Thailand Accepts Bali Meeting Road Map

[SamuiBond]

Now that the "test" results are out, the question isn't anymore "what if?" but the question goes: What are YOU going to do about it?

Some stuborn individuals keep banging their heads to the wall and saying this is the biggest conspiciry yet! THIS POST IS NOT MENT FOR YOU! Start your own thread...

This post is meant for individuals that accept the facts that are laid on table by the 190 nations worldwide and their work on progress: The venue of the UN Climate Change Conference 2007 in Nusa Dua on Bali island, Dec. 14th, 15th and the conclusions. Thailand is one of these nations and we live here.

Will You be doing anything differently from now on? Was this the conclusion you needed that finally changed your views? Do You believe we can individually (gradually) change one and other behaviour towards nature and living within reason (no need to go down the details what is within reason)here in Thailand?

Keep it real.

[Doza]

Of course this meeting was one big conspiracy organised by all these nations (they fight wars but conspire on climate change???) with world leading scientific institutions all in collusion to pull the wool over the world eyes that man could possibly have some effect on the climate, simply for money and tax revenues (even though the Stern report etc outlines how climate change could COST us billions) for countries and individuals and in reality its all just a scam because everyone knows, the science is all complete rubbish from evey single scientist that notes a link between greenhouse gases and warming temperatures that lead to climate change.

Obviously, since over millenia, the globe has warmed and cooled due to natural phenomena, now that mankind is pumping shed load of greenhouse gases into the air in an UNNATURAL way (GHGs are what keep us warm! does anyone deny THAT?!) there is no possibility, none whatsoever (!!) that this could alter the climate at all and we are daft to think it might! Duh!

Sorry, but couldn't resist.

Here's to nations reducing pollution of all kinds but especially GHGs (which yes, occure naturally but dont you think pumping gazillion tonnes unnaturally might be kind of risky???) and double especially in the form of deforestation and land use change which contrinbute over 20% of all man made CO2 emissions!!!

[JetsetBkk]

Now that the "test" results are out, the question isn't anymore "what if?" but the question goes: What are YOU going to do about it?

Some stuborn individuals keep banging their heads to the wall and saying this is the biggest conspiciry yet! THIS POST IS NOT MENT FOR YOU! Start your own thread...

This post is meant for individuals that accept the facts that are laid on table by the 190 nations worldwide and their work on progress: The venue of the UN Climate Change Conference 2007 in Nusa Dua on Bali island, Dec. 14th, 15th and the conclusions. Thailand is one of these nations and we live here.

Will You be doing anything differently from now on? Was this the conclusion you needed that finally changed your views? Do You believe we can individually (gradually) change one and other behaviour towards nature and living within reason (no need to go down the details what is within reason)here in Thailand?

Keep it real.

To answer your questions in order:

Nothing - I'm not going to do anything about it (that I don't do already)

No - I'll be doing nothing differently

No - the conclusion was flawed

Yes - we can change "one and other (sic) behaviour"

[canuckamuck]

Hi, I disagree with you, but I don't see it written any where that newbies make the rules.

I will answer your questions.

1. I always do lots of different things.

2. No my views changed a long time ago when I realized that big money, power, and corruption are never far apart, and saw the massive industry attached to enviromental everything.

3. Yes

Too embellish, I live about as green as possible, not because I buy the ACC hype, but because I am responsible and I don't like pollution. My carbon footprint is little (BTW carbon is plantfood). I compost. I walk where I can, I ride my motorcycle, even though I could use my car. I use a fan instead of aircon. I recycle. But you say I bang my head against the wall.

By the way this thread will be closed, this topic is too hot and does not stand up well under investigation, so the pro-ACC side will return to flaming when it starts to lose - again.

[SamuiBond]

Hi, I disagree with you, but I don't see it written any where that newbies make the rules.

I bet there isn't one: "lol, yeah, I agree, well said" newbie that could make rules. I ain't one of those. It's easy to mess up one' topic where one wants to see natural opinions, something that you truly feel or believe. Some just don't grow to that level. Sure I smile and laugh most of the time but you still don't see me focking up anyone' threads. I try to make input among people who live around here in Thailand. I feel this could be the place for that impact. So you most likely will hear more of me, my thoughts and ideas since I don't mind sharing (not a social dem. or communist or even green but a person who tries to detect and feel what is right and what is wrong)...

I will answer your questions.

1. I always do lots of different things.

2. No my views changed a long time ago when I realized that big money, power, and corruption are never far apart, and saw the massive industry attached to enviromental everything.

3. Yes

Too embellish, I live about as green as possible, not because I buy the ACC hype, but because I am responsible and I don't like pollution. My carbon footprint is little (BTW carbon is plantfood). I compost. I walk where I can, I ride my motorcycle, even though I could use my car. I use a fan instead of aircon. I recycle. But you say I bang my head against the wall.

Respect. You do your part yet you think its conspiracy alltogether...

By the way this thread will be closed, this topic is too hot and does not stand up well under investigation, so the pro-ACC side will return to flaming when it starts to lose - again.

Wrong. This is flaming hot issue but so is climate and how we will/can handle it. You don't go down the streets preaching your thoughts but you can do it in here by adult manner without anyone getting hurt.

[GuestHouse]

Will You be doing anything differently from now on?

Not in terms of trying to reduce my own and my family's 'environmental footprint' - we work pretty hard at that already.

But my guess is within the next couple of years or so there will be rafts of work coming through relating to reducing environmental impacts of the industries I work in, so I expect some changes there .. and money to be made.

Was this the conclusion you needed that finally changed your views?

No, I like many people was already aware of the issues and the need for change.

Do You believe we can individually (gradually) change one and other behaviour towards nature and living within reason (no need to go down the details what is within reason)here in Thailand?

Absolutely, but I think Thailand as a nation needs to start takling this with education AND importantly the promotion of personal responsibility beyound the individual family unit (however extended that might be).

Edited December 17, 2007 by GuestHouse

[canuckamuck]

Well I hope this thread does continue, it really is a crucial topic of the day. I will try my best to stay out of it as it seems whenever I made a strong point in the previous thread, the calls came out for closure.

Truly, I don't know why people get so hot, some of us believe carbon is causing warming, and some of us don't. Nobody can say for sure, so why can't both sides make their arguments without anyone soiling their undies. If we don't embrace freedom of ideas, then what's the point of forums? Just to make naughty jokes and complain about the natives?

Cheers

[stevemiddie]

Now that the "test" results are out, the question isn't anymore "what if?" but the question goes: What are YOU going to do about it?

Some stuborn individuals keep banging their heads to the wall and saying this is the biggest conspiciry yet! THIS POST IS NOT MENT FOR YOU! Start your own thread...

This post is meant for individuals that accept the facts that are laid on table by the 190 nations worldwide and their work on progress: The venue of the UN Climate Change Conference 2007 in Nusa Dua on Bali island, Dec. 14th, 15th and the conclusions. Thailand is one of these nations and we live here.

Will You be doing anything differently from now on? Was this the conclusion you needed that finally changed your views? Do You believe we can individually (gradually) change one and other behaviour towards nature and living within reason (no need to go down the details what is within reason)here in Thailand?

Keep it real.

I,ve had a good think about this and I have decided to go ahead and buy my new gas guzzling truck.

Keep it HOT.

[ClaytonSeymour]

Now that the "test" results are out, the question isn't anymore "what if?" but the question goes: What are YOU going to do about it?

Some stuborn individuals keep banging their heads to the wall and saying this is the biggest conspiciry yet! THIS POST IS NOT MENT FOR YOU! Start your own thread...

This post is meant for individuals that accept the facts that are laid on table by the 190 nations worldwide and their work on progress: The venue of the UN Climate Change Conference 2007 in Nusa Dua on Bali island, Dec. 14th, 15th and the conclusions. Thailand is one of these nations and we live here.

Will You be doing anything differently from now on? No! Was this the conclusion you needed that finally changed your views? No! Do You believe we can individually (gradually) change one and other behaviour towards nature and living within reason No! (no need to go down the details what is within reason)here in Thailand?

Keep it real.

I've already said before, on here & elsewhere i.e. BBC, that even if man made Global Warming is real - I'm not interested. I work hard & pay far too much tax already, so I intend to enjoy my life to the full. I'm not interested in doing anything green if it compromises my chosen lifestyle. Selfishly, I say let the future generations pay - it's my perogative not to.

[SamuiBond]

Which side will win the bet when first one of these low land islands goes under water? Naturally? Is betting capped already? I wouldn' like to be doing much businesss with Maledives since prospects are what they are only going to be doing......

[Doza]

Exactly Samui.

I've talked to farmers in Isaan who can tell you first hand they have seen the climate change and weather patterns change over the last 10 years particularly. Worse droughts, floods etc. This effects their livelihoods. They can tell you why they think the climate is changing too, without mainstream propaganda from either side.

It would be a brave man to stand in front of one of these guys and say "hey, it might be from mass deforestation and the burning of fossil fuels which accelerates the greenhouse effect as many scientists say - but I don't think so because that's all a conspiracy. I think its fine to keep pumping GHGs into atmosphere and I don't care about future generations (or you Mr Farmer) as its my life to live. So good luck with your farm Mr Farmer......."

[sbk]

Off-topic and inflammatory posts have been deleted. This thread is not the place to debate global warming as the OP has asked specifically, what will you do here in Thailand to help improve your environment. If you don't have anything to add except your own beliefs on global warming or to abuse others then please do not post. Further such posts will result in warnings and deletion.

So, to reiterate the OP's question:

Will You be doing anything differently from now on? Was this the conclusion you needed that finally changed your views? Do You believe we can individually (gradually) change one and other behaviour towards nature and living within reason (no need to go down the details what is within reason)here in Thailand?

Keep it real.

[Doza]

I do take simple measures to reduce my carbon and I think as time progresses and effects become more apparent I will take more measures. I am also happy to pay extra (to a degree) in the form of taxes or for enviro friendly items if I can be assured they lead to less GHG emissions.

This conclusion only reaffirmed my belief and my confidence in the science.

I think with huge action from industry with a top down approach and commitment to change at an individual level we can cap emissions at 450 ppm but I think alot of damage will already be done by then and we cant reverse it. At which point the real tipping point is, is anyone's guess.

Bring on being more environmentally friendly - doesn't have to lead to economic disaster, and can only be good for our world.

[SamuiBond]

Exactly Samui.

I've talked to farmers in Isaan who can tell you first hand they have seen the climate change and weather patterns change over the last 10 years particularly. Worse droughts, floods etc. This effects their livelihoods. They can tell you why they think the climate is changing too, without mainstream propaganda from either side.

It would be a brave man to stand in front of one of these guys and say "hey, it might be from mass deforestation and the burning of fossil fuels which accelerates the greenhouse effect as many scientists say - but I don't think so because that's all a conspiracy. I think its fine to keep pumping GHGs into atmosphere and I don't care about future generations (or you Mr Farmer) as its my life to live. So good luck with your farm Mr Farmer......."

Back at home when we were kids there was plenty of snow every winter. Then there wasn't... It doesn't take macig to understand mother nature is changing. I can't say I'm much of a beliver of anything but just that of common sense and I will use my means from now on (and lets say about 6-12 months before) to not make my impact for the outcome of my living as reasonably fair to my fellow citizens (except when I'm on a dance floor) as possible... Re-Carboniting my footprints by walking backwards.

[mogoso]

Exactly Samui.

I've talked to farmers in Isaan who can tell you first hand they have seen the climate change and weather patterns change over the last 10 years particularly. Worse droughts, floods etc. This effects their livelihoods. They can tell you why they think the climate is changing too, without mainstream propaganda from either side.

It would be a brave man to stand in front of one of these guys and say "hey, it might be from mass deforestation and the burning of fossil fuels which accelerates the greenhouse effect as many scientists say - but I don't think so because that's all a conspiracy. I think its fine to keep pumping GHGs into atmosphere and I don't care about future generations (or you Mr Farmer) as its my life to live. So good luck with your farm Mr Farmer......."

No one is saying that climate doesn't change, just that its a natural occurring event and not man made. Farmers throughout history have dealt with the weather. There have been times of feasts and times of famine through recorded history. Its not that farmers decided not to grow crops or forgot how to, but climate changes were the culprit. Societies have dealt with this in many ways, some with human sacrifices to appease whatever god to insure their crops would grow, or rain would come. It defies logic to assume the vargarities of weather are all of a sudden the fault of man.

[sbk]

Please try to keep your response within the parameters set by the OP. This is not a discussion on whether global warming is fact or fiction but rather what you choose to do to keep your own little corner of the world environmentally sensitive.

[mogoso]

Now that the "test" results are out, the question isn't anymore "what if?" but the question goes: What are YOU going to do about it?

Some stuborn individuals keep banging their heads to the wall and saying this is the biggest conspiciry yet! THIS POST IS NOT MENT FOR YOU! Start your own thread...

This post is meant for individuals that accept the facts that are laid on table by the 190 nations worldwide and their work on progress: The venue of the UN Climate Change Conference 2007 in Nusa Dua on Bali island, Dec. 14th, 15th and the conclusions. Thailand is one of these nations and we live here.

Will You be doing anything differently from now on? Was this the conclusion you needed that finally changed your views? Do You believe we can individually (gradually) change one and other behaviour towards nature and living within reason (no need to go down the details what is within reason)here in Thailand?

Keep it real.

First I say the facts aren't facts but hypotheses. But be that as it may I see no compelling reason for Thailand not to sign it.

One Thailand can claim their a developing nation and not have to do anything to curb emissions or pollution. That'll have to be pushed by the Thai gov't and they won't do anything to irritate the powers that be.

Second it may be profitable to accept whatever can be disbursed thru the UN tax the rich program.

Third no one will hassle the and condemn them for not signing.