step in.

5 minutes ago, SingAPorn said:

Ukraine is openly commiting war crimes here

so is russia. scumbag vs scumbag.

3 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

so is russia. scumbag vs scumbag.

Yes but the Ukraines don't have nukes. Russia does. And that could end up in becomming everybody's problem if things escalate. Get the point ?

7 hours ago, Yagoda said:

russia is incapable of the combined arms maneuvers necessary to capture kiev

putin, like trump on iran, is flailing. doomed, both of them trapped in forever wars of their own making

17 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

so where did you copy and paste that from lol. ai evidently. chance to put your digs in against the usa, the only country other than israel who can do combined arms,

which, as you admit, the russians cant

and the combined arms of america and israel have been a military success where now?

...crickets

5 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

putin, like trump on iran, is flailing. doomed, both of them trapped in forever wars of their own making

they are mainly learning the harsh and hard way that the trillions spent on their respective military hardware is no match against swarms of homemade drones. Hopefully the rest of the world will wake up and reassign and reconsider their military budget spending and funding.

4 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

putin, like trump on iran, is flailing. doomed, both of them trapped in forever wars of their own making

except trumps enemy is defenseless and can be eradicated at our leisure.

a 3 month forever war indeed.....trump insanity has warped your mind lol

4 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

and the combined arms of america and israel have been a military success where now?

...crickets

iran, gaza, ww2.

need more than 2 mins for crickets. lol.

Edited July 1Jul 1 by Yagoda

13 minutes ago, SingAPorn said:

Yes but the Ukraines don't have nukes. Russia does. And that could end up in becomming everybody's problem if things escalate. Get the point ?

russia wont lauch nukes

4 minutes ago, SingAPorn said:

hey are mainly learning the harsh and hard way that the trillions spent on their respective military hardware is no match against swarms of homemade drones

hows iran doing btw. would you call hangin on to life a victory.

iran exists because we let it exist

17 minutes ago, SingAPorn said:

The problem here is that if you corner a dangerous beast, it gets desperate and strikes back 1000 times harder.

And I always thought that by the rules of war and the Geneva Conventions of war, that attacking civilian vital structures like electric plants, water reservoirs, oil refineries and similar, is a war crime ?

Ukraine is openly commiting war crimes here. They are enhancing the tensions and will end up in drawing the rest of the world in their war with Russia. Time for Europe and America to wake up and stop supplying military logistics to the regime in Ukraine.

Not that the Russians are any better, far from that. But the odds are that the Russians who are a nuclear power, will obviously strike back and real hard. This it will or could leave Europe and maybe the rest of the world with no choice but to step in.

Q. Who totally obliterated the steelworks during the siege of Mariupol in 2022?

Clue: It wasn't Ukraine

Q. Who subsequently stripped the two destroyed steelworks of every last scrap of equipment and steel and shipped it home?

Clue: See clue above.

Q. Who can't tell a war crime from a hole in the ground?

Clue: @SingAPorn

9 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

except trumps enemy is defenseless and can be eradicated at our leisure.

a 3 month forever war indeed.....trump insanity has warped your mind lol

defenseless?

eradicated?

you sniffing that glue again?

1 minute ago, NanLaew said:

Q. Who totally obliterated the steelworks during the siege of Mariupol in 2022?

Clue: It wasn't Ukraine

Q. Who subsequently stripped the two destroyed steelworks of every last scrap of equipment and steel and shipped it home?

Clue: See clue above.

Q. Who can't tell a war crime from a hole in the ground?

Clue: @SingAPorn

Who has been bombing the Donbass (Ukraine) since 2014 and the Maidan Revolution ?

Hint : Not Russia.

Who has ignored all the protests of Russia against the bombing of these regions of Ukraine that are Russian speaking ?

Hint : Not Russia.

Who has nukes ?

Hint ; Not Ukraine

Who is brainwashed by the propaganda and Russophobia in the media ?

Hint ; a thumbs down

9 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

iran, gaza, ww2.

need more than 2 mins for crickets. lol.

korea, vietnam, afghanistan

ok, i'll give you grenada

2 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

korea, vietnam, afghanistan

ok, i'll give you grenada

korea wasnt an american war

vietnam was a tactical loss and strategic victory

Edited July 1Jul 1 by Yagoda
damn left out a word again

6 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

defenseless?

eradicated?

you sniffing that glue again?

tell us about iranian air defenses then. tell us how they could stop a bombing campaign. how is their economy btw?

you rendered insane by trump?

11 hours ago, SingAPorn said:

Yes but the Ukraines don't have nukes. Russia does. And that could end up in becomming everybody's problem if things escalate. Get the point ?

The Chinese won't let Russia use nukes...

1 hour ago, candide said:

The Chinese won't let Russia use nukes...

a bit like the UN that does not allow Israel's genocide ?

2 hours ago, SingAPorn said:

a bit like the UN that does not allow Israel's genocide ?

A bit like China is holding Putin by the balls. 😃

Edited July 2Jul 2 by candide

22 hours ago, NanLaew said:

korea, vietnam, afghanistan

ok, i'll give you grenada

Don't forget Panama.