Is The Nickname 'tip" The Same As "thep'?

[Joel Barlow]

Researching some history of the north, I came upon something confusing to me.

As my wife is Musur (Lahu) and I live in a tribal area, simply asking around is not so easy, so...

I ask here!

“Tip” is a popular local nickname. Looking in a dictionary, I found the meanings to kick, or rise as a kite. The wife of ChiangMai’s last independent ruler was named Chao Thep Kraison, and called Princess Tipkesawn. Does “Tip” = “Thep”? Thep means angel (I think), much more attractive for a name than “kick”!

sorry I haven't spelled the names in Thai script - I'm currently not sure how to!

Thanks

[aanon]

Researching some history of the north, I came upon something confusing to me.

As my wife is Musur (Lahu) and I live in a tribal area, simply asking around is not so easy, so...

I ask here!

"Tip" is a popular local nickname. Looking in a dictionary, I found the meanings to kick, or rise as a kite. The wife of ChiangMai's last independent ruler was named Chao Thep Kraison, and called Princess Tipkesawn. Does "Tip" = "Thep"? Thep means angel (I think), much more attractive for a name than "kick"!

sorry I haven't spelled the names in Thai script - I'm currently not sure how to!

Thanks

i'd guess the 'tip' is more likely to be ทิพย์, meaning divine, celestial, magic (eg. ตาทิพย์: all-seeing eyes), and would agree with you on 'thep', meaning angel, god, etc. i'm trying to think of what word corresponds to 'kick, or rise as a kite', is it ถีบ? this would be an unlikely nickname, in my opinion. can you recall whether the vowel sound is long or short (ie. like the vowel in 'fit' or in 'feet')?

all the best.

ps. none of this is based on knowledge of the northern or minority dialects, just central thai.

[patri]

Researching some history of the north, I came upon something confusing to me.

As my wife is Musur (Lahu) and I live in a tribal area, simply asking around is not so easy, so...

I ask here!

“Tip” is a popular local nickname. Looking in a dictionary, I found the meanings to kick, or rise as a kite. The wife of ChiangMai’s last independent ruler was named Chao Thep Kraison, and called Princess Tipkesawn. Does “Tip” = “Thep”? Thep means angel (I think), much more attractive for a name than “kick”!

sorry I haven't spelled the names in Thai script - I'm currently not sure how to!

Thanks

Hi, you're talking about 3 different words... Teep, Tip, and Thep

Teep (long vowel) = Kick

Tip (short vowel) = Holy, or sacred... usually a nick name for women could also be a part of various fullnames

Thep (long vowel) = Angels.... more likely to be a name or a part of name for men as opposed to Thevee for women

[Joel Barlow]

"i'd guess the 'tip' is more likely to be ทิพย์, meaning divine, celestial, magic (eg. ตาทิพย์: all-seeing eyes), and would agree with you on 'thep', meaning angel, god, etc. i'm trying to think of what word corresponds to 'kick, or rise as a kite', is it ถีบ? this would be an unlikely nickname, in my opinion. can you recall whether the vowel sound is long or short (ie. like the vowel in 'fit' or in 'feet')?"

D@#m my eyes! very tiny small print in the dictionary (both glasses and magnifying glass necessary...)...

tuup, not tip, for kick - of course. How dumb of me. I feel quite pretty sure that's right...

but the CM princess, with both names... well, divine celestial does sound like an angel...

this is not about northern or minority dialects, just central thai. Or rather, I suppose, Royal Thai...