19 hours ago, save the frogs said:

How come Carney is wearing an unbuttoned shirt with no tie on the 1st photo?

Who does he think he is? Frank Sinatra?

Not everyone benefits from a tie......🤣

What a surprise that when grown-ups try to reason with Stupid it rarely goes well.

27 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Please tell me how the USA having a positive trade balance with Australia, but applying tariffs nonetheless, is not causing reputational damage there.

Then there's the matter of $350 billion for secondhand nuclear submarines which will be obsolete by the time we get them.

I am not the only Australian that thinks our government should tell Trump to go suck a turd. I understand he has a plentiful supply.

TBH, I don't have a clue. I've never looked into it.

But if I were a betting man, I'd bet those tariffs are on items that are being shipped into Australia, repackaged with "Made in Oz", then shipped to the USA.

There's a lot of that going on, including Thailand.

Edited August 23Aug 23 by impulse

The Americans actually tried to interfere in Canadian sovereign matters, treating it like a vassal state. If I was a Canadian I'd be furious. Canadians who support trump are basically quislings.

4 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

The Americans actually tried to interfere in Canadian sovereign matters, treating it like a vassal state. If I was a Canadian I'd be furious. Canadians who support trump are basically quislings.

And Canadians supporting their current government are basically communists!

Just now, BritManToo said:

And Canadians supporting their current government are basically communists!

Hence, Wexit.

The sane Canucks in Alberta and most of BC want none of it.

PM Carney told trump to go <deleted> himself, and that move has broad political support in Canada.

"Even Carney’s chief Conservative rival, Pierre Poilievre, offered a helping hand “to protect Canadians and our industries targeted by these unfair U.S. tariffs.”

Ontario Premier Doug Ford, a Conservative politician who nonetheless reliably supports Carney — a Liberal — on trade issues, immediately supported Ottawa’s decision to walk away from the table.

“I’m glad he didn’t sign that deal because it was a bad deal,” Ford told reporters Saturday."

1 minute ago, BLMFem said:

PM Carney told trump to go f**k himself, and that move has broad political support in Canada.

I'm not sure it's a good idea to flip off the country that buys over 70% of your exports. Your best customer. About $11.2K USD for each Canuck.

It may feel good in the moment, but it's going to hurt a lot of Canucks.

Just now, impulse said:

I'm not sure it's a good idea to flip off the country that buys over 70% of your exports. Your best customer. About $11.2K USD for each Canuck.

It may feel good in the moment, but it's going to hurt a lot of Canucks.

Sure, but the Canadians are much more ready for this fight than trump and the Americans. Most Americans don't support trump's trade war on Canada. A large majority of Canadians support PM Carney's standing up to the Americans' bully tactics.

"Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney has much more political permission to accept pain from a U.S.-Canadian trade war than Trump does.

To read current Canadian polling is to see a country united under its political leadership—and energized by its dislike and distrust of Trump’s United States. A majority of Canadians view Trump’s America as a more immediate threat to their security than Russia or China, and two-thirds favor the government taking a hard line in trade talks; fewer than one-quarter regard the United States as trustworthy. Meanwhile, Carney is backed by the Canadian public, polling at about 60 percent approval, a remarkable figure in a multiparty political system."

7 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

Sure, but the Canadians are much more ready for this fight than trump and the Americans. Most Americans don't support trump's trade war on Canada. A large majority of Canadians support PM Carney's standing up to the Americans' bully tactics.

What Trump doesn't understand is this.

There are now many major countries that have a problem with ONE trading partner. The US

The US has now a problem with MANY trading partners.

All those countries need the US in one way or another, while the US also need each of those countries in one way or another

Those countries grow closer to each other every day, only because the US is bullying them all, and they fill in each other with what they need the US for.

You don't need to be an expert in economics to see who will be on the losing end of this war.

Edited August 23Aug 23 by CallumWK

7 minutes ago, CallumWK said:

What Trump doesn't understand is this.

There are now many major countries that have a problem with ONE trading partner. The US

The US has now a problem with MANY trading partners.

All those countries need the US in one way or another, while the US also need each of those countries in one way or another

Those countries grow closer to each other every day, only because the US is bullying them all, and they fill in each other with what they need the US for.

You don't need to be an expert in economics to see who will be on the losing end of this war.

Blowing off and antagonizing all your old friends and allies won't make the US wealthier and stronger. Only the very stupid believe that.

When the dust settles and this US administration of corrupt misfits is gone, the US will emerge much, much weaker and poorer.

2 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

Blowing off and antagonizing all your old friends and allies won't make the US wealthier and stronger. Only the very stupid believe that.

When the dust settles and this US administration of corrupt misfits is gone, the US will emerge much, much weaker and poorer.

You are misreading the situation. Canada needs the US a lot more than the US needs Canada.

Carney may play Frank Sinatra, but in reality he's wearing a stupid man suit.

He's led Canada into a world of pain. And the Candians applauding this are even more stupid than Carney.

Edited August 23Aug 23 by Cameroni

7 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Carney may play Frank Sinatra, but in reality he's wearing a stupid man suit.

He's led Canada into a world of pain. And the Candians applauding this are even more stupid than Carney.

No idea what Frank Sinatra has to do with Mark Carney?

Nothing.

Economy is driven by good decisions that are made. Or not.

You don't seem to know about Carney's background and his track record.

You attack with ad hominem arguments only. So basically the same as the 47th does with people who are smarter than he is i.e."shut up piggy".

You have the same level. Congrats - you can be proud of yourself.

5 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

You are misreading the situation. Canada needs the US a lot more than the US needs Canada.

Carney may play Frank Sinatra, but in reality he's wearing a stupid man suit.

He's led Canada into a world of pain. And the Candians applauding this are even more stupid than Carney.

The man leading Canada has a doctorate in economics, and has been the head of central banks.

The individual leading the US is an openly corrupt traitor who is credibly accused of being a child rapist, and who managed to bankrupt several casinos.

'nuff said.

1 hour ago, BritManToo said:

And Canadians supporting their current government are basically communists!

Helpful tip:

Stop using big words you don't understand the meaning of.

1 hour ago, BritManToo said:

And Canadians supporting their current government are basically communists!

Dear me. You are cranky today.

Did a hottie knock back your 1000 baht, or did the local bar run out of wine cooler?

2 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Dear me. You are cranky today.

Did a hottie knock back your 1000 baht, or did the local bar run out of wine cooler?

Got two boxes of Full Moon dark in the fridge.

Good idea, think I'll have one now!

40 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

The man leading Canada has a doctorate in economics

Oh dear, I hope not from Liverpool Polytechnic like Jason Arday.

Isn't it funny how the doctor in economics is a pauper and the non-academic president of the US is a billionaire? Those who can't teach, those who can do, as Tom Cruise said so eloquently.

"credibly accused of being a child rapist" Lol, dear oh dear...

49 minutes ago, Schoggibueb said:

No idea what Frank Sinatra has to do with Mark Carney?

Nothing.

Economy is driven by good decisions that are made. Or not.

You don't seem to know about Carney's background and his track record.

You attack with ad hominem arguments only. So basically the same as the 47th does with people who are smarter than he is i.e."shut up piggy".

You have the same level. Congrats - you can be proud of yourself.

Whatever academic credentials he has, obviously they did not help him make the correct decision. We all know what Carney did. Not very much.

1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

We all know what Carney did. Not very much.

Poor, you're not to able to bring any arguments except that you try to discredit Carney.

So again, only ad hominem. You've got nothing else to say.

1 minute ago, Schoggibueb said:

Poor, you're not to able to bring any arguments except that you try to discredit Carney.

So again, only ad hominem. You've got nothing else to say.

It looks like you do not know what "ad hominem" means. It is very legitimate to note that Carney has achieved very little, both as governor of the Bank of England, where his track record was very poor indeed and now as Canadian politician where he also makes mistake after mistake.

Failed Forward Guidance: In an effort to maximize transparency, Carney introduced "forward guidance" by tying interest rate hikes to specific economic indicators, such as unemployment falling below 7%. However, when those targets were met, the bank frequently altered its criteria or withheld rate increases.

This shifting stance prompted Labour MP Pat McFadden to famously label Carney the "unreliable boyfriend"—someone who makes promises about the future but continuously fails to follow through, confusing financial markets.

Carney faced severe public backlash for cutting interest rates to record lows (0.25% at one point) and expanding quantitative easing. Critics argued that this prolonged "cheap money" environment severely penalized ordinary savers.

Detractors blamed his ultra-loose monetary policy for fuelling a massive surge in UK housing prices, effectively pricing younger generations out of the property market.

Carney made climate change risk a core pillar of the Bank of England's agenda. Political and economic critics argued that this was an ideological distraction that overstepped a central banker’s remit, redirecting focus away from core duties like productivity and financial stability.

While Carney introduced greater procedural transparency, former Monetary Policy Committee (MPC) members noted that some reforms—like logging and eventual publication of meeting transcripts—inadvertently stifled open, spontaneous debate, causing members to read rigid, pre-prepared statements instead.

Like I said, his legacy in England is very poor. And his current performance is not much better.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-51851150

17 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Oh dear, I hope not from Liverpool Polytechnic like Jason Arday.

Isn't it funny how the doctor in economics is a pauper and the non-academic president of the US is a billionaire? Those who can't teach, those who can do, as Tom Cruise said so eloquently.

"credibly accused of being a child rapist" Lol, dear oh dear...

Yeah, it's remarkable how profitable blatant corruption is!🤣

2 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

It looks like you do not know what "ad hominem" means. It is very legitimate to note that Carney has achieved very little, both as governor of the Bank of England, where his track record was very poor indeed and now as Canadian politician where he also makes mistake after mistake.

Yesss, mistake after mistake - is that so?

I've got news for you:

18th August:

No More Concessions: Canadians Want a Tougher Approach to U.S. Trade Talks

When Canadians are asked what should happen next, the preference is clearer: push harder, limit concessions and keep more aggressive responses on the table.

Key Highlights

• 56% of Canadians want the federal government to take a hard line and make no more concessions, compared with 31% who favour flexibility if needed.

• 74% of Canadians support a special tax on electricity sold to the U.S., while 70% support restricting U.S.-owned companies from bidding on Canadian government contracts and 70% support taxing oil and natural gas exports.

Canadians Are More Comfortable Applying Pressure Than Making Concessions

Beyond the measures highlighted above, 64% of Canadians support banning the sale of U.S. liquor in Canada, while 63% favour taxing potash exports and 59% support tariffs on a broad range of U.S.-manufactured goods.

Strange that over 56% of Canadians support what Carney does. And now compare that number with the 47th in the US.

So you still can't argue with facts.

P.S. I do really understand what ad hominem means. That's what you are doing (with Carney of course).

https://leger360.com/in-the-news-canada-us-trade-negotiations-august-2026/

Edited August 23Aug 23 by Schoggibueb
link added

46 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Oh dear, I hope not from Liverpool Polytechnic like Jason Arday.

Isn't it funny how the doctor in economics is a pauper and the non-academic president of the US is a billionaire? Those who can't teach, those who can do, as Tom Cruise said so eloquently.

"credibly accused of being a child rapist" Lol, dear oh dear...

Tom Cruise?? He may have said it; so have I. It's a quote from George Bernard Shaw, 1903.

If the US population is 350+ million and Canada is only 40.5 million ( as stated in a post above) why is the US so worried about selling diary products, alcohol and bleached chickens and eggs to Canada. Canada cannot mandate that consumers buy such products.

Is the supposed 11% potential increase (by population) in those commodities really so significant? If petroleum and other prices were lower in the US then maybe the US population could absorb the 11% desired increase in the volume of those commodities by buying more.

In contrast? The UK imports something like 80% of it's food. We don't see the UK PM complaining that France/Spain/Netherlands/Belgium/maybe even China et all buy more commodities from UK because there is an imbalance.

Something more is afoot in the US.

Canada would have no problem selling its oil and gas to other countries especially in the current climate with what's going on with Iran and Im sure they are actively seeking new markets for everything else.

Even when Trump disappears the damage will have been done and Canada will no longer be so dependant on trade with the US.

Meanwhile Trump is making Americans pay 50% more for Canadian goods which will no doubt reduce demand in the US unless they cant get it anywhere else, but if Canada finds other markets it's only the US that suffers.

Or have I missed something?

According to statements by Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney following the collapse of trade negotiations, the U.S. made last-minute demands during talks that would have restricted Canada's sovereign ability to independently pursue future trade deals with other countries.

What country would agree to something like that?

4 hours ago, BLMFem said:

Just a reminder that this guy lead the American side in the trade negotiations, and that he's stupid.

Think I saw this fella arriving on Epstein Island in a clip from 10-15 years ago...

9 minutes ago, bunnydrops said:

According to statements by Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney following the collapse of trade negotiations, the U.S. made last-minute demands during talks that would have restricted Canada's sovereign ability to independently pursue future trade deals with other countries.

What country would agree to something like that?

Yes, I think that was a big one that stung a little.........