35 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

The key to a lasting peace in the Middle East is for Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran and all other anti-Israel groups and countries to recognize Israel's right to exist as a sovereign state and homeland to the world's Jews.

Once Israel's sovereignty is acknowledged, all other issues regarding Palestine can be settled through negotiations. Both Egypt and Jordan have recognized Israel and there's been no military conflicts between them since then.

It will also require Israel to recognize Iran as a legitimate state and Hamas/Hezbollah as legitimate governing bodies to allow diplomatic negotiation on the Palestine issue to begin. Israel legal framework and governing legislature explictly oppose Palestine statehood. I honestly don't see an end to the middle-ease conflict for the unseeable future. Big nations like US and Russia should not encourage either sides to seek military solution.

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3 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

It will also require Israel to recognize Iran as a legitimate state and Hamas/Hezbollah as legitimate governing bodies to allow diplomatic negotiation on the Palestine issue to begin.

Israel recognizes Iran as a legitimate state- an enemy state, but nevertheless legitimate. It's similar to how during WWII, the U.S. and U.K. regarded the governments of Germany, Japan and Italy as legitimate.

In terms of establishing diplomatic relations, Iran has to take the first step by acknowledging Israel's sovereignty. Iran's must renounce destruction of Israel as its official policy. Bill to "Destroy Israel" by 2041 Put Before Iranian Parliament

https://iranwire.com/en/features/68483/

Once Hamas and Hezbollah acknowledge Israel's right to exist and disavow terror tactics, they can become groups with which it is possible for Israel to negotiate. Like many countries, Israel won't negotiate with terrorists.

3 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Israel legal framework and governing legislature explictly oppose Palestine statehood.

Israel's legal framework and governing legislature do not explicitly oppose Palestinian statehood. The Oslo Accords set the stage for a two-state solution, but the Palestinians refused to adhere to the terms of the Accords and Hamas' takeover of Gaza made further negotiation impossible.

3 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

I honestly don't see an end to the middle-ease conflict for the unseeable future.

The unseeable future is indeed a very long time to wait. Scary, too!

2 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

Bill to "Destroy Israel" by 2041 Put Before Iranian Parliament

That's a bit pessimistic.

With funding reduced to almost nothing by them. The Muslims will likely have already just walked in and butchered any Israeli Jews still silly enough to be around.

The jews are openly committing war crimes on a daily basis, yet the west persists in screaming Russia-russia-russia and maintaining the absurd and harmful sanctions against the cheap russian oil and gas. Another well illustrated of Cutting one's nose to spite one's face, from the European Union, UK and somewhat the USA.

46 minutes ago, Packer said:

That's a bit pessimistic.

With funding reduced to almost nothing by them. The Muslims will likely have already just walked in and butchered any Israeli Jews still silly enough to be around.

Iran may have butchered its own Jewish citizens by then, but Israeli Jews will still be fighting back.

10 hours ago, Sigmund said:

The jews are openly committing war crimes on a daily basis, yet the west persists in screaming Russia-russia-russia and maintaining the absurd and harmful sanctions against the cheap russian oil and gas. Another well illustrated of Cutting one's nose to spite one's face, from the European Union, UK and somewhat the USA.

This has nothing to do with Russia. I favour a boycott of both Russia and Israel.

10 hours ago, Sigmund said:

The jews are openly committing war crimes on a daily basis,

Which war crime did Israel commit yesterday ?

9 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

Iran may have butchered its own Jewish citizens by then, but Israeli Jews will still be fighting back.

Never again is never again against anyone.

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Never again is never again against anyone.

The Palestine side literally steals everything from the Israel side .

Anything Israelis have , the Palestinian side want it as well .

Just now, Nick Carter icp said:

The Palestine side literally steals everything from the Israel side .

Anything Israelis have , the Palestinian side want it as well .

Odd thing to say in a week when Israel has declared plans to expel Palestinians from Gaza.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/may/28/israels-defence-minister-says-large-scale-palestinian-migration-from-gaza-will-go-ahead

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Odd thing to say in a week when Israel has declared plans to expel Palestinians from Gaza.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/may/28/israels-defence-minister-says-large-scale-palestinian-migration-from-gaza-will-go-ahead

False claim :

"Voluntary departures " , NOT "Expel"

Leaving voluntarily, rather then being forced to leave

On 5/27/2026 at 11:41 PM, Chomper Higgot said:

So how would you feel about a deploring government ordering you to evacuate in your own county?

If I had been one of the 260 young Israelis slaughtered at the Nova music festival, or one of the other hundreds of innocent people slaughtered in southern Israel on 7 October 2023, I would have been eternally grateful if the government of Gaza had told me to evacuate the day before they carried out the most barbaric attack in modern history.

43 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

If I had been one of the 260 young Israelis slaughtered at the Nova music festival, or one of the other hundreds of innocent people slaughtered in southern Israel on 7 October 2023, I would have been eternally grateful if the government of Gaza had told me to evacuate the day before they carried out the most barbaric attack in modern history.

Which justifies the orders being given by Israel to Lebanese civilians how?

32 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Which justifies the orders being given by Israel to Lebanese civilians how?

Please point out whereabouts in my comment I said that it justifies the orders being given by Israel to Lebanese civilians now.

Would you prefer that the Lebanese civilians were given no warning and left in situ, while Israel tries to root out the Hezbollah terrorists that broke a sixteen month ceasefire by firing hundreds of rocket indiscriminately at the civilian population of northern Israel on the night of 1st-2nd March ?

If so, you don’t seem to place much value on the lives of the people you purport to support; thankfully the IDF do, and continue to minimise the loss of civilian life as much as possible in an impossible situation for them in which they are expected to adhere to conventions that their numerous enemies are not.

14 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

Please point out whereabouts in my comment I said that it justifies the orders being given by Israel to Lebanese civilians now.

Would you prefer that the Lebanese civilians were given no warning and left in situ, while Israel tries to root out the Hezbollah terrorists that broke a sixteen month ceasefire by firing hundreds of rocket indiscriminately at the civilian population of northern Israel on the night of 1st-2nd March ?

If so, you don’t seem to place much value on the lives of the people you purport to support; thankfully the IDF do, and continue to minimise the loss of civilian life as much as possible in an impossible situation for them in which they are expected to adhere to conventions that their numerous enemies are not.

Please read the subject of the thread you are posting in before hitting ‘return’.

Here’s a clue:

“Israel Orders Mass Evacuations in Southern Lebanon”

44 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Please read the subject of the thread you are posting in before hitting ‘return’.

Here’s a clue:

“Israel Orders Mass Evacuations in Southern Lebanon”

Have you completely lost the ability to comprehend the written word ?

My first sentence was pointing out your dishonest suggestion that I was trying to justify the orders being given by Israel to Lebanese civilians, which was directly in response to a question you had asked me.

The following two brief paragraphs are absolutely on the topic of “Israel Orders Mass Evacuations in Southern Lebanon”

Your constant attempts to deflect anything that challenges your own narrative, by calling it “off topic” when it clearly is not, completely delegitimises that disclaimer for times when it has genuine validity; it is also extremely transparent and juvenile.

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Never again is never again against anyone.

"Never again" originated among concentration camp survivors as a reminder of the horrors of the Holocaust and a vow Jews would never again walk quietly to their deaths. "Never again" was later appropriated by other groups and given a broader meaning to refer to all attempts at genocide and sometimes even other crimes.

The phrase "Never again is now," has always been a reminder that antisemitism is taking place today and must be resisted.

3 hours ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

Have you completely lost the ability to comprehend the written word ?

My first sentence was pointing out your dishonest suggestion that I was trying to justify the orders being given by Israel to Lebanese civilians, which was directly in response to a question you had asked me.

The following two brief paragraphs are absolutely on the topic of “Israel Orders Mass Evacuations in Southern Lebanon”

Your constant attempts to deflect anything that challenges your own narrative, by calling it “off topic” when it clearly is not, completely delegitimises that disclaimer for times when it has genuine validity; it is also extremely transparent and juvenile.

It would have helped had you read the OP before posting off topic and irrelevant justifications.

2 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

"Never again" originated among concentration camp survivors as a reminder of the horrors of the Holocaust and a vow Jews would never again walk quietly to their deaths. "Never again" was later appropriated by other groups and given a broader meaning to refer to all attempts at genocide and sometimes even other crimes.

The phrase "Never again is now," has always been a reminder that antisemitism is taking place today and must be resisted.

The Israeli genocide in Gaza makes a lie out of ‘never again’.

15 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The Israeli genocide in Gaza makes a lie out of ‘never again’.

I do believe they were referring to Jews never again being the victims of genocide .

So, no lie there

21 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

I do believe they were referring to Jews never again being the victims of genocide .

So, no lie there

Well yes we know you have no problem with Israel doing the ‘again’ bit to Palestinians.

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The Israeli genocide in Gaza makes a lie out of ‘never again’.

There is no Israeli genocide in Gaza, so not only is this a disgusting lie and Hamas propaganda, but it is also off topic.

The post is about: Israel Orders Mass Evacuations in Southern Lebanon

6 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

There is no Israeli genocide in Gaza, so not only is this a disgusting lie and Hamas propaganda, but it is also off topic.

The post is about: Israel Orders Mass Evacuations in Southern Lebanon

Plenty of international law experts disagree with you.

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Plenty of international law experts disagree with you.

That's as maybe, but why did you post the comment when it is off topic ??

16 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

Iran may have butchered its own Jewish citizens by then, but Israeli Jews will still be fighting back

You are totally unaware of who bombed the synagogue in Iran.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/apr/22/tehran-embattled-jewish-community-israeli-bombing-synagogue

The Israeli army described the destruction as “collateral damage” from a strike targeting a commander, but members of the Jewish community expressed anger and outrage. Nobody was injured, although a staff member had been in the synagogue’s office at the time.

The morning after the bombing, synagogue members sifted through rubble and debris, trying to recover what they could: a handful of religious books and three Torah scrolls were pulled from the shatter brick and rebar, but much was lost.

“It’s all under the rubble, including some of our historical volumes,” said Homayoun Sameh, a member of parliament and the head of the Jewish Association of Iran, who visited the site.

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Plenty of international law experts disagree with you.

The post is about: Israel Orders Mass Evacuations in Southern Lebanon

So why are you trying to hijack the post and make it about something else …. now let me guess

14 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

The post is about: Israel Orders Mass Evacuations in Southern Lebanon

Or they will continue the genocide in Lebanon.

1 minute ago, johng said:

Or they will continue the genocide in Lebanon.

What genocide ? and I hope you have a proper understanding of the word before you reply

2 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

and I hope you have a proper understanding of the word before you reply

hope springs eternal...

if you think a proper understanding means that genocide can only be committed against one set of people you'd be wrong..you'd also be wrong to think that ALL those opposed to and calling out genocide are Jew hating Neo Nazi's.