1 hour ago, bendejo said:

Once met an Aussie fellow who thought Pirro was a comedian, and when I told him otherwise he refused to believe me. Well, unintentional comedian maybe.

My guess is that he is thinking 'Pierrot,' rather than Pirro, in which case he'd be correct.

1 hour ago, Eric Loh said:

Kristi Noem, Pam Bondi and soon Pirro and is a pattern of dispensable lady ministers that Trump will effortlessly thrown under the bus.

The female Sec’y at Dept of Labor resigned a while ago. Tulsi Gabbard also resigned at DNI (ostensibly to care for her husband) closely after embarrassing herself in Congressional hearings on assessing Iran’s nuclear program.

As the female Secretaries fall, Dept of Education’s Linda McMahon, the Small Business Administration head Kelly Loeffler and Dept of Agriculture Sec’y Brooke Rollins must be wondering if they are next.

54 minutes ago, Jim Waldron said:

Maybe so, but Courts deal in facts.

Trump’s “vandalism” claim has no expert backing. The only technical evidence is the manufacturer specs, sworn affidavits, and NPS inspection reports, and we're told this points to seam adhesion failure, not knife cuts.

Yes, those documents exist but aren’t public. Until they’re released, the cause isn’t definitive in the public domain. That’s also why Trump’s assertion is invalid.

The government contract and the manufactures specs are on line the only thing not on line is sworn affidavits, and NPS inspection reports there are plenty of reports from company which have used this product before saying it is the wrong product for the job

And it seems the courts do not deal in facts as there would not have been any charges brought in the first place

Edited August 4Aug 4 by MikeandDow

Trump claimed several times that there was video and photographic eveidence of these 'radical left' vandals cutting up the new lining of the reflecting pool. I imagine there's 24/7 video surveillance out there, so if there is video evidence, it shouldn't be too hard to produce. In fact, if there was evidence, Trump would be the first to post it on this Truth Social. But much like with his incessant whining about the 2020 election, it's all talk and no hard evidence.

The contractor who got the job for doing the reflecting pool was apparently a buddy of Trump's. Looks like he screwed up big time. But guess who's getting the job of repairing the damage?

1 hour ago, MikeandDow said:

The government contract and the manufactures specs are on line the only thing not on line is sworn affidavits, and NPS inspection reports there are plenty of reports from company which have used this product before saying it is the wrong product for the job

And it seems the courts do not deal in facts as there would not have been any charges brought in the first place

Agree. Lots of evidence out there for shoddy and/or incorrect work and repairs done too quickly. Zero evidence of vandalism.

1 hour ago, skytrooper70 said:

When a US Attorney appears before a Grand Jury, the only evidence presented is that of the US government. There is no counter presentation by the defense and the government doesn’t need to present any exculpatory evidence favorable to a defendant.

There is no judge present and no defense counsel, although witnesses can be called to testify. The GJ doesn’t determine guilt or innocence as it only has to determine whether there is “probable cause” to proceed to trial based solely upon the limited evidence it has seen.

This is why it’s a commonly heard joke that a US Attorney can obtain a Grand Jury indictment of a ham sandwich.

In this case, Pirro obtained the GJ indictment and made the claim that the US government had a “mountain of evidence” in the hopes of duping the defendant into a guilty plea deal. When he didn’t cave in, Pirro had no choice but to request dismissal of the charges.

The fact that there is no judge or defense counsel makes it all the more important that the US Attorney should have had very strong, credible evidence of a crime before going before a Grand Jury and potentially ruining someone's life and sending him to jail. This is very serious business, with a person's future in the balance, and needs to always be treated as such. As it turns out, she had zero credible evidence--and knew it. This is why she needs to be fired, disbarred, and then personally sued for defamation, due to her gross, lying, on-camera actions on national tv.

7 hours ago, Wingate said:

David Hearn's lawyers asked that the transcripts of the DoJ's presentation to the grand jury be made public.

Because it seems the grand jury was not given any real evidence, but rather Trumpian lies, Pirro probably got spooked that she could face punishment for professional misconduct, as could any attorney working with her. Maybe she isn't sure Fox will her back, so she wants to keep her license to practice law.

Sen Kennedy, a usual Trump supporter, even said this case is bogus. He wondered if Trump really believes the vandalism lie. He said, "we know Trump gets anxious when he has an unexpressed thought".

The US is at war, Iran hacked the Minnesota water system, but Trump wants attention focused on his vandalism lie.

I think the public deserves to see exactly what was presented to the grand jury as probable cause evidence. Hopefully some judges will have the gonads to have it released.

My guess is some big porkies were told to the grand jury to get the indictment and make DumboDon happy. I believe lying to a grand jury is a crime or at minimum likely results in loss of law license....and of course it all had to be approved by blanche...maybe we can have an attorney general with no law license...

If trump had any real evidence does anyone seriously think it would not be blasted all over fox "news" and truth social?

I would love to see the accused file a big lawsuit against fox and all their boot lickers who reported lie after lie and defamed mr hearn brought him death threats and worse from the cult...I suspect law suits that may be on the way and fox may get to write yet another big check for their lies.

For all the cult just imagine if this happened to you....indicted falsely for a crime you did not commit all based on lies and even when case is dropped the president still beats the same dead drum that you are guilty and you likely get death threats for rest of your life? How'd you like those apples?

CRM 1500-1999

1741. Perjury And False Declarations Before Grand Jury Or Court

Because false declarations affect the integrity of the factfinding process, the Attorney General's Council on White Collar Crime recommends that offenders be vigorously prosecuted. "Perjured testimony is an obvious and flagrant affront to the basic concepts of judicial proceedings." United States v. Mandujano, 425 U.S. 564, 576 (1976). See also, United States v. Wong, 431 U.S. 174, 180 (1977)("lying is not a way to challenge the Government's right to ask questions").

[cited in JM 9-69.200]

How long has Mr Hearn, who is a prominent public figure, been in custody because of false accusations, and how many millions of US$ in damages should he be rewarded under US laws?

16 hours ago, Jim Waldron said:

My take on this is that there is still no definitive cause.

Trump’s “vandalism” line is politically charged with zero technical backing.

DOJ’s “contractor error” is a legal interpretation, supported by affidavits and manufacturers specifications.

But, while it's almost certain that the actual expert documentation exists, it currently sits in court dockets and NPS files, not public view!

Unfortunately, until it’s finally released, the true cause remains open to interpretation based on who you are going to believe.

Well based on the fact that the man has no relationship to truth and would lie to anyone, about anything, why on earth would we ever believe Trump when he says anything?

The opposite holds true, if he says it it's likely false.

We have a complete adolescent as President. He is pitiful.

So the contractor who gave him the biggest kickback actually sucks, and when he gets called on it he cries like a baby and says the woman "folded". No baby Donnie, she called the kettle black, your contractor is at fault. Suck it up d***f**k

8 hours ago, rudi49jr said:

Trump claimed several times that there was video and photographic eveidence of these 'radical left' vandals cutting up the new lining of the reflecting pool.

He does this with just about anything that goes against him, and that is how you can be assured that he is sated with bovine digestive product: if such things existed action would have been taken by the time you're hearing about it.

3 hours ago, pomchop said:

For all the cult just imagine if this happened to you....indicted falsely for a crime you did not commit all based on lies and even when case is dropped the president still beats the same dead drum that you are guilty and you likely get death threats for rest of your life? How'd you like those apples?

Because "the poorly educated" aren't smart enough to see through his bs. If I had known sooner that so many people are stupid to that degree I probably would have gone in a different career direction in my youth.

I've never come across this in the media, but I think one of the factors at play is that too many Americans don't really understand that the implications of an election are not the same as voting for their favorite American Idol contestant.

7 hours ago, CallumWK said:

How long has Mr Hearn, who is a prominent public figure, been in custody because of false accusations, and how many millions of US$ in damages should he be rewarded under US laws?

No idea but for sure his life has been and likely will continue to be disrupted by false accusations and arrest and having his name picture home address etc blasted all over media along with death threats.....how dare him ride his bike around a public park and stop to look and even touch the damaged lining floating on top of a reflecting pool. And how very clever he was to hide some massive knife or box cutter in his tight bike outfit and manage to secret his "weapon" from the cops who cuffed him in broad daylight. Who exactly ordered the cops to arrest and cuff him? And now that potus is still insisting Hearn is some sort of criminal no doubt many of the brain dead cult will continue to threaten and harass him. SICK

Attorneys for Hearn have previously said the government “owes Mr Hearn an apology”.

“The Trump administration’s case against Davey Hearn should have never been brought,” his attorneys, including Levin, said on social media. “Its dismissal … does not erase the abuse of government power in arresting and charging a patriotic American who did nothing wrong.”

Hearn told the Associated Press that he had been detained by the national guard and US park police for five hours after stopping by the reflecting pool during a bike ride. He acknowledged that he briefly touched a part on the liner attached to the side and told NBC News the pool’s condition “was the same after I stepped away from the water as it was before I got there”.

Lawyers for Hearn have also called on prosecutors to disclose the legal instructions they gave to grand jurors about the elements of the criminal charge handed up against him.

“The grand jury transcripts disclosed to the defense thus far contain other irregularities that reflect a misleading presentation to the grand jury and a need for review of the entire grand jury record in this matter,” Hearn’s attorneys wrote.

Hearn’s opportunities for legal recourse against the federal government may come only after his attorneys petition the court to dismiss the case “with prejudice”, meaning that it could not be refiled. The justice department dropped the charge “without prejudice”, meaning that it can be refiled.

“We are responding with our own motion to dismiss with prejudice so that he is not longer at risk of being harassed by the government further,” Levin said on Tuesday. “Once that is resolved Mr Hearn will focus on what comes next.

“He’s considering all options.”

In a statement to the Wall Street Journal, Hearn’s attorney Norm Eisen said the team plan to go on the offensive against the government: “All legal remedies are on the table going forward to respond to the miscarriage of justice,” Eisen said.

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23 hours ago, lou norman said:

One is put in mind of H.L. Mencken: "As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."

Ah yes, the Great March of Progress...

We have no idea what this illustration means because we refuse to believe in Evolution or Science for that matter.

But we like it because it has a Trump flag in it! 😄

It hasn't been brought up in this thread, but Ms Pirro drinks a bit.

Oh boy Hearn's lawyers cranking up some big lawsuits and one of the biggest defendants is going to be fox news along with jesse waters and his fellow morons for millions of $$ in defamation suits. Of course trump will hide behind executive privledges while he will leave all his boot lickers under the bus.

Get that fox checkbook ready as if it does go to a jury i suspect jurors are not going to be very sympathetic especially since fox apparently learned nothing from the 750 million check that they wrote recently and it takes huge numbers for them to learn to stop it.

What kind of idiot lawyers at fox did not see this coming and allowed the fox "team" to continue to defame hearn over and over and over.?

Interior Secretary is a POS putting it mildly

https://www.advocate.com/politics/national/doug-burgum-joins-trump-fantasy?1

This fool is beyond maga crazy

TACO man is such an expert on folding he should start a Chinese Laundry. 😆

Underwater vandalism? Who would be physically capable of carrying out such a thing? Amphibians?

Sure, I voted for The Face Eating 🐅Tiger Clown 🤡 Party three times.

But I never thought he would ever eat my face. 😄

Ouch. Someone call the fire department.

Fresh scrutiny is bearing down on the Trump administration after the collapse of a high-profile vandalism case involving the Lincoln Memorial Reflecting Pool, with senior Senate Democrats demanding an investigation into how false claims reached the White House.

The calls come after the Justice Department dropped charges against Olympian David Hearn and others, concluding that key information pointing to construction failures had not been disclosed.

Senators Demand Answers

Senators Sheldon Whitehouse and Martin Heinrich have urged the Interior Department's inspector general to launch an immediate investigation into the origins of the vandalism narrative.

In a letter, the lawmakers questioned whether Interior officials misled President Donald Trump or whether the claim originated inside the White House itself. They also demanded a full account of what department officials knew about the pool's defects and when they became aware of them.

Case Collapses as Evidence Emerges

According to reporting by The Washington Post, Interior officials publicly blamed damage to the Reflecting Pool's new liner on vandals despite internal evidence indicating the problems stemmed from contractor errors during installation.

The Justice Department later acknowledged that relevant information about engineering failures had not been shared with prosecutors, leading to the collapse of the criminal case.

Contradictions Under the Spotlight

Trump repeatedly claimed vandals had slashed a 250-foot gash into the pool's liner with "very sharp knives or razors", later increasing the alleged damage to 350 feet. However, inspections of the drained pool reportedly found no evidence supporting those claims.

The senators argue Interior Department records instead point to a rushed installation, repeated failures during construction and widespread peeling of the liner as the true cause of the damage.

Political Fallout Intensifies

The controversy has deepened after Interior Secretary Doug Burgum continued to publicly blame vandals even after the Justice Department concluded faulty installation was responsible.

The Interior Department's inspector general has yet to say whether it will open an investigation. While the watchdog operates independently, growing political pressure is likely to keep questions over how the false narrative emerged at the centre of Washington's latest accountability battle.

Demands grow for facts on how Trump's Reflecting Pool lie was 'cooked up'