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16 years overstay...and its not me, for real.

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16 hours ago, KhunLA said:

I would get PP renewed, if not current, show up at airport with 20k & lawyer, while turning yourself into IMM there.

Or, ask lawyer to ask at your local Imm office, if can turn self in there, with 20k, maybe give you the standard 7 day to leave stamp (of so I read in some cases) with your 10 yr ban. Imm office dependent, obviously.

I thought about a lawyer right out of the gate.

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  • He should not have an issue just leaving with 20k fine + ban However can't imagine he has a valid passport nor the 20k nor money for flight. Most likely require flight to pp country. Frankly find thes

  • What do you envisage the lawyer's role to be other than waving goodbye at the departure gate and collecting a fee? There's no legal dispute to be argued, penalties are ensconced in law, and if it is

  • Absolutely worst option. At the airport, they let you pay the fine and leave because you are leaving at that moment. They can resolve everything. If you go to an immigration office, you're still on

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1 hour ago, Ricohoc said:

I thought about a lawyer right out of the gate.

You thought wrong

I'm guessing your friend is not on the up and up. I'd walk away from this relationship. But I realize it's hard to walk away from your past. 😃

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17 hours ago, Sergo said:

That is what he will do... but his fear is something else.

Let us know how he/you goes, post on this thread

19 hours ago, KhunLA said:

lawyer

Yes, legal help may be necessary.

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21 hours ago, KhunLA said:

I would get PP renewed, if not current, show up at airport with 20k & lawyer, while turning yourself into IMM there.

Or, ask lawyer to ask at your local Imm office, if can turn self in there, with 20k, maybe give you the standard 7 day to leave stamp (of so I read in some cases) with your 10 yr ban. Imm office dependent, obviously.

What do you envisage the lawyer's role to be other than waving goodbye at the departure gate and collecting a fee?

There's no legal dispute to be argued, penalties are ensconced in law, and if it is decided to detain him in custody a lawyer has no power to prevent it.

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5 minutes ago, Old Croc said:

What do you envisage the lawyer's role to be other than waving goodbye at the departure gate and collecting a fee?

There's no legal dispute to be argued, penalties are ensconced in law, and if it is decided to detain him in custody a lawyer has no power to prevent it.

Classic situation, if I have to explain it, you wouldn't understand it.

Since I'm not a fan of using lawyers or agents for anything in TH, for me to even suggest one, then I obviously think it would be advantageous. Especially if representing you in a local Imm office instead at airport.

In the present environment the length of overstay is going to be an issue given the fact he had the forethought to renew his passport but not the legal right to stay .

Airport ,fine and some Good luck

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14 minutes ago, Old Croc said:

What do you envisage the lawyer's role to be other than waving goodbye at the departure gate and collecting a fee?

There's no legal dispute to be argued, penalties are ensconced in law, and if it is decided to detain him in custody a lawyer has no power to prevent it.

This is correct. A lawyer would be a complete waste of money. As others have correctly said, he needs to buy a ticket out, go to the airport without doing anything stupid beforehand, go to departure immigration with 20k cash and hope for the best.

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8 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Classic situation, if I have to explain it, you wouldn't understand it.

Since I'm not a fan of using lawyers or agents for anything in TH, for me to even suggest one, then I obviously think it would be advantageous. Especially if representing you in a local Imm office instead at airport.

Having a lawyer often stops the police or perhaps IO going off piste, for a few thousand, maybe worth having, I'll ask my lawyer friend next time i see her

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4 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Classic situation, if I have to explain it, you wouldn't understand it.

Since I'm not a fan of using lawyers or agents for anything in TH, for me to even suggest one, then I obviously think it would be advantageous. Especially if representing you in a local Imm office instead at airport.

I was referring to your statement about taking a lawyer to the airport.

Your further suggestion to go to an IO with a lawyerin the hope of getting an outcome that doesn't involve custody is obviously about corruption and bribery. I don't think it very clever to suggest that for a 16 year overstayer.

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12 hours ago, Explorator en Action said:

I know its not any of our business, but I am wondering why he wants to return after 16 years in Country. You have had some good (and bad) advice here - I lean on going to the Airport with a lawyer and turn yourself in to Immigration, I think its on the 2d floor departure terminal(?)

I knew an Oil Tanker crewman that got off his ship in 1972, he departed in 1996, paid the fine was blacklisted three years, came back with new passport and is still living happily in Pattaya. When Judge asked him "How did you get here, and where is your passport?" I landed on a ship, with only a Seamans Z Card, no passport" Judge shook his head and just said "Unbelievable" In those days I suppose it was easy to hide in plain site.

Crew on commercial shipping who desert these days will generally be known to Immigration/Customs as soon as the ship sails. All crew are listed on Articles and the Captain and Ships Agents are required to update the documentation to accurately reflect numbers and any crew arrivals and departures. This will form part of the paperwork submitted to authorities before the ship sails.

I have no idea what the procedures were in Thailand in 1972 but all merchant seamen now hold Seaman's Books listing qualifications, service, etc. They are not passports but can be used for travel for the purpose of signing on or off a ship. Any judge should know of them.

The US carrier currently at Pattaya will no doubt have many sailors missing when it sails (back to a war zone?). Their Shore Patrol will round up most very quickly.

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A lawyer would not get to immigration at departure gates unless he held a boarding pass for a flight out of the country.

49 minutes ago, Colki said:

A lawyer would not get to immigration at departure gates unless he held a boarding pass for a flight out of the country.

The lawyer would go with the overstayer to the immigration office on Level 2 if he went anywhere, but as has been pointed out, it's a bad idea anyway.

On 9/2/2026 at 9:18 AM, MIke B Bad said:

Yes....... if, as I say, he is just caught by chance, there is a much greater certainty he could end in prison.

I wonder if going to an IO and fessing up might be a better route? Take his air ticket, show he is leaving, throw himself at their mercy???? They might issue a letter for the airport to let him leave with no further hassle??....Obvs he still be fined and receive a ban.....but it takes a lot of stress out of the situation.

Some wishful thinking?

23 hours ago, Sergo said:

I don't know exactly when he renewed it, but it has undoubtedly been more than three years.

Have him take old passport with him

5 minutes ago, kingstonkid said:

Have him take old passport with him

Indeed. He will need show entry stamp.

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Boy you sure got some sh*tty answers.

Have them buy a ticket back to their country, take both the old and new passport along with 20k baht, go to the airport, stamp out, pay the overstay, take the 10 year ban and leave..

You don't need a lawyer, you don't go to an immigration office, you go to the airport to "turn yourself in" as you stamp out of the country..

Edited: because I was using "speak-n-spell and it mistyped a bunch of words.

Edited by Tod Daniels

16 minutes ago, Tod Daniels said:

Boy you sure got some sh*tty answers.

Have them buy a ticket beck you their country, take both the old and new passport along with 20(baht, go to the airport, stamp out, post the overstay, take the 10 year ban and leave..

You don't need a lawyer, you don't go to an immigration office, you go to the airport to "turn yourself in" as you stamp out of the country..

Finally. Good advise. I went thru this many years ago with a lost soul. He didn't even have a current passport. The embassy issued a temp, I bought the ticket, he left. No fine and he was back a month later.

30 minutes ago, lou norman said:

No fine and he was back a month later

If you are in overstay you will be given a fine.

In case of OP friend that will be 20k + 10 year ban

4 hours ago, Old Croc said:

Crew on commercial shipping who desert these days will generally be known to Immigration/Customs as soon as the ship sails. All crew are listed on Articles and the Captain and Ships Agents are required to update the documentation to accurately reflect numbers and any crew arrivals and departures. This will form part of the paperwork submitted to authorities before the ship sails.

I have no idea what the procedures were in Thailand in 1972 but all merchant seamen now hold Seaman's Books listing qualifications, service, etc. They are not passports but can be used for travel for the purpose of signing on or off a ship. Any judge should know of them.

The US carrier currently at Pattaya will no doubt have many sailors missing when it sails (back to a war zone?). Their Shore Patrol will round up most very quickly.

On that note It'd be interesting to know how many of the US's finest went AWOL after their Patts visit...

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10 minutes ago, zyphodb said:

On that note It'd be interesting to know how many of the US's finest went AWOL after their Patts visit...

As someone with experience on that subject I can say even in normal times, after an R & R visit, many naval personnel miss the sailing time. Most are found hungover in their new love's bedroom.

13 minutes ago, Old Croc said:

As someone with experience on that subject I can say even in normal times, after an R & R visit, many naval personnel miss the sailing time. Most are found hungover in their new love's bedroom.

Or the local Hospitals or police cells!

If you pay the 20,000 THB fine for overstaying your visa at the airport, you will be blacklisted and deported after spending a few days in the airport detention facility. However, if you are apprehended by the police or immigration authorities beforehand, the same 20,000 THB fine applies, but you will first be placed in pre-trial detention; depending on your financial resources and the skill of your lawyer, this could potentially lead to a prison sentence of several years!

4 minutes ago, 241195_1469957797 said:

. . . . .deported after spending a few days in the airport detention facility.

Not if you have a flight home booked for a few hours after you arrive at the airport.

7 hours ago, josephbloggs said:

This is correct. A lawyer would be a complete waste of money. As others have correctly said, he needs to buy a ticket out, go to the airport without doing anything stupid beforehand, go to departure immigration with 20k cash and hope for the best.

Well I'm definitely not a visa expert by far. However the rules are clear: 20k and ban when exiting at the airport. It's certainly what I would do.

I think an IO Duty Officer might see a lawyer as a challenge and it could potentially invoke all kinds of face issues. I'd definitely go it alone after briefing people outside in case things do go wrong. Lawyer might be more use then.

I have never been stopped on the way to the airport or anywhere else for that matter.

I have yet to see a cop on the Airport Rail Link which runs from the heart of Bangkok Phaya Thai right into the airport bowels. Up the stairs, check in, off to Immi with 20k in his pocket, with a permanent smile painted on his face and his hands stuck together in a permanent wai.

The IO'll probably laugh and call his mates over to have a look - they'll all take selfies with him pointing at his PP.

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7 minutes ago, treetops said:

Not if you have a flight home booked for a few hours after you arrive at the airport.

That is very optimistic, after my 20 years in Thailand. I know of three cases where the booked tickets didn't work out because the police wanted to look into the matter a bit more closely.

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22 minutes ago, 241195_1469957797 said:

If you pay the 20,000 THB fine for overstaying your visa at the airport, you will be blacklisted and deported after spending a few days in the airport detention facility. However, if you are apprehended by the police or immigration authorities beforehand, the same 20,000 THB fine applies, but you will first be placed in pre-trial detention; depending on your financial resources and the skill of your lawyer, this could potentially lead to a prison sentence of several years!

No.

Nonsense post

8 hours ago, Tod Daniels said:

Boy you sure got some sh*tty answers.

Have them buy a ticket beck you their country, take both the old and new passport along with 20(baht, go to the airport, stamp out, post the overstay, take the 10 year ban and leave..

You don't need a lawyer, you don't go to an immigration office, you go to the airport to "turn yourself in" as you stamp out of the country..

It is possible the airline check in desk will deny issuing a boarding pass so he would not be able to get through to Immigration unless he spins the line that he Lost his PP and only has the new one - even then he would be expected to have at least some documentation from Immigration to confirm this situation… he is probably in a ‘world of brown stuff’ unless he seeks expert legal advise before deciding his plan of action.

On 9/2/2026 at 12:42 PM, Sergo said:

I don't know exactly when he renewed it, but it has undoubtedly been more than three years.

How can you renew a passport with no valid visa in it?

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