29 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

You don't have to give up your rights. Just need stricter gun laws.

I sold guns for years before I moved to Thailand. The background check is done through the database , which shows all convictions. Any domestic violence or felonies you can't buy a gun. This cannot stop those who are young and a time bomb waiting to explode, who haven't been arrested yet. It also can't stop those who get guns illegally.

Most gun deaths in the USA are gang related or suicides. Gangs will get guns illegally and those with depression are also on a short fuse, but just against themselves. Changing the laws to age 21 is a smart idea, but again, it won't stop mental illness from happening, as that begins either at home from neglect or abuse, or some are born anti social, although that's quite rare.

The only thing that stops a gun is another gun, meaning armed school guards and teachers in schools, and those who are armed legally themselves. Penalties should be harsh of course, but many of those who go haywire end up killing themselves or death by police, so it's prevention beforehand that can help.

ALL guns locked in cabinets by owners. A possible psychological done before a gun sale, which takes time but if you want to buy a gun, for legal means, you can surely plan ahead and wait.

The AR-15 is not an assault rifle, as that's a full auto. Making a 5 round magazine the maximum can help, as you don't need anymore rounds to hunt or target shoot. The problem there is that some handguns have magazines of 30 or more, and two handguns can shoot a lot of people, especially with extra magazines. It's mostly about keeping guns away from the disturbed, and seeing they come looking like everyday people, it's only that psychological that might help more.

It's not about Maga as many Americans aren't labeled that way, but still want guns safe and out of the hands of maniacs.

2 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Try listening to the majority of Americans including gun owners for a change. They want safe storage laws, universal background checks, raising legal age to own arms and red flag laws. Maga folks like you opposed strict gun laws and policies to own firearms including assualt firearms lke the AR-15. They also opposed Red Flag laws. Maga want more freedom to own firearms and AR-15. You asked and I have provided.

Is it really necessary to insult me ? I asked you a direct question.

Raising the legal age to what ? Do you even know what it it is now ? Don't cheat.
Its 18 in most places, you know why ? Because you can enter the military and are considered an adult.
Except when it comes to the religious people, you can't drink until you're 21. Go figure. lol
Storage laws and universal background checks are already happening.
Oh, universal means something different to you ? Ok, so what exactly is that ?
Nobody in their right mind would be for "red flag laws" Theres a reason they've been removed from most places.
There is no such thing as an assault firearm, thats a made up media term. Maybe you're smarter than everyone else and can describe one for the class.

So what I'm hearing is a lot of feelings and no actionable items, thats because the things you listed already exist.
As an American, I owned as many as I wanted. I sold over 1000 of them before I moved here. So what.

2 minutes ago, Slowhand225 said:

Except when it comes to the religious people, you can't drink until you're 21. Go figure. lol

You can thank Mothers Against Drunk Driving and the federal government for threatening to withhold highway funds as an incentive to raise the legal drinking age from 18 to 21.

16 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

I sold guns for years before I moved to Thailand. The background check is done through the database , which shows all convictions. Any domestic violence or felonies you can't buy a gun. This cannot stop those who are young and a time bomb waiting to explode, who haven't been arrested yet. It also can't stop those who get guns illegally.

Most gun deaths in the USA are gang related or suicides. Gangs will get guns illegally and those with depression are also on a short fuse, but just against themselves. Changing the laws to age 21 is a smart idea, but again, it won't stop mental illness from happening, as that begins either at home from neglect or abuse, or some are born anti social, although that's quite rare.

The only thing that stops a gun is another gun, meaning armed school guards and teachers in schools, and those who are armed legally themselves. Penalties should be harsh of course, but many of those who go haywire end up killing themselves or death by police, so it's prevention beforehand that can help. ALL guns locked in cabinets by owners. A possible psychological done before a gun sale, which takes time but if you want to buy a gun, for legal means, you can surely plan ahead and wait.

If I am not wrong, 1 in 5 gun transactions occur without a background checks, particularly through private transactions, online or gun show sales. So a rehash of stricter laws are critical. Even the legal age laws and safe storage laws are not federal and needed addressing. Most gun deaths are suicide related and gun possession play a big part. Lastly, I don't think arming schools etc will deter shooting. Infact it may open up to accidental shootings and more access to guns in schools making it less safe.

11 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Try listening to the majority of Americans including gun owners for a change. They want safe storage laws, universal background checks, raising legal age to own arms and red flag laws. Maga folks like you opposed strict gun laws and policies to own firearms including assualt firearms lke the AR-15. They also opposed Red Flag laws. Maga want more freedom to own firearms and AR-15. You asked and I have provided.

want safe storage laws ... have

universal background checks ... have

raise age limit ... against that, as you join military, and kill for country & corporation at 18, so you should be able defend yourself in home country.

Nobody (very few) buy 'assault' weapons. The AR-15 is not an assault weapon, just a nice rifle, like so many other rifles. Just happens to have a military look to it. Which if wanting, you can dress up any rifle to look 'military'. Far more powerful rifles out there, than AR-15.

Don't need any more freedom to own firearms, as legal to all, with some restrictions and common sense rules. Location dependent.

Most folks DO NOT oppose strict or stricter gun laws or do they really want or need more. What they need is enforcement, as I pointed out in earlier post, most lefties ignored and didn't comment on. Although, I didn't leave much to debate, as simply the system failure of judges & DAs, being major part of the problem.

Drug cartels & the family parental breakdown, being the other major parts of the problem, and why high deaths by firearms.

Stay away from drugs & Aholes, and your chances of being shot, or need to shoot someone, are almost non existent. Most people shot in the land of drugs, or by someone they know, that they may or not, have pissed off.

HINT: don't screw people over, especially a lover, sex partner

6 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

If I am not wrong, 1 in 5 gun transactions occur without a background checks, particularly through private transactions, online or gun show sales. So a rehash of stricter laws are critical. Even the legal age laws and safe storage laws are not federal and needed addressing. Most gun deaths are suicide related and gun possession play a big part. Lastly, I don't think arming schools etc will deter shooting. Infact it may open up to accidental shootings and more access to guns in schools making it less safe.

Yes, those without a FFL like I had can sell privately, which is a problem, although most of those are still to legitimate buyers looking for deals. Gun show salesmen do have FFL's also so many sales do have background checks. People who commit suicide with a gun will do it no matter what. It is easier but if they're determined, nothing will stop them.

If all schools had armed guards and metal detectors, it would tremendously cut down on shootings, and especially multiple shootings. They would be off duty policemen for the most part, or hired security, both of whom are trained with weapons. The Uvalde incident in Texas, where the police were afraid to enter, would have been halted if a teacher had a gun.

1 hour ago, Eric Loh said:

You don't have to give up your rights. Just need stricter gun laws.

Or more likely in his case stricter drug laws/controls!

9 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

If I am not wrong, 1 in 5 gun transactions occur without a background checks, particularly through private transactions, online or gun show sales. So a rehash of stricter laws are critical. Even the legal age laws and safe storage laws are not federal and needed addressing. Most gun deaths are suicide related and gun possession play a big part. Lastly, I don't think arming schools etc will deter shooting. Infact it may open up to accidental shootings and more access to guns in schools making it less safe.

1 in 5 gun transactions. Are those legal transfers of ownership or are we including theft ? It matters.
There is no "Gun Show" loop hole. Thats also a made up media term.
In free states we are not required to do a BG check on face to face sales. Why should we ? Cars kill far more people and theres no BG check required for that.
You may not like it but its the law.
I used to sell guns in a Starbucks parking lot with my coffee. Nobody cared and nobody ever died.

You don't "think" armed teachers will reduce the risk of school shooting, hmm. You know the only place there are shooting ? Mostly gun free zones, do you understand why ? Because the cowards know they'll be safe.

48 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Try listening to the majority of Americans including gun owners for a change. They want safe storage laws, universal background checks, raising legal age to own arms and red flag laws. Maga folks like you opposed strict gun laws and policies to own firearms including assualt firearms lke the AR-15. They also opposed Red Flag laws. Maga want more freedom to own firearms and AR-15. You asked and I have provided.

Why is the AR15 so special?

4 hours ago, Effective altruism said:

Why is the AR15 so special?

Because it looks like an army gun. Cosplaying ultimately.

According to ai usa has 5% population but accounts for 73% of mass shooting when compared to the "west" no competition there then you are proudly no 1

54 minutes ago, Roadsternut said:

Because it looks like an army gun. Cosplaying ultimately.

Riclag and Yagoda on a lunch date, awwwwww.

I have been thinking about moving to China.

I have been thinking about doing so during recent years.

IMHO, what even the Chinese do not comprehend is that their country is looking FAR BETTER.....

Far better, as these years unfold.

After about 50 years in China, China just keeps getting better.

My only possible question before moving is how can I get completely unfettered access to the Internet.

If I can do this, then I think China is for me.

When I was 20, I knew that China was the greatest kingdom in all the world.

50 years, since then, and China just continues to get better as the old guard falls by the wayside, and as younger Chinese replace the fallen.

Not sure how I will do this, but I really think China is where I should be.

Also, I prefer to live in a homogeneous society, just due to the relative greater stability and cohesiveness of living in such.

Concerning Medical Needs: I think I can address this question, too.

But, back to the Topic: I really think that living in China will be better for me, just to avoid so much in the West, such as news like what is included in this headline.

I will leave you guys behind, but still check-in, from time to time...

Take care, my brothers: Stiff Upper Lip, and all that......

===============

China will become the winner, from the perspective of the best place to live, during the next few decades....maybe....

11 hours ago, bannork said:

You're right, you can't fix stupid. So ban guns for God's sake because once stupid gets his hands on a gun who knows how many will die.

If this murderer had had nothing but a knife it's possible some of his kids may have had a chance to survive his rampage.

Now ban cars then you can safe an other 100+ people a day.

2 minutes ago, digger70 said:

Now ban cars then you can safe an other 100+ people a day.

You can't compare guns and cars.

A car's primary function is to transport people from A to B which is what happens in nearly every instance. Any accident is indeed that, an accident ( except for madmen) and is not the main purpose of a car.

A gun's primary function however, is to harm or kill an individual or animal. That is its purpose. Not the same as a car.

18 hours ago, impulse said:

Apparently, 7 of the kids were his and he killed them in their sleep. That's not a gun control problem. That's something else.

Authorities revealed that Elkins was the father to seven of these children, while the eighth victim was his nephew. The specific identity of the cousin among the victims has not been disclosed.

According to Christopher Bordelon, a spokesman for the Shreveport Police Department, most of the children suffered fatal gunshot wounds to the head while they were asleep.

https://internewscast.com/news/us/eight-children-identified-in-louisiana-shooting-involving-former-army-veteran-shamar-elkins/

18 hours ago, KhunLA said:

Stronger gun laws don't work when you have weak judges, and lax enforcement of current laws. What should have been 2 prior felony convictions, and banned from owning or buying a firearm in the future, turned into a slap on the wrist.

Probation for discharging a weapon in public, when no immediate threat to his safety. Aside from carrying on school grounds. Laws with no bite, when not enforced.

Yes, the system is broken ...

Plea bargained to a misdemeanor, with other felony charge dropped. WTF

And now you know the rest of the story,He should of never been allowed to posses a weapon. Trump admin if allowed would "help alleviate" the problem of illegal guns in the hands of those who shouldn't have them in the first place. Its not the guns its the sick leftist bureaucrats who don't enforce the laws on the books.

https://nypost.com/2026/04/20/us-news/louisiana-shooter-shamar-elkins-previously-convicted-of-firing-gun-near-school/

19 hours ago, Slowhand225 said:

Strong background checks. You have this already
Training/testing. We used to have it in our schools and we never had school shooting.

Safe Storage. You have that requirement and trigger locks already
Domestic abusers, you also have that already. Its policy of every department to remove guns when someone has been arrested for DV.
Provide a reason for CC. You have that already too AND the training that comes with it.

So just what would you add to this list that would help you sleep at night ?
Everything you want already exists except outlawing guns in America, that will never happen.
Clearly, the guns aren't the issue, its the people. You only need to look at the EU etc. where they've done just that only to have people killed with knives and such. The death rate didn't drop, just the method.

You'll also notice the poster placed emphasis on semi automatic...but said nothing needs d9ne about hand guns.

Yet.......

Hand guns account for approx 60 percent of all murders in the USA.

2 hours ago, bannork said:

You can't compare guns and cars.

A car's primary function is to transport people from A to B which is what happens in nearly every instance. Any accident is indeed that, an accident ( except for madmen) and is not the main purpose of a car.

A gun's primary function however, is to harm or kill an individual or animal. That is its purpose. Not the same as a car.

Also to protect innocents from criminals and terrorists, as well as target shooting, done by millions of people. Just another tool, although not the same as a car's.

13 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Also to protect innocents from criminals and terrorists, as well as target shooting, done by millions of people. Just another tool, although not the same as a car's.

The innocents need guns to protect themselves from criminals with guns, lol

But most ' developed' countries have strict laws banning anyone from possession of a gun, and it works.

Unfortunately in the US there is resistance to this idea, too many guns in circulation.

And so the innocent continue to die.

2 hours ago, bannork said:

You can't compare guns and cars.

A car's primary function is to transport people from A to B which is what happens in nearly every instance. Any accident is indeed that, an accident ( except for madmen) and is not the main purpose of a car.

A gun's primary function however, is to harm or kill an individual or animal. That is its purpose. Not the same as a car.

You can't just sit on the fence.
So which is the problem for you
Scary guns

or

The deaths of humans ?

Many more people die in cars every day compared to death by a gun, including suicides which, are also mostly done with guns.
You know what cars and guns have in common ?
Neither of them will just up and decide to kill you, it take a human in both cases to do anything.

So which is it ?

4 minutes ago, bannork said:

The innocents need guns to protect themselves from criminals with guns, lol

But most ' developed' countries have strict laws banning anyone from possession of a gun, and it works.

Unfortunately in the US there is resistance to this idea, too many guns in circulation.

And so the innocent continue to die.

4 minutes ago, bannork said:

Yes, we do have the police and armed forces, but they can't be everywhere. Innocents die every day in every country from criminals, and they all don't use guns. You're not going to stop hunters, so the only recourse is what I mentioned earlier, along with harsher penalties for those who don't end up killing themselves after going on a killing spree.

15 hours ago, digger70 said:

What about the worst one of all . Approximately 100 to 110 people die in motor vehicle crashes every day in the United States,

Are they going to Ban Motor vehicles?

It's not about guns it's about People , one can't fix stupid .

If there are no guns the stupid ones will use something else.

True you cannot fix stupid.......

Banning motor vehicles is a false equivalence.

The motor vehicle has become existential to modern life; the gun is unnecessary.

1 hour ago, bannork said:

The innocents need guns to protect themselves from criminals with guns, lol

But most ' developed' countries have strict laws banning anyone from possession of a gun, and it works.

Unfortunately in the US there is resistance to this idea, too many guns in circulation.

And so the innocent continue to die.

That's false, and quite the opposite according to AI ...

Australia, always mentioned as an example of guns banned, has more firearms, than before stricter laws were passed.

Get out of here with your FACTS, they don't want facts.

1 hour ago, LosLobo said:

True you cannot fix stupid.......

Banning motor vehicles is a false equivalence.

The motor vehicle has become existential to modern life; the gun is unnecessary.

Guns are necessary for many things. if you mean in anyone's hands besides the police and armed forces, then it comes down to guns should only be in the hands of responsible citizens. The trouble with that is that they aren't being totally responsible if they just leave them around for a child to find, a teen to use in shootings, or someone to steal for criminal acts. A lot of the shootings can be curtailed by that alone, along with arming people in all schools, which would stop all shootings before they start, or before many are killed.

The more responsible, legitimate gun owners there are, the less random shootings will take place, as most gun owners in the west are hunters and target shooters, and it's rare for one of them to go and shoot innocents. If a criminal thinks someone is armed, especially in a house, the less chance they'll try anything, even though some don't care.

1 hour ago, KhunLA said:

That's false, and quite the opposite according to AI ...

Australia, always mentioned as an example of guns banned, has more firearms, than before stricter laws were passed.

Australia has loopholes in its laws, for example allowing individuals to own many guns.

It doesn't detract from the fact that nations with strict gun laws naturally have fewer guns in circulation, and thus fewer murders due to firearms.

15 minutes ago, bannork said:

Australia has loopholes in its laws, for example allowing individuals to own many guns.

It doesn't detract from the fact that nations with strict gun laws naturally have fewer guns in circulation, and thus fewer murders due to firearms.

Does AU have drug cartels controlling whole neighbors, with turf wars happening daily.

Does AU have a whole demographic of their population with more than 50% living in single parent family.

He shot seven of his kids. That’s sick.

35 minutes ago, bannork said:

Australia has loopholes in its laws, for example allowing individuals to own many guns.

It doesn't detract from the fact that nations with strict gun laws naturally have fewer guns in circulation, and thus fewer murders due to firearms.

The murder rate only drops for the first year, then it grows to more deaths than there were before the ban, with few exceptions.

6 minutes ago, TedG said:

He shot seven of his kids. That’s sick.

Definitely a mental illness issue, not a firearm issue.

A firearm, like a knife, ax, hammer, vehicle, doesn't kill anyone. The operator of does. People kill people.

Judges & DAs allow people who shouldn't have firearm, to have access to them. You'll never stop nutters from harming people.

You can stop good, legal people from protecting themselves from nutters & criminals, if they aren't allowed to have firearms.

You'll never stop bad people with intent to harm people, only make it easier, by restricting good people from protecting themselves.