5 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

OK , can you show that this wasn't an attack on Jewish related premises ?

If you can show that I was wrong then I will retract my claim

You didn't claim that, you claimed the alleged arson "was part of numerous attacks on Jewish related people /buildings", the police are only investigating that. The police do not know that, thus, you do not know that. You admit that, right? 🙂

As for the building, a Muslim educational group put down a deposit of 235,000 GBP months ago to create an Islamic education group, on the building that has been unused for more than half a decade.

https://www.thejc.com/community/muslim-group-puts-down-deposit-to-buy-east-london-synagogue-bsaux3tz

The gates are set on fire, probably just a few kids playing around, but it's a crime against Jews, apparently.

That Muslims have put down nearly quarter of a million GBP to turn it into an Islamic learning center obviously doesn't fit the narrative of everyone is out get the Jewry. 😁

On 5/2/2026 at 2:37 PM, JimHuaHin said:

People who are not visibly Jewish living in Israel or neighbouring countries are regularly targeted by the Zionist Israeli government. Just ask the people of Gaza, Palestine and Lebanon, for example.

And if you are living in the USA, if you are not white, Trump's Nazi storm-troopers, aka ICE, are hunting you.

The people of Gaza, Palestine and Lebanon are generally not in Israel. What are you on about?

11 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

You didn't show the full picture .

Building with Star of David is adjacent .

Which wasn't attacked, damaged, or suffered from any kind of arson.... 🙂

The adjacent building with a star of David on it wasn't attacked by anyone.

Attack on Jews everybody!!!!! 🙂

Thank you for so perfectly showing this wasn't an attack on Jews.

The Jew insignia building, and Jew insignia was not attacked in anyway whatsoever. 🙂

5 minutes ago, Packer said:

You didn't claim that, you claimed the alleged arson "was part of numerous attacks on Jewish related people /buildings", the police are only investigating that. The police do not know that, thus, you do not know that. You admit that, right? 🙂

As for the building, a Muslim educational group put down a deposit of 235,000 GBP months ago to create an Islamic education group, on the building that has been unused for more than half a decade.

https://www.thejc.com/community/muslim-group-puts-down-deposit-to-buy-east-london-synagogue-bsaux3tz

The gates are set on fire, probably just a few kids playing around, but it's a crime against Jews, apparently.

That Muslims have put down nearly quarter of a million GBP to turn it into an Islamic learning center obviously doesn't fit the narrative of everyone is out get the Jewry. 😁

So, who is responsible for the attack ?

Edited so Packer cannot reply

"you made a typo"

5 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

who is responble for the attack ?

The police are investigating, what part of that do you not understand? 😅

It's apparently an attack on Jews. Those kids need way better aim if so! 😂

How do the Jews dream up such nonsense. 😅

17 minutes ago, Packer said:

The Jew insignia building, and Jew insignia was not attacked in anyway whatsoever.

You really are afraid of Jews 55555555555

11 minutes ago, Packer said:

The police are investigating, what part of that do you not understand? 😅

Related Events: This incident is part of a series of recent attacks targeting Jewish sites in London. 

The fire fits into a pattern that has rocked London’s Jewish communities in recent weeks, with a series of arsons at synagogues causing little damage but great concern. Police have arrested dozens of people they say are connected to the incidents or otherwise pose threats to Jewish communities, some of whom they have accused of spying on or acting against London Jews on behalf of the Iranian regime. A

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

causing little damage but great concern.

I'm sure it does.

The ex-Jew building 1 meter away is left completely untouched. Jew insignia 1 meter away is left completely untouched. The Jewry: We're being attacked!!!! 😅

Such funny creatures. 🙂

2 minutes ago, Packer said:

I'm sure it does.

The ex-Jew building 1 meter away is left completely untouched. Jew insignia 1 meter away is left completely untouched. The Jewry: We're being attacked!!!! 😅

Such funny creatures. 🙂

Fire has this terrible habit of spreading .

Could be an inside insurance Job or Muslims trying to get the building on the cheap .

You do seem to support the Islamification of the UK .

10 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Fire has this terrible habit of spreading .

The building that isn't a Jew building wasn't attacked.

Fire can spread!! We're being attacked!! Even though the building isn't a Jew building, and even though it was it wasn't attacked!! They're attacking us!!! Jews are being attacked!!! 🤣

19 minutes ago, Packer said:

Such funny creatures.

🙂

7 minutes ago, Packer said:

The building that isn't a Jew building wasn't attacked.

Fire can spread!! We're being attacked!! Even though the building isn't a Jew building, and even though it was it wasn't attacked!! They're attacking us!!! Jews are being attacked!!! 🤣

🙂

So disregard this arson attack, and lets concentrate on the Jew buildings/coaches/people that have been attacked

On 5/2/2026 at 12:37 AM, JimHuaHin said:

People who are not visibly Jewish living in Israel or neighbouring countries are regularly targeted by the Zionist Israeli government. Just ask the people of Gaza, Palestine and Lebanon, for example.

And if you are living in the USA, if you are not white, Trump's Nazi storm-troopers, aka ICE, are hunting you.

But you know that the Trump family is all mixed with the Jews. And Trump, himself, is a ...Christian??? Trump's inspirations do not come from reading the bible or showing love for Jesus Christ. Completely the opposite, his spiritual guide is the Rebbe. Yeah, BTW, I think the Kosher population of the USA is more than 2%.

4 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Fire has this terrible habit of spreading .

Could be an inside insurance Job or Muslims trying to get the building on the cheap .

You do seem to support the Islamification of the UK .

Maybe you should ask Barbara Lerner Spectre to see if she approves the Islamification of the UK.

On 5/2/2026 at 12:12 AM, Jingthing said:

An apt time to bring up this book:

In the video before it was brought up that when people march against racism they aren't including hatred against Jews as part of the racism they oppose.

That is so true.

Well, the world has been Kosherfied. And soon to be cleansed of gentiles. BTW, that Judeo Masonic pose does not help him sell his bagel.

2 minutes ago, GoodieAfterDark said:

Well, the world has been Kosherfied. And soon to be cleansed of gentiles. BTW, that Judeo Masonic pose does not help him sell his bagel.

Aren't we lucky?

Yet another one spewing vile racist Jew hatred has emerged from.under another rock.

It seems there's an endless supply.

7 hours ago, Packer said:

And the lives and property of the Palestinian's which were (and are) set on fire by Israelis?

It's complete savagery what's going on there.

Left unchecked, human beings can degenerate into barbarians very quickly.

Lord of the Flies.

But the pro-Israel crowd on here will find reasons to justify this behavior.

1 hour ago, GoodieAfterDark said:

Well, the world has been Kosherfied. And soon to be cleansed of gentiles. BTW, that Judeo Masonic pose does not help him sell his bagel.

Another euro scared of jews LOL

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Aren't we lucky?

Yet another one spewing vile racist Jew hatred has emerged from.under another rock.

It seems there's an endless supply.

Your philosophical allies

5 hours ago, Packer said:

The building that isn't a Jew building wasn't attacked.

The Met police seem to have a different view of the attempted arson.

Detective Chief Superintendent Brittany Clarke said: “We are taking this incident extremely seriously and we will be working closely with colleagues from Counter Terrorism Policing to support the investigation.

“The building targeted has not been operational as a synagogue for some years but that will be of little comfort to the Jewish community in Tower Hamlets, Hackney and beyond, who are first in my thoughts this morning.

“Local residents can expect to see an increased police presence in the area while inquiries into this incident continue.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/jewish-shomrim-whitechapel-keir-starmer-tower-hamlets-b2970636.html

This incident can be considered "minor" because it did so little damage when the fire failed to catch. @Packer: Would you have been happier if the building had burned down and two people inside had died in the flames?

However insignificant that fire is, it could be part of a trend of antisemitic attacks.

Commander Helen Flanagan, head of Counter-Terrorism Policing London, said: “This incident follows on from a number of arsons and attempted arsons targeting Jewish Londoners in the north-west of the city and we will be considering any potential links as their investigation gets under way. " (same source as above)

"The number of antisemitic hate crimes recorded in April in London was the highest in two years, data shows ... The Metropolitan police logged 140 offences last month, up from 98 in March and 67 in February. April’s total is the highest monthly figure since the force changed the way it counts hate crime in March 2024."

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2026/may/06/met-police-specialist-unit-antisemitic-hate-crime-london-high

What's striking is that New York City, which has five times as many Jewish residents as London (one million vs 200,000) recorded only 30 antisemitic hate crimes in April.

https://www.amny.com/news/new-york-antisemitic-incidents-adl-report/

It seems by any measure antisemitism has surged to shocking levels in the U.K.

33 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Another euro scared of jews LOL

I'm not scared of Jews, but I am scared of going to Israel.

What about you? Have you booked a trip there recently?

Did you hide your cross under your shirt or did you flaunt it?

1 hour ago, save the frogs said:

It's complete savagery what's going on there.

Left unchecked, human beings can degenerate into barbarians very quickly.

Lord of the Flies.

But the pro-Israel crowd on here will find reasons to justify this behavior.

1 minute ago, save the frogs said:

I'm not scared of Jews, but I am scared of going to Israel.

What about you? Have you booked a trip there recently?

Did you hide your cross under your shirt?

This thread is about the UK, .

This thread isn't about Israel or the Palestinians ,

The UK is 5500 Kilometers away from Israel .

UK Jewish citizens are NOT Israelis

18 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

UK Jewish citizens are NOT Israelis

That's not true, very many hold Israeli passports and most UK Jews identify with Israel, as indeed you do.

21 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

That theory has been thoroughly debunked by historians and geneticists.

No evidence from genome-wide data of a Khazar origin for the Ashkenazi Jews

Thus, analysis of Ashkenazi Jews together with a large sample from the region of the Khazar Khaganate corroborates the earlier results that Ashkenazi Jews derive their ancestry primarily from populations of the Middle East and Europe, that they possess considerable shared ancestry with other Jewish populations, and that there is no indication of a significant genetic contribution either from within or from north of the Caucasus region. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25079123/

Debunking the Khazar Theory

Some Palestinian writers argue that most Ashkenazi Jews are not originally from ancient Israel but are descended from the Khazars, a Turkic (Central Asian) people who supposedly converted to Judaism about 1,000 years ago. They use this claim to argue that Jewish ties to the Land of Israel are not genuine. Dr Michael Wechsler argues that this theory has been widely rejected by historians, archaeologists, linguists, and geneticists.

https://www.indigenousembassy.org/articles/debunking-the-khazar-theory

That's an argument, almost word for word, that's been put to Mahmoud Abbas, the PA President, who's PhD was on the subject.

But defining a peoples based on genetic biomarkers is fraught with risk.

Another genetic study:

https://web.archive.org/web/20130120101413/http://gbe.oxfordjournals.org/content/5/1/61.full

The question of Jewish ancestry has been the subject of controversy for over two centuries and has yet to be resolved. The “Rhineland hypothesis” depicts Eastern European Jews as a “population isolate” that emerged from a small group of German Jews who migrated eastward and expanded rapidly. Alternatively, the “Khazarian hypothesis” suggests that Eastern European Jews descended from the Khazars, an amalgam of Turkic clans that settled the Caucasus in the early centuries CE and converted to Judaism in the 8th century.

Recent sequencing of modern Caucasus populations prompted us to revisit the Khazarian hypothesis and compare it with the Rhineland hypothesis. We applied a wide range of population genetic analyses to compare these two hypotheses. Our findings support the Khazarian hypothesis and portray the European Jewish genome as a mosaic of Near Eastern-Caucasus, European, and Semitic ancestries, thereby consolidating previous contradictory reports of Jewish ancestry.

We show that the Khazarian hypothesis offers a comprehensive explanation for the results, including the reported Southern European (Atzmon et al. 2010; Zoossmann-Diskin 2010) and Middle Eastern ancestries (Nebel et al. 2000; Behar et al. 2010). By contrast, the Rhineland hypothesis could not explain the large Caucasus component in European Jews, which is rare in non-Caucasus populations (fig. 5), and the large IBD regions shared between European Jews and Caucasus populations attesting to their common and recent origins. Our findings thus reject the Rhineland hypothesis and uphold the thesis that Eastern European Jews are Judeo–Khazars in origin. Consequently, we can conclude that the conceptualization of European Jews as a “population isolate,” which is derived from the Rhineland hypothesis, is incorrect and most likely reflects sampling bias in the lack of Caucasus non-Jewish populations in comparative analyses.

A major difficulty with the Rhineland hypothesis, in addition to the lack of historical and anthropological evidence to the multimigration waves from Palestine to Europe (Straten 2003; Sand 2009), is to explain the vast population expansion of Eastern European Jews from fifty thousand (15th century) to eight million (20th century). The annual growth rate that accounts for this population expansion was estimated at 1.7–2%, one order of magnitude larger than that of Eastern European non-Jews in the 15th–17th centuries, prior to the industrial revolution (Straten 2007). This growth could not possibly be the product of natural population expansion, particularly one subjected to severe economic restrictions, slavery, assimilation, the Black Death and other plagues, forced and voluntary conversions, persecutions, kidnappings, rapes, exiles, wars, massacres, and pogroms (Koestler 1976; Straten 2003; Sand 2009). Because such an unnatural growth rate, over half a millennium and affecting only Jews residing in Eastern Europe, is implausible—it is explained by a miracle (Atzmon et al. 2010; Ostrer 2012). Unfortunately, this divine intervention explanation poses a new kind of problem—it is not science. The question of how the Rhineland hypothesis, so deeply rooted in supernatural reasoning, became the dominant scientific narrative is debated among scholars (Sand 2009).

And

https://web.archive.org/web/20160527064456/http://gbe.oxfordjournals.org/content/8/4/1132.full

The “Rhineland hypothesis” envisions modern Yiddish speaking AJs to be the descendants of the ancient Judaeans. The presence of Jews in Western and, later, Eastern Europe is explained, in an oversimplified manner, by two allegedly mass migratory waves, first from ancient Israel to Roman Empire, then later from what is now Germany to Slavic lands (van Straten and Snel 2006; Sand 2009). The theory posits the “Roman Exile” that followed the destruction of Herod’s temple (70 A.D.) as introducing a massive Jewish population to Roman lands (King 2001). Yiddish is assumed to have developed in the 9th to 10th century when Romance-speaking French and Italian Jews migrated to the Rhineland (and Franconia) and replaced their Romance speech with local German dialects (Weinreich 2008).

We analyzed the genomes of 367 public participants of the Genographic Project who reported having Ashkenazic Jewish parents. They were further subdivided to 186 descendants of sole Yiddish speakers (or “Yiddish speakers”) and 181 descendants of multi-lingual or non-Yiddish speakers (or “non-Yiddish speakers”). Country of residence was reported by 94% Yiddish and non-Yiddish speakers with the vast majority of all individuals living in the United States (table 2). We note that these figures do not correspond to the geographic distribution of Yiddish speakers and overrepresent the share of Americans (Shin and Kominski 2010) mainly at the expense of Ultra-Orthodox Jews, one of the largest group of Yiddish speakers (Isaacs 1998). However, since the parents of all the individuals studied here are Europeans, the sample bias probably reflects choices of contemporary residency rather than ancestral origins and is unlikely to have a large effect on our results.

Our autosomal analyses highlight the high genetic similarity between AJs and Iranians, Turks, southern Caucasians, Greeks, Italians, and Slavs (figs. 6 and 4D, and supplementary fig. S1, Supplementary Material online). Altogether, our results portray a millennium-old melting-pot process in the focal region of Turkish “Ashkenaz” that crystallized these and other putative progenitors into an Ashkenazic Jewish community in agreement with the first prediction of the Irano-Turko-Slavic hypothesis (table 1, fig. 1). Our findings further imply that the migration of AJs to Europe was followed by social isolation and avoidance of intermarriages, which largely retained their unique admixture signature, although we cannot rule out the possibility of a limited gene exchange and religious conversions. Nonetheless, socioreligious practices compounded with a unique language seems to be more effective means of genetic isolation than geographical barriers (Elhaik 2012).

Now, as a one time molecular biologist, from the abstract you have supplied, and from reading the full papers cited above, I would say the question has NOT been "thoroughly debunked by...... geneticists", as there is apparently still conflicting information in the genetic record. I cannot verify your claims that Behar paper through debunks other studies (this is not how science works; science works on the weight of evidence, which means a few more non-meta analyses. You haven't suppied the full paper, and I note you have shared an abstract to a locked paper.

The problem is, as soon as a lay person starts googling for some explanation, they will come across sites, with their own agendas, backing either explanation, usually with little scientific rigour. I would say for one side, keen to disprove it, for understandable reasons. For another side, with a desire to prove it, its a motive that is equally political.

The problem is that the paper you cite is from 2013, and the papers I cite are from about the same period. I can tell you that since then, genomic science has advanced unbelievably. In 2013, if you wanted to sequence the human genome, it would have cost $100-250k easy. Now, largely thanks to Prime Minister David Cameron's 100K Project, the cost of sequencing a genome to a clinical standard (which means 4x sequence, and then overlay the sequences) is down to less than $500. Additionally, human genome libraries have increased exponentially since. 15 years ago, when the work on these papers was carried out, much of the analysis was based on examination of ancestral populations for alighment, and I can see there was a certain level of proxying going on, because the available pool then was limited.

Searching for peer reviewed papers, surprising there is only one more recent paper, and its not that recent either:

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4301023/

It doesn't help either position, so I will stand by my assertion that the Khazer Hypothesis has not been thoroughly debunked, as you claim.

In recent decades ever-increasing efforts and ingenuity were invested in identifying Biblical Israelite genotypic common denominators by analysing an assortment of phenotypes, like facial patterns, blood types, diseases, DNA-sequences, and more. It becomes overwhelmingly clear that although Jews maintained detectable vertical genetic continuity along generations of socio-religious-cultural relationship, also intensive horizontal genetic relations were maintained both between Jewish communities and with the gentile surrounding. Thus, in spite of considerable consanguinity, there is no Jewish genotype to identify.

The apparent lack of more recent scholarly work is not because the question is settled. Far from it. I suspect the reason is related to present events. The topic has become too toxic for honest scientific debate, funding grants are difficult to come by.

2 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

That's not true, very many hold Israeli passports and most UK Jews identify with Israel, as indeed you do.

Doesn't matter how many are dual nationals .

This thread is about the UK, its not about Israel .

44 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

UK Jewish citizens are NOT Israelis

24 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

That's not true, very many hold Israeli passports and most UK Jews identify with Israel, as indeed you do.

13 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Doesn't matter how many are dual nationals .

This thread is about the UK, its not about Israel .

That's not the point, the point is you lied. Nice deflection (again).

29 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

This thread is about the UK, .

This thread isn't about Israel or the Palestinians ,

The UK is 5500 Kilometers away from Israel .

UK Jewish citizens are NOT Israelis

The UK and Israel allow dual citizenship. Many Israelis hold a British passport as well. About 6% of British Jews in the UK hold an Israeli passport.

Antisemitic attacks happening in the UK are not happening in isolation from events in the Middle East.

9 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

That's not the point, the point is you lied. Nice deflection (again).

Can we try and have a discussion without calling each other liars , it descends into silly bickering ?

Your reply will be

*But you told a lie, you're a liar, nur nur na nur nuurr*

No, I didn't lie and I didn't deflect .

UK citizens are NOT Israelis, Just like British citizens are not Thai citizens , although some might hold dual Nationality .

17 minutes ago, Roadsternut said:

The UK and Israel allow dual citizenship. Many Israelis hold a British passport as well. About 6% of British Jews in the UK hold an Israeli passport.

Antisemitic attacks happening in the UK are not happening in isolation from events in the Middle East.

Why are there no Christians being attacked because of events in the Ukraine ?

58 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Can we try and have a discussion without calling each other liars , it descends into silly bickering ?

Your reply will be

*But you told a lie, you're a liar, nur nur na nur nuurr*

No, I didn't lie and I didn't deflect .

UK citizens are NOT Israelis, Just like British citizens are not Thai citizens , although some might hold dual Nationality .

Let me correct your initial lie (incidentally, didn't you challenge @Jeff the Chef to find you in a lie?)

SOME UK Citizens are NOT Israeli's

7 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

Let me correct your initial lie (incidentally, didn't you challenge @Jeff the Chef to find you in a lie?)

SOME UK Citizens are NOT Israeli's

I am trying not to get into silly bickering matches .

Can you converse with calling the other person a liar ?

That's now five Anti Israelis who keep calling me a liar and I have to keep proving I didn't lie .

This thread is about British people in the UK , this thread isn't about Israelis in Israel or daul Nationals