13 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

What? Suicide and euthanasia are two completely different concepts. Your attempt to equate the two is why supporters of euthanasia have to overcome multiple hurdles to allow people with terminal illness to die with dignity. Euthanasia is for people who are dying and are at the end of their life. Please educate yourself and stop trying to shove your simplistic bankrupt 1970's socio- political ideology on everyone.

I've supported euthanasia groups for decades. You're interpretation is incorrect. Euthanasia is for anyone in pain, physical or psychological regardless of age. It does not require a terminal diagnosis.

Do some reading to educate yourself more broadly on this issue.

8 hours ago, SiSePuede419 said:

You can't even look up suicide statistics without being given a suicide hotline or some references to get help

But this is reflective of a worldwide trend in young adults giving up losing hope losing their identity jobs or livelihood.

We need to develop our identity outside our roles.

Father? What happens if your kids tragically die? What happens to your identity then?

Husband? What happens if your wife leaves you?

Occupation? What happens if you lose your job? What are you then?

We are not any of that.

Om. 😄

Thank you for this very sensitive post bringing us back to the real stuff.

There are kids today killing themselves because they can't get the sneakers of the moment.

The last two generations are certainly adrift.

19 hours ago, Georgealbert said:

She told officers that her son may have been under significant stress due to debts owed to illegal lenders, which she believed could have been a contributing factor in the tragedy.

Which the lenders will no doubt now transfer onto the mother....

I would also put forward that those lenders are likely to be police, or pay them to do such things unhindered by the law.

A rather gruesome way for a couple to choose to die together, high impact high trauma full head and body injuries.

You would think something more peaceful like buying a load of opiates, then leaving the car running with a full tank of gas while embracing inside would be preferable.

21 minutes ago, unblocktheplanet said:

Thank you for this very sensitive post bringing us back to the real stuff.

There are kids today killing themselves because they can't get the sneakers of the moment.

The last two generations are certainly adrift.

As tragic as this may be for their family and friends it demonstrates true love and the strong bond between them. One of them wanted to jump and the other said I will too because i can't live without you.So they embraced and jumped together.

19 hours ago, ukrules said:

There's more to this than simple debt, someone robbed them of their life savings in one of these saving schemes which Thais like to put money into.

My Mrs knew these people and they were hard working people robbed by <deleted>

Yes, I knew them for more than ten years, a lovely couple. He taught my son a lot of pool skills from an early age, and often stepped in to play matches in our bar. When I first met him he was quite sick, but managed to pull through after extended treatments, so I know he had fight in him. I wish people reached out more, maybe they would still be with us. R.I.P.

Tragic that anyone should get to the point that they want to take their own life

18 hours ago, bannork said:

Some Thais 'len share', a group puts in an agreed amount per person each month, then whoever offers the highest interest rate that month, gets the kitty.

Then there is the treasurer, a guarantor of funds in case the borrower doesn't pay back at the agreed rate, or doesn't pay back at all.

If you don't borrow from the kitty, then you can accumulate a fair sum over say 12 months as other members compete to offer higher and higher interest rates.

Of course a borrower, or worse, the treasurer, may do a runner and the members lose everything.

Nowadays with everything online, I dread to think how much money is circulating round in various schemes like this, plus legal ones such as Co-op funds where members may pay in for years, only for the board members to disappear or claim bankruptcy.

But this couple were still relatively young, 43 and 29. So sad they took this way out.

My GF was into one of these for 30,000

14 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

What? Suicide and euthanasia are two completely different concepts. Your attempt to equate the two is why supporters of euthanasia have to overcome multiple hurdles to allow people with terminal illness to die with dignity. Euthanasia is for people who are dying and are at the end of their life. Please educate yourself and stop trying to shove your simplistic bankrupt 1970's socio- political ideology on everyone.

Steady on with your own imposition of your concept of euthanasia upon everyone else too. The word derives simply from "good death" and the grounds for voluntary euthanasia can reasonably only be defined in each case by the suffering individual - not by a god or some government ruling or some handwringing bystander.

2 hours ago, AdamRich said:

This is not sad. These people were idiots. Leaving other people to clean up their mess because they wanted to check out of life.

What choice did they have? They had clearly weighed their options and irrevocably decided to end their lives. Unfortunately there are no places you can go, to buy a clean service for that. I have always had the opinion, that anyone with a strong enough wish to die, should be able to get help to end their lives, without needing to make a mess for others to clean up.

8 hours ago, save the frogs said:

I spoke to a girl in a bar.

Her restaurant went bankrupt during Covid.

Debt was close to 1 million baht.

Covid financial casualties still exist even today.

No denying that. A lot of Thais are still in crippling debt following Covid. I know several myself.

European States suicides rates among countries

Source:

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/w/edn-20240909-1

Thais live in a beautiful country that attracts millions of tourists every year and...........commit suicide?

What about the countries of Southern Europe where we see the ridiculous illegal immigrants from the Arab world and Africa posing as.....locals?

Source:FRIDAY, MAY 09, 2025

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Thailand faces mental health crisis with 15 suicide death...

Thailand is grappling with a deepening mental health crisis, with an average of 15 people dying by suicide each day, and seven suicide attempts occurring every two hours.

15 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

RIP. Just terrible. Could anyone have done anything to prevent this outcome? That's the question that will haunt their loved ones forever.

The Thai government should make loan sharking illegal and then enforce it very strictly, Sadly, they won't because most loan sharks are wealthy and well-connected.

1 minute ago, CM Dad said:

The Thai government should make loan sharking illegal and then enforce it very strictly, Sadly, they won't because most loan sharks are wealthy and well-connected.

You state that as if it is legal........surely not

On 6/8/2026 at 11:58 AM, Mr Awesome said:

Why don't you engage in sexual acts for cash with some overweight bald men and report back to the forum?

Naaaaa he is pig ugly and would not make any money. 🤣🤣

6 hours ago, unblocktheplanet said:

I've supported euthanasia groups for decades. You're interpretation is incorrect. Euthanasia is for anyone in pain, physical or psychological regardless of age. It does not require a terminal diagnosis.

Do some reading to educate yourself more broadly on this issue.

Is the difference not, suicide you do yuorself, euthanasia is when someone else helps you.

2 hours ago, Paris333 said:

European States suicides rates among countries

Source:

https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/products-eurostat-news/w/edn-20240909-1

Thais live in a beautiful country that attracts millions of tourists every year and...........commit suicide?

What about the countries of Southern Europe where we see the ridiculous illegal immigrants from the Arab world and Africa posing as.....locals?

Source:FRIDAY, MAY 09, 2025

nationthailand

Thailand faces mental health crisis with 15 suicide death...

Thailand is grappling with a deepening mental health crisis, with an average of 15 people dying by suicide each day, and seven suicide attempts occurring every two hours.

If I was French I would top myself too

There is no words to describe this tragedy ! So young . All life in front of them . They could have left Thailand and make a new life somewhere else .

RIP

On 6/8/2026 at 5:42 AM, bannork said:

Some Thais 'len share', a group puts in an agreed amount per person each month, then whoever offers the highest interest rate that month, gets the kitty.

Then there is the treasurer, a guarantor of funds in case the borrower doesn't pay back at the agreed rate, or doesn't pay back at all.

If you don't borrow from the kitty, then you can accumulate a fair sum over say 12 months as other members compete to offer higher and higher interest rates.

Of course a borrower, or worse, the treasurer, may do a runner and the members lose everything.

Nowadays with everything online, I dread to think how much money is circulating round in various schemes like this, plus legal ones such as Co-op funds where members may pay in for years, only for the board members to disappear or claim bankruptcy.

But this couple were still relatively young, 43 and 29. So sad they took this way out.

Thai women in USA do this 'len share' a lot. Many get burned.

5 hours ago, Rockyroad said:

If I was French I would top myself too

France is the second biggest anti-anxiety medication consumer in the EU, after Spain.

On 6/8/2026 at 4:18 AM, unblocktheplanet said:

How could one prefer this to legal euthanasia???

Would a 43 and 29 year old qualify ?

12 hours ago, Packer said:

A rather gruesome way for a couple to choose to die together, high impact high trauma full head and body injuries.

You would think something more peaceful like buying a load of opiates, then leaving the car running with a full tank of gas while embracing inside would be preferable.

Yeah I don't get it. I don't understand why ppl do it like this.

I have a theory that they do it because there's no way of backing out. And it requires no planning. It is more impulsive than we think

On 6/8/2026 at 4:48 AM, save the frogs said:

Even if you get robbed of your life savings, there's ways to bounce back.

The girl could have done a stint in Pattaya. No joke. Is working in a bar worse than killing yourself? The puritanicals on here might think so, but between you and me, they're nuts.

They were probably in too deep. A stint in Pattaya might not have scratched the surface.

Plus, she might not be wired for that. Pattaya girls are party girls to begin with. Then they make a career out of it

2 minutes ago, Harsh Jones said:

Yeah I don't get it. I don't understand why ppl do it like this.

I have a theory that they do it because there's no way of backing out. And it requires no planning. It is more impulsive than we think

If you are in a state where you can actually go through with taking your own life (a very unnatural thing to do), then you are not in rational territory.

2 minutes ago, Harsh Jones said:

Plus, she might not be wired for that. Pattaya girls are party girls to begin with.

Exactly, they are extroverts who like to drink, have fun and don't care about the social stigma – most Thai women don't tick any of those boxes.

On 6/8/2026 at 5:42 PM, bannork said:

Some Thais 'len share', a group puts in an agreed amount per person each month, then whoever offers the highest interest rate that month, gets the kitty.

Then there is the treasurer, a guarantor of funds in case the borrower doesn't pay back at the agreed rate, or doesn't pay back at all.

If you don't borrow from the kitty, then you can accumulate a fair sum over say 12 months as other members compete to offer higher and higher interest rates.

Of course a borrower, or worse, the treasurer, may do a runner and the members lose everything.

Nowadays with everything online, I dread to think how much money is circulating round in various schemes like this, plus legal ones such as Co-op funds where members may pay in for years, only for the board members to disappear or claim bankruptcy.

But this couple were still relatively young, 43 and 29. So sad they took this way out.

This is exactly how a traditional lending-group is run in Taiwan.

You have the group-head who is responsible for group management, and collecting payments and interest.

This head receives payment for starting and managing the group.

Then, as you say, members can borrow money from the group.

And they bid interest rates to become the next member to borrow from the group.

These groups often end in disaster, and lawsuits.

On 6/9/2026 at 8:35 AM, save the frogs said:

So you support suicide to resolve financial difficulties?

Anyone that makes the idiotic comments like you do needs to grow up and maybe go back to where you came from. Keep that attitude of yours and it's going to someday land you in a lot of trouble.

On 6/9/2026 at 11:54 AM, unblocktheplanet said:

I've supported euthanasia groups for decades. You're interpretation is incorrect. Euthanasia is for anyone in pain, physical or psychological regardless of age. It does not require a terminal diagnosis.

I believe it requires the consent of 3 doctors in some parts of the world.

Not all doctors share the same views about when it's ok to end your life.

I'm guessing many doctors are in alignment with my opinions here -- being financially in debt is not a valid reason.

So if you don't have a terminal illness, you may be denied.