Insect In Wine Glass: So What? Or Major Incident?

[cobra]

I would have made a major scene, sorry. I would have demanded a partial refund for the bottle and I wouldn't have taken no for an answer. They want to save face, I would give them some major face with their other customers until they made good on it. They took away what you paid for without your consent. Outrageous. To hel_l with TIT. At those prices, I would have demanded TAT!

Moving to Thailand does not mean you have to turn into a grade A patsy! Stand up for your consumer rights.

As usual Jing, you being the quintessential, customer from hel.., crabby, unpleasant, we expect no less from you (per your previous numerous posts of perceived wrong-doings and slights),

It's bad enough you torment us with relentless political promotion on western politics, changing your avatar daily to fill your Obama-fix, filling your member profile quote with western political by-lines),

Get a life, this is a Thai board, not a western elections board,

Getting in the face of Thai vendors, waiters, over trivial issues is patently poor advice,

We are only as big as the smallest thing that pisses us off,

I told you before it's just a matter of time before something goes terribly wrong for you with your arrogance and negative interaction with locals.

[Jingthing]

I told you before it's just a matter of time before something goes terribly wrong for you with your arrogance and negative interaction with locals.

Funny thing, I am having no problems whatsoever lately and don't expect any in future. I just avoid places and situations where conflict is likely. Works like a charm. Kind of crummy of you to be so negative about a person you have never met.

(BTW, I think I will keep NavajObama for awhile, he's a keeper, don't you think?)

[LivinLOS]

I would have made a major scene, sorry. I would have demanded a partial refund for the bottle and I wouldn't have taken no for an answer. They want to save face, I would give them some major face with their other customers until they made good on it. They took away what you paid for without your consent. Outrageous. To hel_l with TIT. At those prices, I would have demanded TAT!

Moving to Thailand does not mean you have to turn into a grade A patsy! Stand up for your consumer rights.

They were in the wrong - they were trying to make good (face) - you lost the argument when you left the building.

Next time demand the hotel's duty manager loudly - not the department supervisor.

The lesser evil is to give you free champgne than cope with a dramic scene that upsets everyone.

I think both of you are wrong and in the wrong country for that kind of attitude. It may work in US or UK but not in Thailand, loosing face is a reason for a bloody beating here, you never know who might be waiting outside when you leave I have seen it many times, hit in run by them regains the face.

I think the suggestion of putting hand over glass and refusing to let go or not even mentioning it and fish the drunken insect out would have been a better idea.

My wife, Thai who doesn't eat insects fried or otherwise found a well done beetle in her half eaten bowl of soup, removed it and just set it on the side and continued eating, I insisted on pointing it out to the waitress who removed the beetle but left the soup which my wife promptly finished. TIT

You are right bob.

I can't believe these superior types are coming here and expecting it to be like the west.

Consumer rights. Please let us know when you are gonna exert them and we can come along and piss ourselves laughing!

Horse shit.. All too often Thai 'face' is used when simply its fuc_k over the (farang) customer.. Charge top dollar for bottom dollar service !! And all too often super sensitive farangs just accept it, You think wealthy Thais get told what to do by serving staff ??

Its well known customer service here bites the big one.. So what are you going to do ?? Roll over and take the shaft ?? How about giving them a reach around after ?? Well you can choose your road, I choose mine.

When confronted with idiotic Thai service, a lack of service or any other thing (mai mee wallanty.. import) that I am paying for I make it happen. You dont need to start yelling and shouting, but faced with firm clear resolve and once they realize your not backing off they nearly always roll over, the lesser evil is to make you happy, over losing more face in the confrontation. 9 from 10 times I end up getting things the way I want, if they lose face in the issue they will learn for next time how it should have been done if they want the price tag attached. My first Thai wife was exactly the same also, she knew how to use face to fight back, like when someone says they 'cannot' it would be "why can you not ?? you mean you cant do your job ?? so your not very good at your job ?? etc" forcing them to lose face if they want to fight it.

I am not advocating being a loud borish farang bellowing red faced at the staff, that makes you thier fool.. But dont accept shoddy service or your as guilty of perpetuating the system as the person who did it.

[Jingthing]

LivinLos, you are my hero. I don't haunt many upscale places so I don't have alot of these problems, but I share your attitude. An awful lot of time the deer in the headlights face thing is just a way to trick us, as most of us are suckers and back off. I have also noticed that smarter, clever Thais (and cleverness is highly valued in Thai culture) have very Thai ways of pushing back when they are shafted. Of course, the mad New Yorker method always backfires here. But the principle is the same, don't be a patsy!

[Jingjok]

oh so you had an insect in your very expensive drink ! you are staying in thailand remember ! do you expect all staff in thailand to be a cordon bleu or master chef or a somelier ! my god so much stuck up farangs on this forum why didnt you go live in the south of france for gods sake ! dont you people have anything else beside complain about this country ! why did you come here anyway?

Twit.

You haven’t read, or understood, my OP.

I couldn’t care less about the insect: that’s my point. There’s no need to chuck a whole (water) glassful of Champagne down the drain because of a tiny fly.

No, I do not expect ‘all staff in Thailand to be … a somelier (sic)’. BUT, if one is charged a very high price for something, in an establishment where prices approach international levels, then I do sometimes expect service to approach international levels. To expect otherwise is to be made a complete fool of.

If that makes me ‘stuck up’ then I thank you for the compliment. Better that than being an inverse snob, which is not only the true pinnacle of pretension, but also marks you as an idiot: someone happy to pay a lot of money for rubbish. But that’s OK, because This Is Thailand. Do you really believe that?

If eating in some local café or street stall, which I often do, different standards apply. But then the price tag is different: that’s the whole point.

The same applies to construction standards. If one pays, say, THB 50M for a house off-plan, and is promised a beautiful, well-finished building, it is NOT acceptable to be offered rubbish then hear, ‘This is the local Thai standard of finishing.' Totally unacceptable unless the price charged is ‘local’ too.

These businesses in Phuket, which try to target ‘high end visitors’, whatever that means, can not have it both ways.

[geriatrickid]

jeez, you people can't have it both ways. There are some farangs that would crap their pants over having a bug in the glass and would insist on tossing it. .Had the bug been left in for your typical farang you can bet someoneone would have had a hissy fit.

Anyways, , it's a <deleted> glass of rotted fermented grape juice. It probably had lots of crushed vermin tossed into the mix along the way.

umm know why I am up? cuz the <deleted> retards at the hotel a block away are still blaring music and its 1:40am. I'd drink the insect laden juice if it could knock me out.

[huggybear]

I would have been really annoyed at this too

Wasn't going to look at this thread but glad I did as I love seonai's avatar.

YOU GO GIRL !!!

[muckpuk]

oh so you had an insect in your very expensive drink ! you are staying in thailand remember ! do you expect all staff in thailand to be a cordon bleu or master chef or a somelier ! my god so much stuck up farangs on this forum why didnt you go live in the south of france for gods sake ! dont you people have anything else beside complain about this country ! why did you come here anyway?

Wonderfull!!!! Thank you!

I fully agree!

These are the peopple I heard about living on this Island and giving us farangs ALL a bad name.

Snobs! I hope I never bump into them. I probably won't, thank god, as I am perfectly happy with a nice cold Chang beer!!!

The energy and time spend moaning about it is unbelievable! They probably are very bored all alone on their jachts.

Look around you, see how wonderfull it is to be here, wine or no wine, bug or no bug!!!!

Maybe you then can actually drive to Malaysia with a FRIEND instead of a PA.

Sad.

[geriatrickid]

muckpuk' date='2008-04-27 13:31:54' post='1948435'

These are the peopple I heard about living on this Island and giving us farangs ALL a bad name. Oh you mean those delusional folks that buddy up to the beach and bar workers and then wonder why these people have ummm different uhhh standards? Or do you mean the drunkards that stumble along Bangla?

Snobs! I hope I never bump into them. Look in the mirror and might see the equivalent, but one just as extreme in one's views.

I probably won't, thank god, as I am perfectly happy with a nice cold Chang beer!!!

ewww a non Singha drinker . Chang just won't do by jove. It's a slippery hill you are on and soon enough you may fall into the snare of Leo beer, a grim lifestyle indeed. What's next, a stained singlet with the belly protruding? (As opposed to my stained T shirts with the belly safely contained by the expensive chinese textile girdle like strength.)

The energy and time spend moaning about it is unbelievable! They probably are very bored all alone on their jachts. Well I should hope they would be moaning. It usually suggests a very enthusiastic act of copulation. That's some carnal boring going on there. A barlady that can't get her client moaning should be sent back to her village for a refresher course in stimulating the elderly.

Look around you, see how wonderfull it is to be here, wine or no wine, bug or no bug!!!!

Maybe you then can actually drive to Malaysia with a FRIEND instead of a PA.

Sad. hel_l no. Who would in his right mind would drive to Malaysia from Phuket???