11 minutes ago, TedG said:

The best solution to Gaza would be a bulldozer from the river to the sea, starting at the Gaza border.

We can agree on this point: bulldoze everything between the river and the sea, which includes Israel, stop the funding, stop sending weapons, and let those entitled Israelis and foolish Palestinians deal with each other.

The toll this foolhardy endeavor of creating a Jewish country in the middle of Muslim territory has taken from the world, and from the people in the area, does not justify it.

78 years of war and massacres, Jews the most hated people on the planet. How much longer do they need to realize, it´s not working.

14 minutes ago, Somjot said:

We can agree on this point: bulldoze everything between the river and the sea, which includes Israel, stop the funding, stop sending weapons, and let those entitled Israelis and foolish Palestinians deal with each other.

This won't end well for the Palestinians, because they are stupid people. They are beyond help.

30 minutes ago, TedG said:

The best solution to Gaza would be a bulldozer from the river to the sea, starting at the Gaza border.

A massive dirty bomb would be great.

Then no one can have it.

Job done.

The two French Web sites with the stories about the fire at the zoo owner's home in France can be automatically translated. One French story is a pick-up of the other. They are different to the Thaiger report in one aspect: the French stories say a car was fire bombed and the flames spread to a garden and garage. Oddly, neither story said who owned the car.

This could explain the reason behind the slight coverage of the story. An attack on a parked car is less serious than an attack on an inhabited house.

Thanks again to @Somjot for the links.

Villeurbanne: A car was set on fire with Molotov cocktails in an anti-Semitism case in Thailand

An act of arson occurred on Wednesday morning in the Saint-Jean neighborhood of Villeurbanne. Two Molotov cocktails were found at the scene, one of which was intact.

It was around 5:00 a.m. on Wednesday, August 19, when a car was set ablaze in the northern part of the Saint-Jean neighborhood in Villeurbanne. A Molotov cocktail was reportedly thrown at the vehicle, sparking a major fire.

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Law enforcement officers arrived at the location to conduct an initial investigation.

https://www.lyoncapitale.fr/actualite/villeurbanne-une-voiture-incendiee-aux-cocktails-molotov-dans-une-affaire-dantisemitisme-en-thailande#google_vignette

The other Web site has a rather chilling Instagram message from the male zoo owner.

"'You’ve signed your own death warrants. Not only is my family safe, but […] we’ll see who’s left standing in Thailand,' the park manager reacted—issuing a barely veiled death threat—on Instagram, where he also posted a video of the incident."

https://www.leprogres.fr/faits-divers-justice/2026/08/19/des-cocktails-molotov-jetes-contre-une-habitation-a-villeurbanne-l-affaire-trouverait-son-origine-en-thailande

That guy has a lot of confidence if he feels he can take on IDF veterans, much less the Mossad. 🤣🤣🤣 He may get himself in trouble with Thai authorities, though.

21 hours ago, Somjot said:

Oh, my mistake! I completely forgot that when the UN draws a line on a map, it’s a secular, legally binding document, but when bulldozers clear a neighborhood in the West Bank, it’s just "strategic depth."

It is incredibly comforting to know that the Israeli government has never used the Bible as a real estate brochure.

Your sarcasm is misplaced. You are using it to hide your tactic of constantly moving the goal posts. Your reply above doesn't even make sense, so I won't try to answer.

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21 hours ago, Somjot said:

Basic Law: Israel as the Nation-State of the Jewish People explicitly calls the land the "historical homeland"—because nothing says "purely secular UN mandate" like invoking ancient tribal history in your constitutional laws.

The current coalition guidelines literally start with: "The Jewish people have an exclusive and inalienable right to all areas of the Land of Israel." I’m sure that "exclusive right" is based on a secular municipal zoning permit and definitely not a religious covenant, right?

Israel is the historical homeland of the world's Jews. However, the Israeli government's claims on the area were based on international action. The Balfour Declaration, the League of Nations' mandate and the U.N. partition plan were all steps towards solving the problems of the world's Jews by granting them a homeland. It was a practical approach to a longstanding social problem. It wasn't primarily driven by the belief in a promise by God.

The current government believes Jews have the exclusive right to Israel and it doesn't accept the creation of a Palestinian state on territory currently controlled by Israel. Some of the coalition political leaders take the Torah literally, but overall, the Netanyahu government bases its opposition to a Palestinian state on security concerns, not verses from the Torah.

21 hours ago, Somjot said:

Government-funded settlement roadmaps refer to the West Bank exclusively as "Judea and Samaria." Because using ancient biblical names for modern military zones is just peak secular efficiency.

Again, the historical Jewish name for that area is "Judea and Samaria." The name "West Bank" was given to the area by the Jordanian government when it annexed the territory in 1950. According to Google AI, Judea and Samaria "is the official administrative name used by the Israeli government and military. In Hebrew, it is called Yehuda ve-Shomron."

This does indeed have to do with history and not using a foreign term. You are trying to make Israel a theocracy when it is a secular state with a special status for Jewish beliefs and religious practices. Israel doesn't have a state religion or church, unlike England and several other countries.

Edited yesterday at 05:35 PM1 day by Evil Penevil

49 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

Israel is the historical homeland of the world's Jews.

No it is not.

The Levant or Palestine or any other place on this planet is the homeland of the people who have been living there uninterrupted.

DNA tests have proven that repeatedly. The Palestinians have the most levantine DNA simply because they have been living there for centuries if not millennia and many of them are the descendants of Jews, who converted to Christianity and later maybe to Islam just to avoid problems with the actual rulers.

49 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

However, the Israeli government's claims on the area were based on international action. The Balfour Declaration, the League of Nations' mandate and the U.N. partition plan were all steps towards solving the problems of the world's Jews by granting them a homeland. It was a practical approach to a longstanding social problem. It wasn't primarily driven by the belief in a promise by God.

The current government believes Jews have the exclusive right to Israel and it doesn't accept the creation of a Palestinian state on territory currently controlled by Israel. Some of the coalition political leaders take the Torah literally, but overall, the Netanyahu government bases its opposition to a Palestinian state on security concerns, not verses from the Torah.

Again, the historical Jewish name for that area is "Judea and Samaria." The name "West Bank" was given to the area by the Jordanian government when it annexed the territory in 1950. According to Google AI, Judea and Samaria "is the official administrative name used by the Israeli government and military. In Hebrew, it is called Yehuda ve-Shomron."

The Balfour declaration is not valid as a British king has no right to decide over the land of other people but let´s for the sake of the argument believe for a second that it is valid, Jews somehow forgot or intentionally ignore the following part of it:

“It being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of the existing non Jewish communities in Palestine.”

If you want to base the claim on the UN partition plan, again it's understandable that the people living there for centuries did not accept it especially when they had no say and no voting right in the UN and the decision was made over their heads.

A logic that is still applied in present times like the US sanctioning ICC judges and arguing that countries which are not a member of the ICC cannot be judged by them.

So how could the UN decide about a country or area which was not a member of the UN?

Double standard.

Not to mention all the UN resolutions in the following years which Israel didn't care about. 

It doesn't matter how some area was called 3000 years ago and to whom it belonged at that time.

If ancient possession could be used as a base for present claims you should go back to Egypt and be their slaves. Do you not understand how stupid that sounds?

49 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

This does indeed have to do with history and not using a foreign term. You are trying to make Israel a theocracy when it is a secular state with a special status for Jewish beliefs and religious practices. Israel doesn't have a state religion or church, unlike England and several other countries.

Israel is definitely not a theocracy which is a kind of country run by religious leaders with the legal system based on divine law and that Israel is clearly not following many of the 10 commandments can be seen every day in social media.

Israel is a terror state with the terrorist army, who forcefully steals land, kills the owners Or puts them or puts them in their detention centers where they are raped and tortured, who intentionally murders civilians and children using them for target practice with a government that openly discusses the right to rape or the recent bon mot of Ben-Gvir calling for the killing of 30 to 40 Palestinians and “go beyond those who pose a danger” and adding “There are people there who are not worthy of life. They shouldn’t live. They’re not even people.”

But the most unbelievable and baffling part of the whole thing is that despite all this Israel still claims to be the victim.

Oh, and complains about the rise of anti-Semitism.

I do not envy you, I've always had the impression that you are a not only highly educated but also honorable with a moral code based on humanism, equality, honesty, fairness and integrity but now life put you in a position where you have to defend a country you feel 100% loyal to despite seeing it´s wrongdoings almost everyday.

And you always keep your calm, something I sometimes fail to do when confronted with statements that totally lack logic that even a 3 year old would shake it´s head.

 

 The reason why I speak up is not antisemitism, a stupid accusation by the way as I will always fail to understand how someone could possibly hate every Jew on the planet.

I do not hate Jews or anybody else, I hate to be lied to and that sometimes in a way where the lie is so obvious that it is more an insult than a lie.

For example: nobody in his right mind would bomb all the buildings where the hostages he is supposed to save might be held captive in. That's just nonsense.

 

I guess we both are fighting windmills like once Don Quichotte or better Sisyphus who had to push that huge rock up the hill, as the truth is that too much has happened, too many losses on both sides, too many unforgivable actions, - both sides are doomed.

UPDATE

Court fines Israeli man over Koh Samui zoo threat

13 hours ago, Somjot said:

And you always keep your calm, something I sometimes fail to do when confronted with statements that totally lack logic that even a 3 year old would shake it´s head.

I learned a long time ago, when I was a teenager, that name-calling and angry outbursts aren't good tactics in any debate or discussion. They interfere with effective communication and would hinder, rather than help, me to make my point.

I would advise all pro-Israel board members to stay cool even when you come across outrageous posts. Don't reply to those posts, just report them to the Mods.

13 hours ago, Somjot said:

I do not envy you, I've always had the impression that you are a not only highly educated but also honorable with a moral code based on humanism, equality, honesty, fairness and integrity but now life put you in a position where you have to defend a country you feel 100% loyal to despite seeing it´s wrongdoings almost everyday.

Thank you for the kind words. They are much appreciated. The fact that you posted them speaks highly of your character. I feel you are motivated by concern and empathy for the plight of the Palestinian people. I can't agree with a lot of what you write, but you are not in any way an antisemite.

Unfortunately, the board does have a few hardcore antisemites, but you are definitely not one of them.

13 hours ago, Somjot said:

I guess we both are fighting windmills like once Don Quichotte or better Sisyphus who had to push that huge rock up the hill, as the truth is that too much has happened, too many losses on both sides, too many unforgivable actions, - both sides are doomed.

I feel at times I am jousting with the real dragons of antisemitism and ignorance, not just the windmills of Internet trolldom. It is indeed a Sisyphean task that never ends.

12 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

Unfortunately, the board does have a few hardcore antisemites, but you are definitely not one of them.

Who cares who "hates" who? The term is so abstract as to barely mean anything. Obsessing with anti-semitism has always been and still is a scam. It's a diversion.

A lot of people hate a lot of people. A lot of people hate Americans because they don't like Trump. A lot of people hate me personally for reasons I can't even grasp. As long as they don't punch me in the head, they are allowed to hate me.

Trying to "police anti-semitism" on the internet by calling people "Jew haters" is an exercise in futility. It's like trying to chase down a ghost.

Just argue the specific points about Israel. Do you think Isreal has the right to exist and their actions are justified? Fine, continue arguing your points and those who don't will also continue to argue their points. Please give us a break with the "Jew hater" nonsense, though.

If anyone attacks a random Jewish person on the street because they "hate Jews" and don't like Israel's policies, they should be arrested. We don't have the right to behave as vigilantes and randomly attack people, no matter what our political convictions.

Edited 9 hours ago9 hr by save the frogs