4 hours ago, johng said:

They view you as Goyim and cattle.

The words "goy" and "goyim" (plural) originally meant "nation" in Hebrew, but came to mean "non-Jew" during Roman times. The English word "gentile" is the translation of "goy." It refers to ALL non-Jews, not just white Christians.

"Goyim" has never meant "cattle" in Hebrew or Yiddish. That is merely an antisemitic myth. "Goy" is sometimes used today by U.S. Jews in a mildly perjorative fashion to refer to the worst aspects of blue collar or Middle Class culture, but never to mean "cattle."

Edited August 24Aug 24 by Evil Penevil

I used to know a Thai ladyboy who was operating a nail shop in Chiang Mai. She put up a sign barring Chinese, because they wanted to haggle endlessly over prices, wasted her time, and crowded out other customers.

IMO if any nationality is disruptive with a shopkeeper, said person is quite within their rights to tell them to p!ss off.

9 hours ago, johng said:

They view you as Goyim and cattle.

How do you view Jews ?

A lot worse than just "cattle" . I expect

Off topic posts about Iran war removed.

While I don't agree with this in principle, the Israelis (particularly young arrogant ones) aren't helping themselves... At a time they'd best keep a low profile they're out there drawing (bad) attention to their nationality

12 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

The words "goy" and "goyim" (plural) originally meant "nation" in Hebrew, but came to mean "non-Jew" during Roman times. The English word "gentile" is the translation of "goy." It refers to ALL non-Jews, not just white Christians.

"Goyim" has never meant "cattle" in Hebrew or Yiddish. That is merely an antisemitic myth. "Goy" is sometimes used today by U.S. Jews in a mildly perjorative fashion to refer to the worst aspects of blue collar or Middle Class culture, but never to mean "cattle."

Lol. Stating that "gentile" is the translation of "goy" is etymologically lazy. "Gentile" derives from the Latin gentilis (belonging to a clan or tribe). It serves as a functional English equivalent, heavily mediated by the Greek word ethnos in early translations. Treating language as a 1:1 mathematical equation proves you don't understand linguistics.

4 hours ago, captain_shane said:

Lol. Stating that "gentile" is the translation of "goy" is etymologically lazy. "Gentile" derives from the Latin gentilis (belonging to a clan or tribe). It serves as a functional English equivalent, heavily mediated by the Greek word ethnos in early translations. Treating language as a 1:1 mathematical equation proves you don't understand linguistics.

It wasn't necessary to go into the derivation of the word "gentile." The point is that when Jews use the word "goyim," they are not calling non-Jews "cattle." That "goyim" means "cattle" is an antisemitic myth, sometimes an outright lie.

Do you believe "goyim" can be used in Hebrew to refer to non-Jews as "cattle?"

5 hours ago, UbonEagle said:

While I don't agree with this in principle, the Israelis (particularly young arrogant ones) aren't helping themselves... At a time they'd best keep a low profile they're out there drawing (bad) attention to their nationality

What did the Israelis do , in regard to this story ?

16 minutes ago, diveasia666 said:

so that justifies your genocide... awesome.

No, it wouldn't. BUT (and it's an exceptionally big ), there is no genocide against Palestinians in the current conflict.

I refuse to cooperate in turning every thread on Israel into a discussion of genocide. This thread is centered on an incident in Phuket involving a Thai and a group of Israelis. That's the subject I am willing to discuss.

21 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

I refuse to cooperate in turning every thread on Israel into a discussion of genocide.

Every thread about Israel should discuss its despicable genocide.

1 minute ago, johng said:

Every thread about Israel should discuss its despicable genocide.

Not according to the rules of Asean Now. I could just as easily say every thread about Israel should discuss despicable Palestinian terrorism and antisemitism or the despicable genocide of the Holocaust of WWII.

Threads should stay on topic.

Edited August 26Aug 26 by Evil Penevil

On 8/25/2026 at 3:57 AM, Evil Penevil said:

Do you believe "goyim" can be used in Hebrew to refer to non-Jews as "cattle?"

@captain_shane Was that too complicated a question for you to answer? I framed it as "yes" or "no" question, so you don't have to give an explanation if that is too taxing for you.

8 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

or the despicable genocide of the Holocaust of WWII.

When you do exactly the same 80 years later you have become the monster incarnate.

34 minutes ago, johng said:

When you do exactly the same 80 years later you have become the monster incarnate.

What is happening in Gaza is nothing like what happened in Europe between 1933 and 1945. I would recommend you read one or both of the following books to get a better understanding of the Holocaust.

If you prefer to read online, I would recommend "Introduction to the Holocaust" at https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/introduction-to-the-holocaust

Several posters in this thread could benefit from clicking on that link.

1 hour ago, johng said:

When you do exactly the same 80 years later you have become the monster incarnate.

60000000 dead

70 000 dead .

Spot the difference

13 hours ago, johng said:

When you do exactly the same 80 years later you have become the monster incarnate.

It is hardly 'exactly the same' is it?

If you believe so. you need to research it more.

13 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

60000000 dead

70 000 dead .

Spot the difference

hopefully, you’re not seriously suggesting that killing 70,000 people is somehow less of a crime just because it is being compared to the Holocaust ...?

there is no difference ... killing is killing, regardless of how you compare or justify it ...

25 minutes ago, motdaeng said:

hopefully, you’re not seriously suggesting that killing 70,000 people is somehow less of a crime just because it is being compared to the Holocaust ...?

there is no difference ... killing is killing, regardless of how you compare or justify it ...

Yet the numbers killed Oct 7th have been dismissed relative to Palestinian deaths since. It is all wrong!

1 hour ago, motdaeng said:

hopefully, you’re not seriously suggesting that killing 70,000 people is somehow less of a crime just because it is being compared to the Holocaust ...?

there is no difference ... killing is killing, regardless of how you compare or justify it ...

Innocent people were targeted in the Holocaust,

Terrorists are being targeted in Gaza .

That is another big difference

58 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

Yet the numbers killed Oct 7th have been dismissed relative to Palestinian deaths since. It is all wrong!

No, they have not. The hamas terrorist attack on October 7 doesn't justify Israel's behaviour in gaza and the intensifying attacks in the west bank, Lebanon and Syria.

3 minutes ago, stevenl said:

No, they have not. The hamas terrorist attack on October 7 doesn't justify Israel's behaviour in gaza and the intensifying attacks in the west bank, Lebanon and Syria.

IMO, it does .

Israel needs to win the war against Palestine, a war which Palestine started .

On 8/26/2026 at 5:27 AM, johng said:

When you do exactly the same 80 years later you have become the monster incarnate.

On 8/26/2026 at 6:53 AM, Nick Carter icp said:

60000000 dead

70 000 dead .

Spot the difference

And you can also notice a huge difference in the number of Japanese and German civilian deaths compared to Palestinians.

Country Time Span Civilian Deaths

Japan 1941-1945 500,000 to 1,000,000

Germany 1939-1945 1,500,000 to 3,000,000

Palestine

(Gaza, West Bank) 2023-2025 34,500

.

Standard disclaimer: the 70,000 figure given by includes members of Hamas' military wing and other armed groups as well as noncombatants, i.e. civilians. If we use 20,000 as a conservative figure for the number of armed combatants killed, we have 50,000 left.

However, that figure has to be adjusted for the number of Palestinians who died without any armed conflict. That is mostly old age, but diseases and medical conditions (cancer, heart attacks) as well as vehicular accidents, drowning, home accidents, etc.

Taking the pre-conflict figure for 2022 as the benchmark and adjusting for the 220 Palestinians killed by the IDF that year, we get 15,500 deaths from natural causes and non-conflict accidents. That means 34,500 Palestian civilians were killed by the IDF following the Oct. 7 attacks.

https://countryeconomy.com/demography/mortality/palestine

In terms of civilian losses, neither the conflict in Gaza nor the Allied military actions against Japan and Germany in WW2 were genocide or war crimes,

Edited August 27Aug 27 by Evil Penevil

Goyim is like farang.

Sometimes a slur

Sometimes not

Depending on context

On 8/23/2026 at 10:27 PM, WDSmart said:

I also have a very negative view of those Israelis who are Zionists and want to expel all Palestinians from what they believe is "their land." But I don't believe in discrimination based on race or national origin, so I am against barring people from any country from any business open to the public.

The only exception to this is MAGA Trump supporters.

So glad you admit to being a total hypocrite.

Smh.

On 8/24/2026 at 11:08 AM, Lacessit said:

I used to know a Thai ladyboy who was operating a nail shop in Chiang Mai. She put up a sign barring Chinese, because they wanted to haggle endlessly over prices, wasted her time, and crowded out other customers.

IMO if any nationality is disruptive with a shopkeeper, said person is quite within their rights to tell them to p!ss off.

You extend that to a foreigner shop in thailand with that same attitude towards thai .....right.

On 8/25/2026 at 6:49 PM, Evil Penevil said:

This thread is centered on an incident in Phuket involving a Thai and a group of Israelis. That's the subject I am willing to discuss.

In terms of civilian losses, neither the conflict in Gaza nor the Allied military actions against Japan and Germany in WW2 were genocide or war crimes,

A landmark report by the UN Independent International Commission of Inquiry explicitly concluded that Israel has committed genocidal acts. Their arguments center on two main pillars required by international law: actions and intent.

The Physical Acts: Critics point out that the war has resulted in massive civilian casualties, with the Gaza Ministry of Health reporting more than 60,000–70,000 deaths, alongside the displacement of roughly 1.9 million people. They argue that Israel has committed four out of five prohibited acts under the Genocide Convention:

Killing members of the protected group.

Causing serious bodily or mental harm.

Deliberately inflicting conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction (e.g., blockading aid, destroying healthcare networks, and inducing widespread famine).

Imposing measures intended to prevent births (e.g., targeting maternity care).

Establishing Intent (Mens Rea): Genocide scholars and UN investigators argue that "genocidal intent" can be inferred from both the systematic pattern of total destruction in Gaza and the public rhetoric used by senior Israeli leaders, including Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and President Isaac Herzog, which critics describe as dehumanizing language that incites violence. A June 2026 UN commission report further alleged that the military's systematic operational focus has directly targeted children to destroy the demographic future of Palestinians in Gaza.

As we know the ICJ will rule on this question, whether Israel committed genocide or not. Israel's strategy is to drag out the ruling as long as possible, delay tactics mean we won't have a ruling now until 2029. However, there can be no doubt that what Israel is doing in Gaza is genocide.

Indeed what was done by the Allies with Germans after 1945 also amounts to genocide.

On 8/23/2026 at 2:34 AM, Woke to Sounds said:

Israelis taking it from all corners these days.

I guess it's fashionable to hate on Jews again?

let me enlighten you, there is a difference between a religion and a nationality.

8 minutes ago, it is what it is said:

let me enlighten you, there is a difference between a religion and a nationality.

Jewish is not only a religion.

Jews are a people.

This is nothing new.

As long ago as the early 1980s Israelis were banned from the biggest mountain trekking outfitters in Chiang Mai after the owners got so many complaints from their hilltribe guides about misbehaviour.

No possibility of "antisemitism" because at that time the hilltribes were blissfully ignorant of geopolitics.

20 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Jewish is not only a religion.

Jews are a people.

Ethno-religion is the term.