Family Vehicle

[Sanpatong]

> Unfortunately, most of these safety features (for small cars) are optional extras or simply not available here.

I was recently in the USA where I drove a Honda Fit, which is the US name for what is the Jazz here in Thailand.

Not only did it have dual airbags in front, it ALSO had side impact 'curtain' airbags!! (And cruise control. )

I don't think any mass market brand is making cars for the Thai market as safe as they could (and do, in those parts of the world where a life is worth something.)

[wilko]

THere's alot of people on this post just don't get it!

[Skyline]

How about a 1998-2002 Honda Accord?

Can be had for between 300-550k.Nice reliable car with all the trimmings.

[Maigo6]

THere's alot of people on this post just don't get it!

It must be so frustrating for you, knowing you are right and all others are wrong, you have my sympathy.

I would still rather be in my Fortuner than the Jazz if he rear ended me.

And in the Fortuner if I rear ended the Jazz.

How about you ?

[Lickey]

It's OK doing Crash Tests into immovable solid Blocks of concrete as in a crash test, but how many solid lumps of concrete do you see driving on the road?

Well Maigo6, when im out on my 1200 Yamaha or the DB7, all pick-ups are lumps of concrete!!!

[technocracy]

THere's alot of people on this post just don't get it!

It must be so frustrating for you, knowing you are right and all others are wrong, you have my sympathy.

I would still rather be in my Fortuner than the Jazz if he rear ended me.

And in the Fortuner if I rear ended the Jazz.

How about you ?

I am pretty sure Maigo6 'gets' it . . . as yourself I'm not quite sure you do!

Maigo is talking about new Fortuners - which have been design with a 4 star Encap safety rating as there goal. When you plough a 4 star 2 tonne SUV into a 4 star rated small hatch guess which one comes out best? Ncap test are done by testing same size cars against each other not bigger varieties in smaller ones!

As for that 5th Gear video - what a load of crap - of course a new smaller car with energy absorbtion designs will be far better than a car with just relied on the amount of steel for safety! If the Volvo 940 ploughed into a similarly designed but small car the Volvo would come out the best. Why didn't they use a slightly new early Audi A4 which were some of the first with crumple zones and energy absorbtion . .. . well because it wouldn't be as news worth would it!

Maybe you don't know but Mitsu aimed the triton to be the 1st ever 1 tonne 4 star rated pickup - but then again they aren't safe are they.

Either way if your comparing apples with apples - I'll take a large 4 star Ncap rated car over any small Ncap rated car any day of my life!

[mikethevigoman]

I think I'll have to change my Mazda Astina soon for some kind of bigger, more spacious family vehicle - two daughters and a big dog.

I'm not a window cleaner so no pick-ups. I live in a city, so no need for jeeps or 4x4s.

What's a good one around 500,000 baht. Second hand.

I know of a 95 volvo 850 estate, 1 owner 58.000 kms genuine, the car is auto,gold,immaculate, they want 350.000,. Edited September 23, 2007 by mikethevigoman

[Maigo6]

I'd even consider the poxy 318i over a 3.0 Camry. BMW Vs Fortuner is a no contest.

Unfortunately this is Thailand and BMs here are cost prohibitive.

As you say ET, BMW's are way too expensive in Thailand.

Would I recommend the 8,600,000 BMW X5, No, it's too expensive, good car but way overpriced in Thailand.

I would recommend the Top of the range Fortuner at 1,259,000, the BMW is 7,340,000 Baht more than the Toyota, thats a lot of money, well it is for me anyway.

If the BMW was the same price as the Fortuner.... I doubt many Fortuners would be sold!

[mikethevigoman]

4. Occupants of passenger cars accounted for 64% of the fatalities in accidents involving 4-wheel-drives. The fatality rate for 4-wheel-drives was only 18%.[/i]

I've been driving 4wd's for over 20 years in countries where the local drivers make Thai drivers look like little angels in comparison. The preferred expat car is a 4wd purely for the safety they provide in accidents. During that time i've had 3 cars rear end me. My 4wd recieved minimal damage (slight dents to the rear door and bumper damage). The same can't be said for the other cars which all had to be towed away.

Such ignorance according to Wilko leads to unnecessary deaths.

Friend on mine had a Toyota Sport Rider, he was crashed into by a Diahatsu Mira, my friend and his passengers were unharmed, unfortunately the guy and his passenger in The Mira never survived, it was a rear end collision, the Mira crashed into The Sport Rider.

I can't help but feel that if the now deceased had been in a Sport Rider crashing into a Diahatsu Mira, they may still be alive.

I'm probably wrong though, cos Wilko says so.

had a 3 series bmw hit the front of my sportrider in the front ,31000b to fix the sportrider minimal damage ,2 hours 2 scrape the bmw off the road and put it in a skip ,give me a sportrider /fortuner that i now drive any day thanks .

Conversely, I had a Toyota Land Cruiser rear end my BMW E36 M3 at low speed. His whole front bumper was mashed while there wasn't a scratch on my car.

I'd take a BMW over a Toyota pretty much every time regardless of model. Infinitely superior vehicles. I'd even consider the poxy 318i over a 3.0 Camry. BMW Vs Fortuner is a no contest.

Unfortunately this is Thailand and BMs here are cost prohibitive.

As we are in thailand we do have to consider maintence etc, but the fact remains toyota are a more reliable /less to maintan choice,.id consider something to suit thailand and its roads,in that sense you are right bmw dosent compare ,the price of a fortuner versus an x5 is colossal,again horses for courses, an auto fortuner in my mind fits his bill,.

[wilko]

THere's alot of people on this post just don't get it!

It must be so frustrating for you, knowing you are right and all others are wrong, you have my sympathy.

I would still rather be in my Fortuner than the Jazz if he rear ended me.

And in the Fortuner if I rear ended the Jazz.

How about you ?

you need to take a lesson in phtsics followed by a little research into collisions....and I'm not going to help you out on this one.

[Plus]

We haven't seen "pickups are not safe" threads from Wilko in a long while. How did he manage to hijack this thread?

To the OP, Zafira is a good choice. The only problem is that they are being discontinued and over the years parts might become difficult to come by, but there are plenty of them around.

The price should be somewhere in the 500k range.

Why not consider Wish? I suspect it costs a lot more than 500k, but it's got a lot more space and, as a current generation vehicle, makes more sense in the long run.

[Who, me ?]

I've got a 2001 Kia Carnival. Two kids + nanny + wife + me. Loads of room and much more comfortable than the Fortuner. Middle row seats turn around for long journeys so that they can all chat while I do the driving. For a family car it's the best I've driven. I know that it's not a sexy thing - actually looks querky, but it's really comfortable.

Got a Kia Carnival 2001 too......bought it second hand ..... so far, very happy with it !

[jrbkk64]

I know of a 95 volvo 850 estate, 1 owner 58.000 kms genuine, the car is auto,gold,immaculate, they want 350.000,.

Hi Mike,

Where is this Volvo? In BKK? I would be interested to have a look at this car.

Thanks JR

[Maigo6]

We haven't seen "pickups are not safe" threads from Wilko in a long while. How did he manage to hijack this thread?

Do I recall Wilko saying he had a Pick Up?

Wilko, watch out for those Dhiatsu Mira tankbusters, you'll be in real trouble if you're rear ended by one of those beasts!

[Plus]

You are right, I remembered something like that, too. Here it is:

"I want over the Xmas hols to drive my pickup to Siem Reap"

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?sh...mp;#entry879892

[wilko]

Yes you did and I'm alone apparently in knowing what damage I can do to myself and others - as I said earlier it is ignorance of this that leads to death and injury.

Look into passive and active safety in motor vehicles and just because you are heavier don't think you are safer - this type of ignoramus probably doesn't even bother with seat belts

[Maigo6]

Yes you did and I'm alone apparently in knowing what damage I can do to myself and others - as I said earlier it is ignorance of this that leads to death and injury.

Look into passive and active safety in motor vehicles and just because you are heavier don't think you are safer - this type of ignoramus probably doesn't even bother with seat belts

I just read that thread about your trip to Cambodia, seems you were squabbling with many posters there also.

Do you refer to moi as an ignoramous that probably doesn't even bother with seat belts?

I have been driving without incident in Thailand for 17 years, all over Thailand, and I always wear a seat belt.

I will ask again, you failed to reply before................

In the case of a Honda Jazz rear ending a Toyota Fortuner at speed, what Motor would you rather be in?

Maybe you are just another bitter Pick Up driver who can't afford a Fotuner!!