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Koh Samui Court Revokes Brit’s Bail Over Fatal Crash

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1 hour ago, Bounders said:

Your attitude is unbelievable. So jogging is not allowed cos of some drug fueled <deleted> on a big bike, posing down the highway. Everyone stay off the streets, even in a country where street walking and jogging is a cultural norm, there's drugged up westerner breaking multiple laws coming. In Asia, the speed of city travel is way slower, aside form the odd teeny ripper, which every country has.

Just because street walking and jogging is a known cultural norm, it doesn't mean it's a good exercise in using common sense.I can't count the number of times in 16 years that I have been forced to the shoulder of the road by oncoming traffic. Had there been a jogger or a streetwalker on my side of the street on the shoulder, I would have killed them.

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47 minutes ago, Grusa said:

On a point of order, if one is out on bail and bail is revoked...... what happens to the bail money?

You get it back; however, he might leave it there and try for bail again.

53 minutes ago, OldHand2541 said:

Thai media think he will get 10-13 years sentence.

A Thai Professor Doctor died.

Unthinkable that he can pay his way out of this. Never.

RIP.

Where do you think you are ?? the baht rules in thailand ! there has been lots of murder cases that the perpetrator has paid and then gone home ! its a common occurrence in thailand

6 hours ago, Off Piste said:

Can't believe he hung around....................

Neither can I but it was because he was very nieve and didn't think he was in real troubleor thought he could talk his way out of it or he had too much money tied up in his boat business and didn't want to leave it . However now , with the death of the Doctor he is in real trouble and looking at a nice 10 year all expenses paid holiday at the Bangkok Hilton

3 hours ago, fittobethaied said:

The good doctor, may he rest in peace, is only one of many people here in Thailand who have no sense of preservation for their own lives.

Anybody with any common sense at all does not exercise in a roadway. Roadways are for vehicular traffic, not for exercising.

There has got to be some accountability for people who think that everybody else is watching after them, instead of doing things defensively to protect their own life.

that is very true, even on a pedestrian walkway you are not safe in Thailand.

1 hour ago, fittobethaied said:

Just because street walking and jogging is a known cultural norm, it doesn't mean it's a good exercise in using common sense.I can't count the number of times in 16 years that I have been forced to the shoulder of the road by oncoming traffic. Had there been a jogger or a streetwalker on my side of the street on the shoulder, I would have killed them.

common sense is not very common

4 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

Provincial Court ordered the cancellation of his bail and issued a detention warrant. He was transferred immediately to Koh Samui Prison.

The death of Dr Teerasak has prompted an outpouring of grief on Koh Phangan. The Koh Phangan Hospital Facebook page posted a tribute describing him as a highly skilled respiratory and critical care specialist who provided treatment for local residents. The hospital also called on relevant authorities to enforce stricter controls on foreign motorists and intensify efforts to combat drug abuse on the island.

The Daily News reported that as the investigation continues, Wilcock now remains in custody while legal proceedings move forward on all 11 charges.

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Death penalty

"Death penalty "

Why? From your own quoted post...

"The offence carries a maximum penalty of 10 years’ imprisonment and a fine of up to 200,000 baht"

6 minutes ago, Ray60 said:

common sense is not very common

That is why runners should always run into traffic which greatly reduces the odds of being killed or injured. The roads here are excessively cambered which causes right hip issues given a year or two but better than the alternative risks. My right hip became an issue so now do much of my running on the treadmill.

3 hours ago, Old Croc said:
4 hours ago, jippytum said:

sensible precaution. too many foreigners jumping bail aided by corrupt officials.

There's also been the occasional former PM and billionaire heir

Vorayuth Yoovidhya did not jump bail, at the time he boarded his family's private jet to Singapore on April 25, 2017, no arrest warrant or court-ordered travel restrictions were in place, allowing him to leave the country legally.

3 hours ago, DTL2014 said:

why dont we start a campaign for safer road design ?

I don't know, what's stopping you?

4 hours ago, Srikcir said:

Unlikely in general.

Impossible, in actual fact.

2 hours ago, Old Croc said:

He may not have had anywhere to go even if he could do a runner.

He was arrested initially on a boat trying to leave the island. "On May 24, investigators led by Pol Col Apichat Jansamret tracked the suspect through CCTV footage and arrested British national Duncan Wilcock while he was hiding aboard a tour boat. Police said the suspect later confessed to causing the crash.

He wasn't on bail, nor had he had his passport confiscated at that stage.

1 hour ago, fittobethaied said:

Just because street walking and jogging is a known cultural norm, it doesn't mean it's a good exercise in using common sense.I can't count the number of times in 16 years that I have been forced to the shoulder of the road by oncoming traffic. Had there been a jogger or a streetwalker on my side of the street on the shoulder, I would have killed them.

if driving slowly enough and paying attention to the road ahead with its various obstacles including pedestrians, you could draw your vehicle to a halt and wait until the road is clear enough for you to pull out and pass a pedestrian safely.

If I understand you correctly, if you are driving your car and oncoming traffic forces you to the near side hard shoulder, then any pedestrian that does not exercise commonsense and is walking away from you, will get mown down. And that’s ok because they didn’t use commonsense.

But, in the same scenario, if the pedestrian is walking toward you and can see your car coming, they can leap to one side and save themselves…and you.

I really don’t follow your logic.

Rules of the road are there to protect people who don’t use their commonsense. They should use it, but just because they don’t, doesn’t make them fair game.

1 hour ago, MikeandDow said:

Where do you think you are ?? the baht rules in thailand ! there has been lots of murder cases that the perpetrator has paid and then gone home ! its a common occurrence in thailand

Red Bull ring any bells...he'll be on the old age pension soon...

2 hours ago, fittobethaied said:

Just because street walking and jogging is a known cultural norm, it doesn't mean it's a good exercise in using common sense.I can't count the number of times in 16 years that I have been forced to the shoulder of the road by oncoming traffic. Had there been a jogger or a streetwalker on my side of the street on the shoulder, I would have killed them.

If I understand you correctly, you are saying that if forced onto the near side hard shoulder due to oncoming traffic, then if there is a pedestrian walking away from you, you will just mow them down. And that’s ok because they didn’t exercise commonsense.

But, if the pedestrian is walking toward you then they can see your car coming and leap out of the way thereby saving themselves…and you.

I don’t follow your logic. I can see the benefit for the pedestrian in exercising commonsense, they can save themselves from maniacs who plow through even when there isn’t really space to pass. But what about cyclists cycling on your side of the road, who have their back to you? Should you slow or stop for them until there is room to pass?

The rules of the road are there to protect people who don’t exercise the best commonsense all the time.

A sad situation all around. Very unlucky for the doctor to be where he was and met up with this Brit who allegedly was under the influence of narcotics. Now we have a deceased Thai doctor and a 51-year-old Brit who has destroyed two lives and their families.

"Koh Samui court revokes brits bail over fatal crash"

Good. Throw the book at him. I despise all hit-and-run drivers and riders, certainly when they kill someone. He deserves to spend a long time in a Thai jail cell.

4 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

Where did you expect him to go? He had to surrender his passport, so he was not going to be able to fly out. His bail guarantee probably cleaned out all of his available funds, so he was not left with much money to pay for the runner. He may not have had anywhere to go even if he could do a runner.

I've been to Cambodia twice without documentation. The second time I didn't even realise until my friend started driving on the right. Drove straight past a couple of soldiers at the checkpoint. They just waved.

35 minutes ago, jaideedave said:

Red Bull ring any bells...he'll be on the old age pension soon...

Yes he is a prime example of getting away with murder in Thailand

2 minutes ago, emptypockets said:

I've been to Cambodia twice without documentation. The second time I didn't even realise until my friend started driving on the right. Drove straight past a couple of soldiers at the checkpoint. They just waved.

Correct no checks then all you need to do go to embassy and get replacement passport

After mowing down the doc this vile pos fled the scene. Deserves all that’s coming to him.

2 hours ago, MikeandDow said:

Where do you think you are ?? the baht rules in thailand ! there has been lots of murder cases that the perpetrator has paid and then gone home ! its a common occurrence in thailand

Ok though guy.

Wait and see!

6 hours ago, Srikcir said:

Unlikely in general.

Wilcock did not commit murder punishable by death penalty but manslaughter that involves a lack of intent or malice. Murder requires factors such as deliberation, retaliation, planned attack, etc., with intent to kill. He was charged with reckless driving and possibly under influence of drugs that should not reach the level of murder.

But in Thailand he will face a bench trial by a Thai judge or panel of judges without conviction by an unanimous jury.

In Thailand manslaughter is not punishable by the death penalty. Under Sec. 290 of the Thai Penal Code manslaughter is defined as causing death without the intent to kill - punishable by imprisonment for a term of three to fifteen years.

With 11 charges I think he is facing 20+ years.

But in Thailand it appears that sentencing can sometimes be mitigated by cash, ie., paid to the victim's estate.

Victim was a doctor, money might not matter that much. The family might want a harsh sentence to go with it. L ad Hi-So don't seem to forgive in Thailand. Foreigner seemed to have set up a good life in Thailand and threw it all away by DUI.

3 hours ago, fittobethaied said:

Just because street walking and jogging is a known cultural norm, it doesn't mean it's a good exercise in using common sense.I can't count the number of times in 16 years that I have been forced to the shoulder of the road by oncoming traffic. Had there been a jogger or a streetwalker on my side of the street on the shoulder, I would have killed them.

If you area good bike rider, then I appreciate your point. However, if the initial charges of: "reckless driving causing serious injury, driving after consuming alcohol or narcotics, driving without a license or insurance and failing to stop after the collision" (quoted from George's other post on this sad story) are valid, then, in this case, your argument is lost.

36 minutes ago, retayl said:

After mowing down the doc this vile pos fled the scene. Deserves all that’s coming to him.

Thais do that all the time nothing new !!

I am unsure how this will pan out, but bail revocation means it is being taken seriously.

I still haven't seen any updates about my pal, Mr Barry Kenyon MBE, former Honorary British Consul to Pattaya.

He was killed by a Middle Easterner riding a rented big bike, who lost control, and there was never any follow-up story.

14 minutes ago, MikeandDow said:

Thais do that all the time nothing new !!

They do, but we shouldn't set the bar by the behaviour of the worst drivers.

In my years living in Isaan, I've had three accidents. None were serious and none were my fault.

Two happened while my car was parked. In the first, the driver hit my vehicle and drove off. It later turned out he worked at the Land Office and sent an apology through a third party, along with promises that he'd help me with anything I ever needed there. Nice enough, I suppose, but it's not quite the same as stopping at the scene.

The second involved a vehicle being driven erratically. Whether it was a youngster or the owner behind the wheel, I still don't know. They clipped my wing mirror and were fortunate to do little more than graze the side of the car. Two minutes earlier, I would have been getting out of the vehicle. They didn't stop, either.

The third was outside the hospital. I was stationary when two kids on a motorbike ran into the back of my car, damaging the rear bumper. They disappeared as fast as they could.

Three accidents. Three occasions where the other party simply carried on their way.

I'm not suggesting this reflects everyone because it doesn't. There are plenty of responsible and considerate drivers. But in my experience, too many people seem more concerned with avoiding responsibility than doing the right thing when something goes wrong.

7 hours ago, Thumbs said:

Think this is the right thing to do especially with access to a boat thus avoiding typical border crossings, but is this a lesson learned from the red bull incident or discrimination

What is the "red bull incident"?

7 minutes ago, Scouse123 said:

They do, but we shouldn't set the bar by the behaviour of the worst drivers.

In my years living in Isaan, I've had three accidents. None were serious and none were my fault.

Two happened while my car was parked. In the first, the driver hit my vehicle and drove off. It later turned out he worked at the Land Office and sent an apology through a third party, along with promises that he'd help me with anything I ever needed there. Nice enough, I suppose, but it's not quite the same as stopping at the scene.

The second involved a vehicle being driven erratically. Whether it was a youngster or the owner behind the wheel, I still don't know. They clipped my wing mirror and were fortunate to do little more than graze the side of the car. Two minutes earlier, I would have been getting out of the vehicle. They didn't stop, either.

The third was outside the hospital. I was stationary when two kids on a motorbike ran into the back of my car, damaging the rear bumper. They disappeared as fast as they could.

Three accidents. Three occasions where the other party simply carried on their way.

I'm not suggesting this reflects everyone because it doesn't. There are plenty of responsible and considerate drivers. But in my experience, too many people seem more concerned with avoiding responsibility than doing the right thing when something goes wrong.

Responsibility is not in the Thai vocabulary

2 hours ago, MikeandDow said:

Correct no checks then all you need to do go to embassy and get replacement passport

I think he might get or might have got an ETD, Emergency travel document to get home.

He wouldn't get a passport, as the Embassies farm that process out to India or somewhere these days.

No doubt the Cambodians would have let him in, even if it was just to rub the noses in it of the Thai authorities.

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