Ok so I’m on my third non o.

First was issued from London then extended for 60 days at CW. Next one was from Vientiane and extended for 60 days.

The reason I’m extending only 60 as I’m

not married to the mother and don’t have the kor 11 or court order.

Anyway after getting my recent non o from Vientiane in June I went to cw today to get another 60 days. After taking payment and sending me away they called me back 5 mins later to say we will only give you 7 days extension as we want you to get a kor11 via the court. When I asked why they said government has changed the rules? Wtf and when did they do this?

Anyone else had this experience.

Looks like they are forcing me to use an agent. Lucky I’m 50 next month then.

Edited August 21Aug 21 by Louis100

34 minutes ago, Louis100 said:

When I asked why they said government has changed the rules? Wtf and when did they do this?

That was an excuse to cover their previous mistakes.

IMO you were very fortunate to previously obtain 60 day extensions.

When a child is born out of wedlock, it's a known who the Mother is, but not the Father as anyone could be named on a birth certificate.
You have to follow a legal procedure to be 'legalised' as the Father to have parental rights.

There is an old topic on this subject you'd benefit from reading;

45 minutes ago, Louis100 said:

When I asked why they said government has changed the rules? Wtf and when did they do this?

I don't know how you got the Non O,s in first place let alone 60 day extensions.

Seems you don't live with child after entry?

Yeah but the mother consents I’m the father yet the amphur still refuse to issue a kor 11 and say go to court.

Also I was told at CW before Kor 11 gives you 1 year extensions, without It you can get 60 days.

Visa agent it is then to cut out off of this nonsense.

Just now, DrJack54 said:

I don't know how you got the Non O,s in first place let alone 60 day extensions.

Seems you don't live with child after entry?

I live with the mother and 2 children

1 minute ago, Louis100 said:

I live with the mother and 2 children

Depending on how long you live per year in Thailand I suggest consider a Non O + 12 month extension + reentry permit.

8 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Depending on how long you live per year in Thailand I suggest consider a Non O + 12 month extension + reentry permit.

I’ve been here with her for 14 months. Can’t get a one year as no kor11.

I was told that what i was doing was fine. Single entry then extend 60 days repeat etc

Anyway yeah it’s all a nonsense. Just pay the agent 14k a year and save me all this hassle plus loads of money too.

10 minutes ago, Louis100 said:

Yeah but the mother consents I’m the father yet the amphur still refuse to issue a kor 11 and say go to court.

Both the Mother and Child must consent to you being the Father for an Amphur to issue a Kor. Ror. 11
Usually the child must be at least 7 years of age in order to consent.

16 minutes ago, Louis100 said:

Also I was told at CW before Kor 11 gives you 1 year extensions, without It you can get 60 days.

That was not correct information.
As far as Immigration is concerned you are just someone named as the Father on a birth certificate, which alone, out of wedlock does not give you any parental rights.

So why give out a non o for visit Thai child?

3 minutes ago, Louis100 said:

So why give out a non o for visit Thai child?

Thai Embassies will issue a Non O based on Thai Family merely from a Childs Birth Certificate when named as the Father.

Once in Thailand, Thai law takes precedence and you must be 'legalised' as the Father.

Where the child is to young to give consent, you and the Mother can file a petition at the family Courts for a Court Order.

The Amphur will then issue a Kor Ror 11 on production of that Court Order.

Another solution would be to marry the Mother!

Edited August 21Aug 21 by Liquorice

22 minutes ago, Louis100 said:

Anyway yeah it’s all a nonsense. Just pay the agent 14k a year and save me all this hassle plus loads of money too.

You'd have to apply for a 1 year extension based on retirement (50 +).
The problem may be the Non O was based on Thai Family, not retirement.
If you haven't got 800K in a Thai bank account for 2 months, then expect to pay more than 14K.

3 minutes ago, Liquorice said:

You'd have to apply for a 1 year extension based on retirement (50 +).
The problem may be the Non O was based on Thai Family, not retirement.
If you haven't got 800K in a Thai bank account for 2 months, then expect to pay more than 14K.

I’ve been told by an agent that they can extend the non o based on Thai child to a one year retirement extension. I have money in the bank as I originally thought I could extend based on having a Thai child for a year but obviously wasn’t able too. The money has been sitting in a Thai bank account ever since. The agent also says no money required and price is the same.

2 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

I don't know how you got the Non O,s in first place let alone 60 day extensions.

Seems you don't live with child after entry?

2 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

I don't know how you got the Non O,s in first place let alone 60 day extensions.

Seems you don't live with child aI don't know how you got the Non O,s in first place let alone 60 day extensions.

Seems you don't live with child after entry?

I remember you commented on another thread of mine around a year ago. I was saying is it possible to get a single entry non o then extend for 60 days. So that 5 month cycle just repeat.

You said yes that’s an option. That’s why I’m

Confused as I always thought the 60 days was for parents who don’t have the kor 11.

A few others said that’s what many do also. Even immigration told me no kor 11 but don’t worry 60 days is fine.

Just confused and disappointed that’s all.

Edit Sorry for the multiple quotes. Not sure what happened there

Edited August 21Aug 21 by Louis100

1 minute ago, Louis100 said:

A few others said that’s what many do also. Even immigration told me no kor 11 but don’t worry 60 days is fine

Seems you are looking to do this back to back ongoing.

Unrelated however some folk obtain a Non O retirement and use that to enter Thailand for 90 stamp with no intention of extension.

At a guess this will eventually have push back

25 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Seems you are looking to do this back to back ongoing.

Unrelated however some folk obtain a Non O retirement and use that to enter Thailand for 90 stamp with no intention of extension.

At a guess this will eventually have push back

Yeah that was the plan. Oh well I guess it’s not possible. I refuse to pay 50k or whatever it is for a judge to say I’m the real father when the mother already consents. I also like doing things myself but yeah I’m forced to now use an agent. Lucky I’ll be 50 next month.

Thanks for the replies everyone 👍

Edited August 21Aug 21 by Louis100

16 minutes ago, Louis100 said:

I also like doing things myself but yeah I’m forced to now use an agent. Lucky I’ll be 50 next month

If you are 50+ suggest you go retirement route with or without agent.

Best of luck

6 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

If you are 50+ suggest you go retirement route with or without agent.

Best of luck

With an agent. So much less hassle.

I paid 4000 today just for a 7 day extension that I didn’t want. Taxis and food included. Also wasted a whole day .

3 minutes ago, Louis100 said:

With an agent. So much less hassle.

I paid 4000 today just for a 7 day extension that I didn’t want.

Just my thinking.

Next time obtain a Non O retirement and after entry to Thailand have agent obtain 12 month extension + multi reentry permit..

Which immigration office would you deal with

59 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Just my thinking.

Next time obtain a Non O retirement and after entry to Thailand have agent obtain 12 month extension + multi reentry permit..

Which immigration office would you deal with

Bangkok but agent obviously won’t be

5 minutes ago, Louis100 said:

Bangkok but agent obviously won’t be

Up to you.

Agents Bangkok and Pattaya can obtain 12 month extensions.

Assume you have Thai bank account in your name only

8 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Up to you.

Agents Bangkok and Pattaya can obtain 12 month extensions.

Assume you have Thai bank account in your name only

Several accounts. As I’ve said I was kind of misguided here and by immigration themselves.

My bad.

If you really want to make life simple then get a Non O retirement eVisa.

Transfer 800k into Thai bank a/c and do ongoing extensions + multi reentry permit.

Yes has financial requirements.

Seems you are making simple difficult.

14 hours ago, Liquorice said:

That was an excuse to cover their previous mistakes.

IMO you were very fortunate to previously obtain 60 day extensions.

There is nothing in the rules for 60 day visit thai family extensions that say the father must have legal recognized parental rights to get the 60 day extension..

In fact the only change in the visit thai family extension that I can see happened recently was when some up country immigration offices refused to issue the 60 days on a free stamp (visa exempt) entry, telling the applicant that if they had a 90 day Non-O they could get it but not on a tourist visa or free stamp entry. Although with that being said, IT Square Laksi Plaza will issue 60 day visit family extensions to people with half thai children here on free stamps

I know of people who have half thai children born out of wedlock that have been getting single entry Non-O's then a 60 day extension based on visit thai family at their immigration office for years and years. Someone did it every 5 months like clockwork for many years until the child was old enough to take to the amphur and get him recognized as the legal father when he could finally get the year extension.

As long as the O/P had the child, the mother, all the documents birth certificate, house book, thai i/d of the mother, they should have gotten the 60 days. I haven't heard of any blanket policy change that you need legal parental rights to get that extension

4 hours ago, Tod Daniels said:

There is nothing in the rules for 60 day visit thai family extensions that say the father must have legal recognized parental rights to get the 60 day extension..

In fact the only change in the visit thai family extension that I can see happened recently was when some up country immigration offices refused to issue the 60 days on a free stamp (visa exempt) entry, telling the applicant that if they had a 90 day Non-O they could get it but not on a tourist visa or free stamp entry. Although with that being said, IT Square Laksi Plaza will issue 60 day visit family extensions to people with half thai children here on free stamps

I know of people who have half thai children born out of wedlock that have been getting single entry Non-O's then a 60 day extension based on visit thai family at their immigration office for years and years. Someone did it every 5 months like clockwork for many years until the child was old enough to take to the amphur and get him recognized as the legal father when he could finally get the year extension.

As long as the O/P had the child, the mother, all the documents birth certificate, house book, thai i/d of the mother, they should have gotten the 60 days. I haven't heard of any blanket policy change that you need legal parental rights to get that extension

Yes I had everything like the previous two times they grated me 60 days

I’ve just checked my passport again and see the gave me a 60 day extension then stamped cancelled over the top of it. Underneath there is another large stamp that looks similar to an extension saying the original extension was not approved therefore they have only given me an extra 7 days to leave the kingdom after my 90 day stamp ends.

So my extension was rejected even I had all the paperwork and mother and kids with me.

I’d love to see this new government rule she mentioned.

2 hours ago, Louis100 said:

I’ve just checked my passport again and see the gave me a 60 day extension then stamped cancelled over the top of it. Underneath there is another large stamp that looks similar to an extension saying the original extension was not approved therefore they have only given me an extra 7 days to leave the kingdom after my 90 day stamp ends.

So my extension was rejected even I had all the paperwork and mother and kids with me.

I’d love to see this new government rule she mentioned.

It definitely used to be possible to get the 60-day extension with just a birth certificate; it's probably an internal immigration rule that has changed, nothing published.

Those 7 days you got aren't a regular extension. They've rejected your application and give you 7 days to leave Thailand. That in itself isn't unusual when an application isn't accepted.

6 hours ago, Tod Daniels said:

There is nothing in the rules for 60 day visit thai family extensions that say the father must have legal recognized parental rights to get the 60 day extension..

Section 2.24 (60 day extension) states there must be proof of relationship.

OP has no proof of being the legitimated Father, therefore no relationship.
He has no parental rights, no commitment to the children.

Section 1546 of the Civil and Commercial Codes of Practice make it clear then when a child is born out of wedlock, only the woman is deemed the legitimate parent.
https://library.siam-legal.com/thai-law/civil-and-commercial-code-parent-child-section-1536-1560/

It's akin to applying for a 60 day extension to visit Thai spouse, when you only had a local village wedding ceremony.

6 hours ago, Tod Daniels said:

I know of people who have half thai children born out of wedlock that have been getting single entry Non-O's then a 60 day extension based on visit thai family at their immigration office for years and years. Someone did it every 5 months like clockwork for many years until the child was old enough to take to the amphur and get him recognized as the legal father when he could finally get the year extension.

I similarly know of such cases, the difference being only one 60 day extension was granted via leniency at the IO's discretion, but were informed for future extensions they would require a KorRor 11.

OP appears to have been aware of this requirement, but presumably the child(ren) were to young to give consent for the Amphur to issue said document.

He has 3 options;
Marriage to the Mother.
Apply for a KR 11 at the Amphur (Appears the child(ren) are to young to consent
Apply to the Court for an Order.
(Section 1547 of the Civil and Commercial Codes of Practice.)

19 hours ago, Louis100 said:

I refuse to pay 50k or whatever it is for a judge to say I’m the real father when the mother already consents

No idea where the OP obtained this price.
Up Country it costs 2K for a lawyer to file the petition.

Yeah surely they should publish the rules so applicants know.

I mean I had everything needed according to what they asked for last time.

Anyway it’s Thailand after all. They make things up as they go along.

23 hours ago, Louis100 said:

Lucky I’m 50 next month then.

Then, just get the retirement visa.

No problem.

4 minutes ago, Liquorice said:

Section 2.24 (60 day extension) states there must be proof of relationship.

OP has no proof of being the legitimated Father, therefore no relationship.
He has no parental rights, no commitment to the children.

Section 1546 of the Civil and Commercial Codes of Practice make it clear then when a child is born out of wedlock, only the woman is deemed the legitimate parent.
https://library.siam-legal.com/thai-law/civil-and-commercial-code-parent-child-section-1536-1560/

It's akin to applying for a 60 day extension to visit Thai spouse, when you only had a local village wedding ceremony.

I similarly know of such cases, the difference being only one 60 day extension was granted via leniency at the IO's discretion, but were informed for future extensions they would require a KorRor 11.

OP appears to have been aware of this requirement, but presumably the child(ren) were to young to give consent for the Amphur to issue said document.

He has 3 options;
Marriage to the Mother.
Apply for a KR 11 at the Amphur (Appears the child(ren) are to young to consent
Apply to the Court for an Order.
(Section 1547 of the Civil and Commercial Codes of Practice.)

No idea where the OP obtained this price.
Up Country it costs 2K for a lawyer to file the petition.

Know any lawyers near buriram that charge 2k to file a petition. I’d be grateful if you knew of any.

Partner called 2-3 and all wanted 25k up and I think one offered 50k for doing court order for both children rather than one.

Anyway I only have 7 days so can’t see how immigration expect me to do it so fast when I was told the process can take a couple of months

I’m gonna have to leave Thailand within 3 weeks to try and get a new non o single entry.