Thai Passport For My Daughter

[Foggy Dew]

Sorry about topic name it should read "Thai Passport for my Daughter"

if one of the Mod's can change it please do.

Hi All,

Last year my wife (Thai) and I (Irish) had a beautiful baby girl, born in Ireland. Now my wife is going to Thailand for a holiday and we want to register the baby for Thai citizenship and get a Thai passport for her.

Has anyone done this before and can give advice about how to proceed. Do I need to be there with my wife to complete the registration?

Our daughter has a Irish passport and birth certificate.

Thanking you

Foggy Dew.

Edited January 9, 2008 by jayenram
Title ammended at OP's request

[mootaawaan]

You don't have to be there.

Your wife takes her ID card, the birth certificate and the house registration document (tabian baan) that has her name and the baby's name on it to a passport office, and applies.

Not sure if the tabian baan is really needed, but it doesn't hurt to bring.

You can also google for the Thai passport offices, contact details and phone numbers are listed, just let her call to confirm.

[prakhonchai nick]

You don't have to be there.

Your wife takes her ID card, the birth certificate and the house registration document (tabian baan) that has her name and the baby's name on it to a passport office, and applies.

Not sure if the tabian baan is really needed, but it doesn't hurt to bring.

You can also google for the Thai passport offices, contact details and phone numbers are listed, just let her call to confirm.

Think you need a Thai birth certificate first. then you can apply for a passport.

Ministry of foreign affairs is the place to go intially

[TerryLH]

With a birth certificate, showing your wife on it, you can get the passport abroad at a Thai Consulate or Embassy. I can't remember what else we needed. The consulate/embassy can also make up a Thai birth certificate for you that will be in Thai and Eng and will be useful for things in Thailand.

A routine matter for them.

[Lakdee]

Hi Foggydew,

I have done this process last year.

In order to get Thai citizenship, firstly your wife must get kid Thai birth certificate from Thai Embassy. To get this you must check with Thai embassy what papers they required. Then you can ask to make Thai passport for your kid at the embassy instantly. Best thing to do is your wife should call Thai embassy to check each details. You can check at their website too, but they harldy update information there.

In my case the embassy doesn't want to do as they have changed rules, so I must proceed to get Thai passport for my kid in THailand. It is quite long process to make passport in Thailand if kid was born abord. cause there are many papers to prepare and both parents must be at passport division to get kid passport. (http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=106387&st=25)

Hope it helps.

Lakdee

[Neeranam]

And they don't charge a ridiculous 18,000 baht like getting a UK citizenship and passport ike I had to do for each of my daughters.

[samran]

Given that your daughter was born outside of Thailand, her thai birth certificate MUST be issued by the embassy which has juristiction over Ireland. As it appears that there is no Thai embassy in Dublin, I'd suspect that it is the Thai embassy in London which will be responsible for issuing your daughters Thai birth certificate.

I'd ring the consulate in Dublin to double check of course.

http://www.thaiconsulateireland.com/index.htm

As others have mentioned, once you have the thai birth certificate it is then possible to get a Thai passport issued (in reality these can be done at the same time). You'll have to ask though if it is possible to apply for the passport in dublin though, as the new E-Passports require digital photos and finger prints to be taken, and require special equipment.

[Foggy Dew]

Hi,

Thank you all for your help and advice, I will contact the Thai embassy in london tomorrow and see what they say, and update the topic then.

Thanks again

Foggy Dew

[Joe Walshe]

Hi,

Thank you all for your help and advice, I will contact the Thai embassy in london tomorrow and see what they say, and update the topic then.

Thanks again

Foggy Dew

Hi Foggy,

Congrats on new baby. The Irish/Thai mix should be nice.

I'm Irish and living in Limerick with my Thai wife. One of my daughters was born in Thailnad and one here.

Both have irish and Thai passports.

my wife rang the Thai Embassy in the UK to arrange a Thai passport for our daughter born here.

I don't remember the details but I do remember they were very helpful and all went swifflty.

The one awkward matter was that we all went to the UK on Irish (EU) passports.

We had been told that Thai people are not allowed dual citizeship and so could not have an Irish passport and apply for a Thai one. They did however agree to overlook this matter as we could not enter the UK without a passport.

I do not know if the situation has since changed, but the impression I got was that it was best not to draw attention to the fact that you/we had Irish passports already.

I'd call them annonomously and enquire.

[paulfr]

And they don't charge a ridiculous 18,000 baht like getting a UK citizenship and passport ike I had to do for each of my daughters.

WOW

I got my daughter US citizenship with the birth certificate and my passport for free. Then getting her the US passport was the standard US charge of about 3000B.

The Thai passport for her only required the birth certificate and parent ID. We also had our daughter's name on the family property [tambien baan]but I do not think that was critical.

As for dual citizenship, I thought the child and you need not decide that until they get their Thai ID card around 18 yrs of age. Even then since the US does allow dual citizenship, you just need to not speak about it and the Thai citizenship can be obtained. I do not think there are cross checking records between the two countries that could reveal 2 passports or citizenship.

Edited January 10, 2008 by paulfr

[dkstoney]

You know in your heart that this was the wrong place to ask this question. Maybe you should visit your nearest Thai embassy or consulate and ask someone who does this at least once a week.

[samran]

As for dual citizenship, I thought the child and you need not decide that until they get their Thai ID card around 18 yrs of age. Even then since the US does allow dual citizenship, you just need to not speak about it and the Thai citizenship can be obtained. I do not think there are cross checking records between the two countries that could reveal 2 passports or citizenship.

Although the law is valguely worded and contradictory, at the end of the day, Thailand has no problems with dual nationality. What many people assume is the requirement that a child 'choses' a nationality at 18, is actually an option that a child with dual nationality to renouce their Thai citizenship between ages 20 and 21. But it is only if they want to, there is no compulsion.

If no renouciation is made, then nothing happens.

I've got dual nationality (australian/thai) and haven't had any problems using 3 differnt Thai passports over the past two decades.

[Foggy Dew]

Update:

Hi All,

DKSTONEY: Ireland does not have a Thai embassy but does fall under the wing of the UK Thai embassy.

My wife contacted her local Ampur. She was told that if she brought the baby’s Irish birth cert to Bangkok and get it translated and stamped at the embassy. Then bring the official translated cert to the Ampur and all will be sorted.

We will see....

Regards

Foggy Dew.

[Maestro]

Foggy Dew, it was not clear from your original post whether you planned to get a Thai passport for your daughter before flying to Thailand, or after arriving there. Your latest post now indicates that you intend to get it in Thailand. The passport office will issue it, not the amphur.

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Maestro

[samran]

Update:

Hi All,

DKSTONEY: Ireland does not have a Thai embassy but does fall under the wing of the UK Thai embassy.

My wife contacted her local Ampur. She was told that if she brought the baby’s Irish birth cert to Bangkok and get it translated and stamped at the embassy. Then bring the official translated cert to the Ampur and all will be sorted.

We will see....

Regards

Foggy Dew.

sorry to say, but I'm 99% sure she'll need a Thai BC before any of this happens. Thai birth certificates issued outside Thailand are different to those issued in Thailand, and can ONLY be issued by (in your case) the royal thai embassy in London.

As Maestro said, the Ampur cannot issue a Thai BC for a child born outside its boundries, nor can it issue a passport. All the Ampur does is put your daughter on the Tabieen Baan (house registration).

Having gone through this proceess myself - at age 30 - the 'book' says you need to show a Thai birth certificate (which for your daughter can only be issued overseas), the page of her passport showing her entry stamp into Thailand (preferably in a Thai PP to save confusion over dual citizenship issues with the numpties at the ampur).

Being on the tabieen baan means you get are then in "the system" in Thailand. It then allows you to apply for a passport in Thailand, given that the passport application process basically sucks the data from the central tabieen baan database and populates the passport page.

My advice is, as you are in Ireland, getting a Thai passport from the emabassy in London will be a P.I.T.A. given you have to be physically at the embassy to apply. But, you should be allowed to apply for a Thai birth certificate by post. Also ask the embassy if they will be sending a mobile passport application unit to Dublin anytime soon, as you'll be able to get the passport there.

If not, then, at least armed with a properly issued Thai BC, you can come to Thailand, the Ampur can register your daughter on the system, and then you can then subsequently apply for a passport in Thailand - which is easy and take no more than 3 days to issue.

All the best. Post here if you have any questions.