53 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

This is what this snowflake imbecile should be saying.

I'm so sorry guys, but as usual I grossly overestimated our capabilities, and now I'm coming to you with my hands out, asking for assistance. I know that I didn't consult you on this war, I know I've been insulting and humiliating you guys for 14 months now and laying waste to our alliances, I know that I did not try to build a coalition, and I know that I did not ask either the Congress or the Senate for permission, and the vast majority of the American people do not agree with this war and do not approve of this war. 

We have demonized our allies, criticized them, humiliated them, insulted them, and now that we have distanced ourselves from them and made every attempt possible to destroy those valuable alliances which we spent 80 years building, we now want the same allies to help us in the Strait of Hormuz, because it's totally out of control, the US Navy won't and can't handle it, and we have completely blown this forever war on every level.

Please, pretty please, could you come and help us now? Please try to ignore the fact that we didn't consult with any of you on this war and the fact that we made no effort whatsoever to build a coalition, and please ignore all the insults we've slung in your direction for the last year or so.

We are truly the greatest nation on earth and you should be pleased to come to our aid now, after all this country is being led by the smartest, greatest, most handsome, and most visionary man in the world. I am Saint Donald. Don't you realize that?

And I would hope we tell him to Feck Off

22 minutes ago, Cory1848 said:

One does not need the direction of the “MSM” to quickly realize that Trump has no clue what he’s doing; one only need read his online posts, listen to his speeches and interviews, and follow his actions and obsessions, which he, himself, likes to talk about endlessly. His rapidly dwindling casts of supporters are left spouting tired and by now meaningless buzzwords (<removed>! activist judges! the biased mainstream media!) as a substitute for considering what’s actually going on. Or, for instance, posting AI images of Iranian speedboats getting blown up instead of more broadly confronting the sheer folly and brainlessness of the entire Iran debacle.

 

Brings to mind a rather charming expression having to do with relieving oneself outside in a stiff breeze.

 

So, yes, this thread will now be taken over by “sheeple” who clearly see Trump for the madman he is, because, frankly, they form a growing majority of people in the US and especially worldwide.

Say, have you gotten your gold-colored, made-in-America Trump cellphone yet?

I definitely don't need to read or watch MSM to know that Trump is a moron. He proves it almost every time he posts or opens his mouth. It's incredible and actually quite frightening to have him leading America (down the drain).

This meme about sums it up. If Iran took the North Korean option, Trump's war of choice would come to a screeching halt.

27 minutes ago, Cory1848 said:

One does not need the direction of the “MSM” to quickly realize that Trump has no clue what he’s doing; one only need read his online posts,

Like this one: So about that hug: What's a month between friends?

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/116408554531050811

If you don't like news you can always claim that they are fake

"Virtual treason"

As opposed to the actual treason that Trump, Hegseth, Bondi, Patel and company have been committing....

Some low value posts have been removed:

13. Low-Value Posts - Posts that add no written contribution are not allowed.

    This includes emoji-only replies, very short comments, memes, GIFs, screenshots, or embedded social media posts without explanation or opinion.

Trump Calls Media Reports on Iran ‘Virtual Treason’

Translated:

Trump Calls It 'Virtual Treason' To Refuses To Believe His Lies. Soon Will Direct Counter-terrorism Czar, Sebastian Gorka, To Label All Non-Believers 'Terrorists.'

7 hours ago, JerryM said:

The actual Truth Social post as linked in the CBS OP Source:

If all of what Trump claims were actually true "They have no Navy, their Air Force is gone, all technology is gone, their "leaders" are no longer with us, and the country is an economic disaster", then why are the Straits of Hormuz still closed?

5 hours ago, connda said:

That is going to set off a chain reaction around the world as friends and foes adjust to America’s failure.

Failure we can handle. And forgive. We have many times after US massacres of the innocents. It's the finally openly emerged attitude we reject and are adjusting accordingly.

The disgusting, vile, hate filled contempt and abuse the filthy, fraudulent, racist sexoffender felon Americans elected as president to spew out at his former allies and friends and most of the world as well, the bullying, blackmailing country and the 77 million who voted for this calumny, the useless and ineffective opposition that lets it happen, the Magamorons who continue to support it, the fact that the US, flawed as it then was is nothing like the US in 1990 at the fall of the iron curtain.

It has completely lost course since then and the magaidiots and Reps and many Dems have no clue as to how far, nor where you even are right now, nor what to do about it.

Nor do tens of millions who are 'in charge' of the clown car now, if not the majority, in any way share the same values as we Europeans, Canadians, and the rest of the free and enlightened world.

And that is visible all too often on these AN threads.

trump 4d chess no worry

d = dementia

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3 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

And I would hope we tell him to Feck Off

Things certainly won't be going back to any status quo ante after this lot.

The US will be treated as Russia and China are - we'll do business but only when it's good for us and unavoidable.

The process will take a few years but it's already firmly underway and won't stop.

In fact in my part of the world China is being seen as a better, more reliable and trustworthy partner, with much more benevolent long term strategies, than the US. China may also be a tough rival but it doesn't want to destroy the EU. The US and Russia do.

Americans are already paying for their country's vindictiveness, violence, hubris and greed. It will not get better. And it's no fun no longer being a member of the family of decent, enlightened countries in the world - just ask the Brits bleating about 'resets' with the EU.

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Now he has started this war with the prodding of Israel ,led into

it like a poodle on a leash by BiBi , and because he went into it

without a plan B , he is panicking as he has no way out ,except

by walking away ,which will not be a good look for macho man.

So he is taking it out on the fake news ,which in reality is any media

that is telling the truth and does not publish his lies...

regards worgeordie

8 hours ago, JAG said:

If one is to play around with that definition of treason, as Trump so often does, well perhaps driving convoys of coaches and horses through the provisions of the Constitution, as Trump so often does, should also amount to "virtual treason"?

Trump is running roughshod over the Constitution, so violating his oath of office to defend it, an oath specified in the Constitution.

1 hour ago, BusyB said:

Things certainly won't be going back to any status quo ante after this lot.

The US will be treated as Russia and China are - we'll do business but only when it's good for us and unavoidable.

The process will take a few years but it's already firmly underway and won't stop.

In fact in my part of the world China is being seen as a better, more reliable and trustworthy partner, with much more benevolent long term strategies, than the US. China may also be a tough rival but it doesn't want to destroy the EU. The US and Russia do.

Americans are already paying for their country's vindictiveness, violence, hubris and greed. It will not get better. And it's no fun no longer being a member of the family of decent, enlightened countries in the world - just ask the Brits bleating about 'resets' with the EU.

It will be interesting see what comes of Trump's visit to Xi.

8 minutes ago, placnx said:

It will be interesting see what comes of Trump's visit to Xi.

Trump will most likely come back from this meeting claiming to have achieved his goals whatever they may be. Again, more fairy tales of very, very great success.

10 hours ago, dinsdale said:

The IRGC's mosquito fleet is about to take a battering. As far as a naval force these were always the real threat not the deep water fleet which has pretty much been sunk. As for the media it's obvious to all that are not sufferers and haven't been brainwashed from a decade of Democrat and MSM rhetoric that the MSM is fully biased against Trump. Of course "virtual treason" doesn't mean actual treason. This thread will now be taken over by the aforementioned sheeple and Trump haters that fully believe everything MSM spews out.

Dream on with your AI photos of things that didn't happen. Apart from wishfulthinking.com do you have a source for your strongly worded supposition ? I'm afraid truth be told the US and Israel apart from tightly framed calculations have lost and lost bigly.Not least that they have revealed Iran's hidden hand of the Hormuz. The US and the rest of the world simply isn't prepared to pay those costs and Presdenmt Xi will tutor Trump and his cohorts accordingly on his forthcoming visit. All hail the Emperor !

Sorry about that - but them's the rules and the breaks.

1 hour ago, worgeordie said:

Now he has started this war with the prodding of Israel ,led into

it like a poodle on a leash by BiBi , and because he went into it

without a plan B , he is panicking as he has no way out ,except

by walking away ,which will not be a good look for macho man.

So he is taking it out on the fake news ,which in reality is any media

that is telling the truth and does not publish his lies...

regards worgeordie

Spot on - bullseye - in the back of the net my friend !

5 minutes ago, placnx said:

It will be interesting see what comes of Trump's visit to Xi.

Taiwan is watching his visit with much concern. Weapons sales to Taiwan opposed by China will most likely to be discussed. US is bound by law to provide Taiwan with the means to defend itself. Trump has already announced an US$11 billion weapons package for Taiwan. Will Trump watered down the package to appease Xi in return for rare earth. Trump has disregard for pledges and has no moral compass. He may sell out Taiwan for his own interest quid pro quo. Hope he don't but that asking for too much with Trump's eccentricism.

8 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Got any examples of the Supreme Court proving Trump has violated the constitution other than the tariffs then this is just an example of a rhetoric driven talking point from the left.

Due to opportunistic Republican senator Mitch McConnell et al, Trump was able to install 3 judges to the Supreme Court in his first term. So we have had various decisions that smell.

Due to the ongoing redistricting not provided for in the Constitution and a recent Supreme Court decision gutting the Voting Rights Act, it may be that Republicans will maintain majortities in the House and Senate, in spite of Trump's low approval ratings. Otherwise, he could be impeached again, this time successfully put out of office. Of course, that would give Vance a better chance to get elected in 2028.

8 hours ago, connda said:

Unfortunately, in Trump's meglomania and hubris, he is now surrounded by traitors committing "virtual treason."

Robert Kagan (Victoria Nuland's husband and US neo-con)
"It’s hard to think of a time when the United States suffered a total defeat in a conflict, a setback so decisive that the strategic loss could be neither repaired nor ignored.

Defeat in the present confrontation with Iran will be of an entirely different character. It can neither be repaired nor ignored. There will be no return to the status quo ante, no ultimate American triumph that will undo or overcome the harm done. The Strait of Hormuz will not be “open,” as it once was. With control of the strait, Iran emerges as the key player in the region and one of the key players in the world. The roles of China and Russia, as Iran’s allies, are strengthened; the role of the United States, substantially diminished. Far from demonstrating American prowess, as supporters of the war have repeatedly claimed, the conflict has revealed an America that is unreliable and incapable of finishing what it started. That is going to set off a chain reaction around the world as friends and foes adjust to America’s failure.

Even if Trump were to carry out his threat to destroy Iran’s “civilization” through more bombing, Iran would still be able to launch many missiles and drones before its regime went down—assuming it did go down. Just a few successful strikes could cripple the region’s oil and gas infrastructure for years if not decades, throwing the world, and the United States, into a prolonged economic crisis. Even if Trump wanted to bomb Iran as part of an exit strategy—looking tough as a way of masking his retreat—he can’t do that without risking this catastrophe."

And then Trump pulls one out of the Bush's Iraq War Playbook:
"Either you are with us or you are with the terrorists."

I guess I'm "with the terrorists Iranians" as I'm 100% against the folly of this Israeli-First adventurism that Trump has dragged the United States and the entire world's economy into. It's past time for the US to stop provoking wars across the globe and instead become an economic player and trade partner with the rest of the world - and not at the end of a gun.

Robert Kagan is a brilliant and very credible observer. It's too bad that Trump did not consult Kagan before his latest misadventure. Apparently he did hear out the traditional advisers and decided to go for Netanyahu's vision instead.

7 minutes ago, placnx said:

Due to opportunistic Republican senator Mitch McConnell et al, Trump was able to install 3 judges to the Supreme Court in his first term. So we have had various decisions that smell.

Due to the ongoing redistricting not provided for in the Constitution and a recent Supreme Court decision gutting the Voting Rights Act, it may be that Republicans will maintain majortities in the House and Senate, in spite of Trump's low approval ratings. Otherwise, he could be impeached again, this time successfully put out of office. Of course, that would give Vance a better chance to get elected in 2028.

I wonder what the reaction and implications will be if the Republicans do just that, but with an overall minority of the vote!

Trump tried to stop the legal transfer of power after he lost the 2020 election, and he wasn't exactly subtle about is. So not virtual treason, but actual treason on such a level that only one punishment fits the crime.

7 minutes ago, placnx said:

Robert Kagan is a brilliant and very credible observer. It's too bad that Trump did not consult Kagan before his latest misadventure. Apparently he did hear out the traditional advisers and decided to go for Netanyahu's vision instead.

Arguably worse than Putin's Ukraine adventure which Nuland et al fiddled with for years because it is the world's dominant hegemon and with it's lap-dog poodle Israel being humiliated like never before. There is no going back from this - the US Middle East defence strategy lies in tatters and a hand that didn't need to be revealed has been revealed and found totally wanting.

A truly stunning defeat that will go down in the history books and one I am truly privilged to witness.

God is Great !

Can Trump be a virtual President and leave the world in a better place.

Trump is evil, incompetent, and insane.

What else is new?

Now he's heading to China as the weakest US president in modern history to give up the shop (in exchange for a parade and banquets) and claim he made a great deal. He may be insane enough to believe his lies.

But we shouldn't.

Its too bad his rants can't just be ignored.

But he's president so we have to pay attention.

The only treason was Trump illrgally starting a war. America was NOT under attack.

2 minutes ago, sherlockh said:

The only treason was Trump illrgally starting a war. America was NOT under attack.

Yeah I do see Trump as kind of an enemy agent in the white house,

No actual enemy could have even dreamed of doing so much possibly permanent damage to the USA as well as it's international brand in such a short time,

Still shocking that 30 percent of Americans still support his hot mess of a regime.

11 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Yeah I do see Trump as kind of an enemy agent in the white house,

No actual enemy could have even dreamed of doing so much possibly permanent damage to the USA as well as it's international brand in such a short time,

Still shocking that 30 percent of Americans still support his hot mess of a regime.

Think it will be a lot less that 30% they are just finding out that trump is not giving the deposit back for the gold phone they will not receive