What Do I Do

[macb]

Well in defense of my pal Thad :

I wonder if you have ever met Thaddeus I have and a great guy,if anything I had a moment of concern for him because he looked very tired. Stress sometimes goes un-noticed :

I hope you okay Thaddeus:

[macb]

If I have said this already my apologies:

My mate Andy Lee saw the wife and daughter and Ron's party yesterday and the daughter looked well and was interested in the goings on thanks Andy:

The wife rang yesterday twice but I closed the connection:

This morning I had a text message as you follows 'We miss you daddy' Emotional text or something I did not respond because I know my daughter okay:

I will not speak for a while till it sinks in. I know she has money also called l didnt answer. and of course she knows my pension in bank today and she would normally get her allowance

Edited November 30, 2007 by macb

[thedi]

"Daddy, you're a good man, you only do good things for me and I only hurt you, I not like me now" (she started calling me Daddy to get our daughter into the habit and it just stuck)

Please don't tell me you are falling for this nonsense!!!

P.S. Wife calls you Daddy.. hmmm... you're comfortable with this?

It just shows that she want to talk it over.

Thedi

PS: I call my wife mae since 13 years - she calls me anything from Thedi, Papi (Swiss for Daddy) pho i su or farang - the last is a term I use for myself a lot too. It does not matter which word you use, but what you mean with it.

[soundman]

Thaddy & Mac

Although I have had conversations with you both privately, this is just a another keep your chin's up guys. You are both top fellas & I am sure what ever decisions you make will be sensible & the right ones in the long run.

Both welcome to call for any reason at any time.

Cheers,

Soundman.

[rixalex]

"Daddy, you're a good man, you only do good things for me and I only hurt you, I not like me now" (she started calling me Daddy to get our daughter into the habit and it just stuck)

Please don't tell me you are falling for this nonsense!!!

P.S. Wife calls you Daddy.. hmmm... you're comfortable with this?

Well, it's better than being called fukwit isn't it?

P.S. that is what the rest of your post is inferring ..... and no, I am not falling for it. It was an illustration of how moods and attitudes can change in a trial separation. Please read the lines and not between them, far too many people have already done that in this thread thank you.

Never ceases to surprise me people who post personal information about themselves on a public forum, but then get their knickers in a twist when people comment on it.

I wasn't reading between the lines; just dealing with the limited information you gave us, which is as follows:

My wife started going off the rails a few month ago, we were hardly talking at all, and when we were, none of it was good..... she is currently staying with friends in Bangkok who are trying to wean her off her casino addiction (there you go, I said it) we have spoken on the phone every day for the last four days and she is starting to sound like the girl I married all those years ago again. The last thing she said yesterday was "Daddy, you're a good man, you only do good things for me and I only hurt you, I not like me now" (she started calling me Daddy to get our daughter into the habit and it just stuck)

So your wife is in a bit of a mess and you are currently separated.

Now this is only me, but in a situation like this i would be cutting my losses. No matter how much i might love someone, life is too short. Not to say that love's not worth fighting for, but if we are talking about the sort of betrayal and strife that is usually associated with a gambling addiction, it's gone too far for me.

Even if you are the type more inclined to stick by your woman through goods times and very bad, odds are you are just delaying the inevitable. When relationships have got that bad, it's not unheard of for people to piece things back together, but invariably the same old issue will come back to haunt them, and by that time they've already wasted a further number of months or years on a dead horse.

You said that you have spoken on the phone with her everyday recently, that she is sounding like the old woman you loved - seems like you are pretty keen and ready to jump back in the saddle.

And you say that she now says how much she loves you, how much she is sorry and what a good guy you are - she also refered to you as Daddy. The tone of your email suggested to me that you were moved by this - if i'm wrong on this i apologise. If i'm right i wouldn't call you a fukwit, but i would say she's playing you like a fiddle and that you were a fool to be getting sucked into such an obvious and childish game of emotional manipulation. In her current situation, what would you expect her to say?

[sbk]

Although not necessarily MacB's problem, addiction in a relationship is only liveable if the addict is willing to and does make major changes in their life to treat their addiction. It is possible to salvage a marriage in this case but the addict has to want to make the changes. Anything else and you are wasting your time.

glad to hear your baby is doing well, mac.

[Thaddeus]

"Daddy, you're a good man, you only do good things for me and I only hurt you, I not like me now" (she started calling me Daddy to get our daughter into the habit and it just stuck)

Please don't tell me you are falling for this nonsense!!!

P.S. Wife calls you Daddy.. hmmm... you're comfortable with this?

Well, it's better than being called fukwit isn't it?

P.S. that is what the rest of your post is inferring ..... and no, I am not falling for it. It was an illustration of how moods and attitudes can change in a trial separation. Please read the lines and not between them, far too many people have already done that in this thread thank you.

Never ceases to surprise me people who post personal information about themselves on a public forum, but then get their knickers in a twist when people comment on it.

I wasn't reading between the lines; just dealing with the limited information you gave us, which is as follows:

My wife started going off the rails a few month ago, we were hardly talking at all, and when we were, none of it was good..... she is currently staying with friends in Bangkok who are trying to wean her off her casino addiction (there you go, I said it) we have spoken on the phone every day for the last four days and she is starting to sound like the girl I married all those years ago again. The last thing she said yesterday was "Daddy, you're a good man, you only do good things for me and I only hurt you, I not like me now" (she started calling me Daddy to get our daughter into the habit and it just stuck)

So your wife is in a bit of a mess and you are currently separated.

Now this is only me, but in a situation like this i would be cutting my losses. No matter how much i might love someone, life is too short. Not to say that love's not worth fighting for, but if we are talking about the sort of betrayal and strife that is usually associated with a gambling addiction, it's gone too far for me.

Even if you are the type more inclined to stick by your woman through goods times and very bad, odds are you are just delaying the inevitable. When relationships have got that bad, it's not unheard of for people to piece things back together, but invariably the same old issue will come back to haunt them, and by that time they've already wasted a further number of months or years on a dead horse.

You said that you have spoken on the phone with her everyday recently, that she is sounding like the old woman you loved - seems like you are pretty keen and ready to jump back in the saddle.

And you say that she now says how much she loves you, how much she is sorry and what a good guy you are - she also refered to you as Daddy. The tone of your email suggested to me that you were moved by this - if i'm wrong on this i apologise. If i'm right i wouldn't call you a fukwit, but i would say she's playing you like a fiddle and that you were a fool to be getting sucked into such an obvious and childish game of emotional manipulation. In her current situation, what would you expect her to say?

You sir..... are an idiot..... but keep those fingers typing, one day, just like that infinite number of monkeys you may come up with something that makes sense.

I nominate you as monkey number one...... many more will follow you.

//edit/typo/unintentional humour removed

Edited November 30, 2007 by Thaddeus

[paulsmithson]

I really find it hard to understand why anyone having such personal problems would bare their soul on the internet!

Especially as this sperson appears to have other postings on other sites in the same mode.

Are you for real with this problem Mac?

If so give the girl another chance, It seems obvious from what you have said that this was a contract and she was a bought wife. No honey then no money is the phrase that springs to mind.How can she respect you?

Maybe you have been neglecting her with so much time spent on thai visa?

I cannot belive that a 58 year old man can be so nieve!

It does seem to be true that only the good guys get fuc_ked over and the bad bastards get loved.I thank god that I am amongst the latter!

Talk to her Mac-everyone deserves a second chance, She is your wife not some one night stand!, and please take the blinkers off-how much are you to blame for this situation????

[99BigLad99]

I really find it hard to understand why anyone having such personal problems would bare their soul on the internet!

Especially as this sperson appears to have other postings on other sites in the same mode.

Are you for real with this problem Mac?

If so give the girl another chance, It seems obvious from what you have said that this was a contract and she was a bought wife. No honey then no money is the phrase that springs to mind.How can she respect you?

Maybe you have been neglecting her with so much time spent on thai visa?

I cannot belive that a 58 year old man can be so nieve!

It does seem to be true that only the good guys get fuc_ked over and the bad bastards get loved.I thank god that I am amongst the latter!

Talk to her Mac-everyone deserves a second chance, She is your wife not some one night stand!, and please take the blinkers off-how much are you to blame for this situation????

Sir you obviously dont know Mac I have known him for some 23 years and a second chance and third chance have all been given plus you ask if he is for real - you just show your ignorance of the whole situation and person.

I will add that today I have been with mac and things are looking up a bit for him in a big way he is now in demand and maybe spoilt for choice of future partners who will look after him plus a very good offer of accommodation or even land to build a house on.

Yes things are looking up but he is still thinking of his family but not the lazy bitch of a wife that has taken the piss for long enough

[paulsmithson]

ok mgc, I apologise to Mac . True i do not know him. I do know of his varied postings and find it hard to understand how anyone can bare his heart in public _ I could not.

Good luck to the guy.

IF his posts are real the for sure he deserves better"

Just do not jump ot of the frying pan into the fire! so many really good girlls are available her but I winmder how he will find them in a brothel like Pattaya!

[abdulrahman]

Sir you obviously dont know Mac I have known him for some 23 years and a second chance and third chance have all been given plus you ask if he is for real - you just show your ignorance of the whole situation and person.

I will add that today I have been with mac and things are looking up a bit for him in a big way he is now in demand and maybe spoilt for choice of future partners who will look after him plus a very good offer of accommodation or even land to build a house on.

Yes things are looking up but he is still thinking of his family but not the lazy bitch of a wife that has taken the piss for long enough

As this saga evolves,I would really hear the other bell!

No friends of Missus Macb around?

Only wondering if doing the laundry is enough for a Thai wife 30 years your jounior?

Edited November 30, 2007 by abdulrahman

[99BigLad99]

ok mgc, I apologise to Mac . True i do not know him. I do know of his varied postings and find it hard to understand how anyone can bare his heart in public _ I could not.

Good luck to the guy.

IF his posts are real the for sure he deserves better"

Just do not jump ot of the frying pan into the fire! so many really good girlls are available her but I winmder how he will find them in a brothel like Pattaya!

Cheers for that reply he is really a nice guy and I can reassure you that if I have anything to do with it now he will not be jumping in any fire even if it means him having an arranged marriage in future, I am sure that next time round will be very different for him now

ps who says he is now looking in Pattaya

[99BigLad99]

As this saga evolves,I would really hear the other bell!

No friends of Missus Macb around?

Only wondering if doing the laundry is enough for a Thai wife 30 years your jounior?

Correct it seems even her family now say she was wrong in how she treated Mac

The age comment - do you know Thai culture - you dont seem to

[Lickey]

Macb like me has been married 3 times before [search for thais and falangs your storys please} on this forum, if i had problems with my thai Mrs, i certainly wouldnt be attention seeking on a forum, so please tell us what really gets up your nose that you cant handle without going public?

[Prakanong]

Macb like me has been married 3 times before [search for thais and falangs your storys please} on this forum, if i had problems with my thai Mrs, i certainly wouldnt be attention seeking on a forum, so please tell us what really gets up your nose that you cant handle without going public?

Vive la difference!

For some people it can be cathartic to go public and the internet provides that for people who prefer that and it can be anonymous akthough MacB seems to havce a lot of good friends on this board who care deeply about him and his situation.

There are others who prefer to deal with these things quietly - I am in that group - and did not even like discussing with friends when I broke up never mind a public forum (Did talk to some strangers in bars though which looking back seems weird to me now)

I think whatever suits the individual is fine.

[swain]

I sincerely DO NOT mean to sound insensitive here but the realism is that you must take your balls out of your wifes pants and put them back in your pants. There are literally millions of good women here who will actually respect a good man. Take your daughter. If you don't you will regret it the rest of your days.Again I mean well here, but the balls BELONG in your own pants

I must say these comment are my thoughts on this situation. I have a TGF of over 2 years and she is 18 years my junior. In the beginning, I did many of the stupid-farang tricks like buying her gold, a car, giving her family $$ every month as well her "stipend", etc. But not the house. The house was purchased by my Thai Limited Co. that I control. I was very doting over her. After awhile it became apparent I was being used. The truth was, I was ALLOWING myself to be used. So I did a near-180 on her and stopped the payments to her and her family. I told her to go get a job and make a contribution or get out. I work at least 40 hours a week in a very stressful and demanding business. I came to the conclusion that I just didn't need this "boat anchor" in my life. Guess what?? She rose to the occasion and announced that I did not need to give her and her family $$. She has a humble job now, washes my clothes, cleans the house, brings me food and is at my beckon call at almost any time. And, if I want to go into BKK to see some farang friends without her, she's OK with it. I sympathize with this guy; he has a big heart and seems willing to do what it takes to make a woman happy. Problem is, many Thai women like a guy that wears the pants prominently and isn't afraid to call the shots. These Thai ladies will take all they can get if you let them. Once they understand that you can manage quite well without them, you'll find out pretty quick just where they really stand.

I was wondering when someone would say this. This is right right right on. I love my wife and was with her for three years before we got married. She has had two other men in her life and she dominated the hel_l out of them. They couldn't do enough to accommodate her every wish. She told me she never respected them and how can there be true love with out respect. I love my wife and we have a daughter now. We hire someone to clean and cook so thats not an issue. But she knows that if she left me she would not destroy me and it bugs the hel_l out her. Let me say this Mcab as a person who has been there... you really do have to take control of your own life. Now it sounds like leaving is the plan. But if you think you might want to try to stick it out and make it work. You can not be her man servant a single solitary day longer. That being said I don't take marriage lightly and if you saw the light in her eyes before, look for it again. Take the time to figure it out... while your doing this.. GET A MAID... for goodness sake the labor is cheap and abundant.

[ray23]

Are you sure about this. My understanding (after consulting several Thai and falang lawyers) is that a falang married to a Thai will NEVER succeed with a claim for half the marital land and property. I have been unable to find a single divorce court case where this has happened. Indeed, under rules brought in a couple of years ago, falang husbands have to sign away their rights to the family home when registering the acquisition at the local land office. As the estranged husband of a Thai wife I would love to be proved wrong!

OK six court cases that I have personal knowledge of :

The first a non divorce my own an action filed agianst a builder I won. it's in appeal now. I see that no different then in the sites. Will I win in the end I have no idea. But I have so far.

Another home owner filed as well lost and did not appeal built another house and has left Thailand. What was the difference case preperation, I knew what evidence was and how to present it. I tried to help him but he knew much more about building then I did and opted to do it his way. He made that choice. You have to do more here then just stand up in court and say he is a liar and thief and a no good person. Which the builder was but you have to prove that he violated the law. I will say this the lawyer choosen in this had no idea what he was doing in court. We both had the same lawyer. The difference along with being a retired cop I owned my own P.I. business for five years and did case preperation as a part of my work. I prepared the case as I would have in the states and I won. By the way this guy added to the Thai courts wonlt be fair to a farrang, it wasn't the courts fault it was his own.

There are reasons I recommend Rayrai, I have seen her work. But even with her you have to have a case and you have to help in gathering the evidence. That seems to be an apect lacking her. But keep in mind I was paid for that ins the states not something done by the attorney's. But there seesm to be very little usage of prarlegal or investigators in the sytem here. Could be because it adds to costs.

Four devoirces two lost everything, but on the other hand they did not try.

One of those was represented by a lawyer, he lost the assets, but the house was built next to the father on the fathers property in a remote village. He had decided to leave Thailand. His case was unusual in that there was a twelve year old nephew, that had been adopted legally. He wanted the adoption anulled it was. In the end he got exactly what he asked for.

If you have an agreement in this country you don't really need a lawyer, you simply file documents in the amper sign them pay a minimal fee and your done. When these things happen people don't think clearly and sometin mes the opt to walk away, rather then stand up. That has nothing to do with Thai courts and all to do with human nature.

One no lease filed he got 50% of the assets bought the wifes 50% of the house and put it in a company name.

The other had a lease agreement drawn up by an attorney, he is living in the house, not in the wifes village, not around the famuly. She owns it but he lives in it for life. She has already asked him to sell and give her 50%. He does not want that, she continued on with badgering him He cotacted Rayrai and asked for her assistance. She directed him to take the court documents to the Police they enforced the documents and the harrassment stopped.

So thus far what I have seen in nothing different then the California courts. If you choice to loose you defiently will. But I think it is huge mistake to give up without trying if it means something to you, based on rumor.

Are there times that courts here are unfair I'm sure of it but can't them same be said of America as well. In the end judges are just people and they have an appeal process for that.

Every case is different in it's own way. I can tell you that the courts have some preconcieved notions about us and sometimes it is earned. The advice to Mac to hook up with a woman before this settled could harm him to no end, especially with a child involved. The assumption is going to be that he had the woman all along and thats why the devoirce. Does that happen with us? Judges don't live in a vaccum. These things only last a few months during that time you have to do it the Thai way quietly.

I have spoken to Mac on the phone now and have about more clarity, the reason I have had very little to say. He explained the circumstances of what happened with the knife and the baby falling to me in. detail. When the threat with the knife was made she was ten meters away from the baby and Mac, made no effort to advance. The baby falling sounded like the act of a tired frustrated parent. Like it or not that happens. I still don't think it is a good situation adn he and the child need to be remove form it at least umntil things clam dowen and a better path can be choosen for him and the child. Circumstances will dictate what that is. But it seems to be on a different level then what I was seeing in his writing. I think Mac was completly truthful in what he wrote and what he said to me. I think his writing show his frustration and that is to be expected at a time such as this.

I still don't think he is thinking clearly, in that phone conversation he told me about the family, relying on them for help such as getting the baby to eat from a bottle. Not going to happen. Sure the family is being supportive and sure she is wanting to keep the family together, he still is the one with the ATM card. Now if that is acceptable to him, I wish him nothing but the best.

If it is not he is not going to change his wife or the family the only thing he can change is himself.

As far as posting on the forum there was a time it was about the only safe place I knew of to air thoughts. I couldn't trust anyone around me. Say anything to a farang or Thai in Udon might as well put it on a billboard. Won't work for me anymore to many people know me. So the same result. But we all need feed back form time to time and sometimes it' not in the best situations. and sometimes Ya! we we just need to bitch.

Sometimes we can't see for being to close to a situation and outside feed back helps. There have been many times that these forums have brought me back to reality and darned if I wasn't the one who was wrong. We all deal with the frustration in life differntly some find the answer in booze and numbing themselves. Others find release in communication to someone else in one form or another.

I try to limit that to lifelong friends in the states. They are truthful with me. they understand me the good and the bad. But what they don't understand in the Thai culure or the people, they have never been here. Sometimes you need the input from people who are familiar with that.

Mac seems to be lucky in that he does have people he can talk with close to him there. I personally don't have that in Udon. I have seen farrangs turn on other farrangs to many times here. So whatever oulet he uses he has not let the frustration build up and then exploded and hurt someone. So if this is his means of getting through this then more power to him.

[Ollie]

Sorry to intrude, but where would be, but for generalisations, eh?

I have, therefore I know.

Listen.

[macb]

The reason I went public was I have many friends on this forum some I have met others I have not:

But look at the views and replies some good and some not so good this topic will be very informational to folks who I hope will not find themselves in my position in the future : Thats why it is public :

I dealt with many scenarios over the years, you might call this another one, if it was happening in the UK I would say anything just deal as I did before: But I feel its important for those embarking on relationships or in my situation to have some thing to relate too should the wheel come off

Edited December 1, 2007 by macb

[abdulrahman]

As this saga evolves,I would really hear the other bell!

No friends of Missus Macb around?

Only wondering if doing the laundry is enough for a Thai wife 30 years your jounior?

Correct it seems even her family now say she was wrong in how she treated Mac

The age comment - do you know Thai culture - you dont seem to

It seems,again,onesided!

Can't say I'm an expert in Thai culture;have met some Thai women!

[thedi]

But look at the views and replies some good and some not so good this topic will be very informational to folks who I hope will not find themselves in my position in the future : Thats why it is public :

This is one of the most interesting threads in this forum for quite a while. It does not only tell much about Macb, but even much more about other posters.

Nearly none of us ever met Macb and Bee, hence we all answered in what we would have done in the same circumstance, but our own relationship.

In fact, thats what I did myself: I imagined what would I do if my wife would suddenly, out of the blue, tell me, that she had have enough of me and wanted to split. Then I posted this thoughts.

Reading it like this, this thread tells a lot of how people live together with their Thai relations, or what experiences they must have had in their relationships.

This thread should be included in the novel, which Macb promised us

It could even be the base for a sociological study.

Best regards and thanks to all posters, who helped to make this thread such an interesting and informative reading.

Thedi

[WaiWai]

Macb, I have not met you but look in the Isaan forum from time to time out of interest in the rural life. Like everyone else, it took me a very short time to understand that you're an extremely decent fellow.

I really have no words of wisdom - I think those closer to you are taking care of that - just wanted to offer some words of support.

Your daughter is beautiful and she always will be there for you.

One thing about times like this is that we often feel, amongst all the other feelings, a great sense of relief and freedom as we move away from a false life, and the strain and sadness that entails. Your honesty here has allowed others here to unburden themselves.

You're moving on - congratulations Harnessing that feeling can help pull you through the rough patches.

I am certain your life is going to be much, much better from now on.

Let us know how you are doing; I am sure many of us are thinking of you.

All the best. And I very much look forward to your novel.

Edited December 1, 2007 by WaiWai

[99BigLad99]

ray23

Nice post and I think you have a good grasp of the situation

Mac is thinking straight in my opinion now and is sorting things out quite well in his own way making plans for the future - the biggest problem he has now is making a decision which of the many good options he will take now that have been offered and there is no rush to make any decision yet

[macb]

Macb, I have not met you but look in the Isaan forum from time to time out of interest in the rural life. Like everyone else, it took me a very short time to understand that you're an extremely decent fellow.

I really have no words of wisdom - I think those closer to you are taking care of that - just wanted to offer some words of support.

Your daughter is beautiful and she always will be there for you.

One thing about times like this is that we often feel, amongst all the other feelings, a great sense of relief and freedom as we move away from a false life, and the strain and sadness that entails. Your honesty here has allowed others here to unburden themselves.

You're moving on - congratulations Harnessing that feeling can help pull you through the rough patches.

I am certain your life is going to be much, much better from now on.

Let us know how you are doing; I am sure many of us are thinking of you.

All the best. And I very much look forward to your novel.

That is a wonderful piece of writing and am I extremely grateful for your supportive words:

I just want a satisfactory conclusion all in my own time : I miss my daughter very much and I think I will miss her taking her first steps it is painful, but I am feeling good being away from the atmosphere that was within the house :

I will do in good time what is right for my daughter :

[moneyshot]

I really find it hard to understand why anyone having such personal problems would bare their soul on the internet!

Especially as this sperson appears to have other postings on other sites in the same mode.

Are you for real with this problem Mac?

If so give the girl another chance, It seems obvious from what you have said that this was a contract and she was a bought wife. No honey then no money is the phrase that springs to mind.How can she respect you?

Maybe you have been neglecting her with so much time spent on thai visa?

I cannot belive that a 58 year old man can be so nieve!

It does seem to be true that only the good guys get fuc_ked over and the bad bastards get loved.I thank god that I am amongst the latter!

Talk to her Mac-everyone deserves a second chance, She is your wife not some one night stand!, and please take the blinkers off-how much are you to blame for this situation????

Sir you obviously dont know Mac I have known him for some 23 years and a second chance and third chance have all been given plus you ask if he is for real - you just show your ignorance of the whole situation and person.

I will add that today I have been with mac and things are looking up a bit for him in a big way he is now in demand and maybe spoilt for choice of future partners who will look after him plus a very good offer of accommodation or even land to build a house on.

Yes things are looking up but he is still thinking of his family but not the lazy bitch of a wife that has taken the piss for long enough

<deleted>????

'Now in demand'?

'a very good offer of accommodation' OR 'even land to build a house on'

Don't get me wrong, I wish Macb all the best but do you really think he should be organising his next demise so soon?

[Lickey]

I would like to add something that happened in our village a few days ago, [we have EU 1 european man no1 and EU 2 europeanman no2}

last year at the farmers party in the the village i meet eu1, 29 year old with his gf who my mrs knows, next day they come to salon, she has perm and dye ect, me and eu1 chat, anyway, eu1 goes home eventually, and comes back in June this year, and GF family suceed in keeping us apart, i dont see him, July and we are invited to wedding, i dont go cos its a 7am start, mrs goes and this GF marries eu2,,,,,,, november comes round and eu1 comes to see me in new salon, hes been taking 4YO boy to school every day, [gf son by first marriage to thai} and collecting him, treating family to dinners,BBQ Pub beer, Whiskey, whatever they need, on his last day here, i asked him for e-mail add, with the view to mail him when home what was going on, but Mrs came from salon and told him everything!!it transpired he went back to her parents house [gf was in europe, they told him she was in hong kong looking after sisters kids} and had it out with them, they admitted guilt, eu 1 goes to BK to stay with friends there, GF came home and is on the phone to my Mrs, why you tell him i married???? he send me 6k everymonth, eu2 sends 10k every month, we loose money because of you!!

I really dont know if there is a moral for this, but for you guys in other countrys, there are many bueatiful girls here, and also with poor familys, once bitten could be once too much !!!!!

[macb]

It is obvious from some posters writings that is they are the ones with blinkers on and do not know me :

In my life I have been kicked down to many times , why because I am emotionally weak and do not like domestic conflict so most of the time I just go with the flow;

It is mentioned give her another chance this is out of the question (Why should I who became a maid ) and did so much for the family and never got any thanks remain in this situation, would you live in that situation if so i will give you a mobile number then you can cook wash clean and take on the family :

[Dave the Dude]

I would like to add something that happened in our village a few days ago, [we have EU 1 european man no1 and EU 2 europeanman no2}

last year at the farmers party in the the village i meet eu1, 29 year old with his gf who my mrs knows, next day they come to salon, she has perm and dye ect, me and eu1 chat, anyway, eu1 goes home eventually, and comes back in June this year, and GF family suceed in keeping us apart, i dont see him, July and we are invited to wedding, i dont go cos its a 7am start, mrs goes and this GF marries eu2,,,,,,, november comes round and eu1 comes to see me in new salon, hes been taking 4YO boy to school every day, [gf son by first marriage to thai} and collecting him, treating family to dinners,BBQ Pub beer, Whiskey, whatever they need, on his last day here, i asked him for e-mail add, with the view to mail him when home what was going on, but Mrs came from salon and told him everything!!it transpired he went back to her parents house [gf was in europe, they told him she was in hong kong looking after sisters kids} and had it out with them, they admitted guilt, eu 1 goes to BK to stay with friends there, GF came home and is on the phone to my Mrs, why you tell him i married???? he send me 6k everymonth, eu2 sends 10k every month, we loose money because of you!!

I really dont know if there is a moral for this, but for you guys in other countrys, there are many bueatiful girls here, and also with poor familys, once bitten could be once too much !!!!!

Hi Lickey

Very interesting tale, not sure where you are but I'v heard an identical story through my village 'jungle drums' I too met the local here whose position you call EU1 and although a nice chappie, he did seem a bit naive. I suppose its learning from mistakes/situations that hopefully make us stronger/wiser next time.

BTW Mac

Glad you are coping a lot better than I did.

Good luck mate and I will not be writing any further advise cos you dont need it IMO

You new friend David

[pumpuiman]

Keep it up Mac....let time clear the cob webs.

Have you spoken to the lawyer yet? Just wondering what he/she may have said about your options.

Hoping things work out,

Eric

[macb]

Hey Mac,

I spend a month in Manila and all hel_l breaks loose? Sorry to hear that you and Bee are on the rocks. My wife told me that she liked you and Bee when she visited a few months ago so it really pains me that you are going through this. I understand that you can't just walk away as some of the others have recommended. A little time out was wise though IMHO as I have also experienced the escalation of a Thai mother's frustration from time to time. Nothing to the extent that Bee showed, but I was not there so I can't judge as the circumstances may have seemed to match her actions. Post Natal Depression can be a factor and middle age mothers have it far more often than younger mothers and is not discussed in Thailand from what I understand. If you ever feel the need to get a little further away and need a change of scenario, we have a spare room for you and Gloria. Malisa needs a playmate anyway and it would give me a break from the "Mali needs a baby brother" rant that I hear daily from Noi.

Good luck my friend. Let me know if you need anything.

Cheers.

Mike in Seattle

Hi mike :

Well your another star, great offer thanks very much, I am missing Gloria as she is very near taking her first step. But things take time to sort out.

As the thread informs I am up in Petchabun what a different part of the world I am also being spoilt here ans feel very relaxed now away from the atmosphere :

I also need to thank you again and your wife for assisting with bottles from Seattle many thanks mate