Light Or Dark Coloured Skin

[Maizefarmer]

Ever wondered why western men are so easily drawn to Thai (and Asian) women? The article below claims to reveal the answer and in part it has to do with skin color - the explanation also accounts in part for why Thai men prefer women with light colored skin. For those who can't be bothered to read the article the following extracts sums it all up:

"Men are subconsciously attracted to fairer-skinned icons such as Nicole Kidman or Kylie Minogue because of the skin tone's association with innocence, purity, modesty, virginity, vulnerability and goodness".

"In effect, men drawn to darker looking women - such as actress Monica Bellucci over rival Michelle Pfieffer - are expressing a preference for danger".

And just so that ladies don't feel left out:

"Women, on the other hand, pick men with darker complexions - such as film stars Johnny Depp, Colin Farrell or Jamie Foxx - because these are associated with sex, virility, mystery, villainy and danger".

So men, the next time you look at your Thai other half, remember that what you see in her, assuming she is dark skinned, is danger. Quite right too. And ladies, what you see when you look at your dark skinned partner is, well, enough said. But if the study is to be believed and it is supposedly scientific in nature, there is a real mismatch in expectations between a light skinned women and and a dark skinned man!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/arti...in_page_id=1965

...... more rubbish - mind you the UK media knows it can print page after page of rubbish and the public will just keep on spending ....

[chiang mai]

at the beginning of your post you have the question "ever wonder why western men are so easily drawn to thai (and asian) women?" then the article explains about how people are attracted to different skin colours. saying that men are drawn to darker looking women.

thai (and asian women) women can be both dark and fair skinned.

the article doesn't answer your question. that is my point. sorry to be picky.

Even more, the the article states the complete opposite in the opening paragraph compared to what ChiangMai wants us to believe:

" Gentlemen do not just prefer blondes, but lighter-skinned women in general, a study has suggested."

So, OP, "speak for yourself!".

Clearly a sense of humor lapse on this forum today!

Chiang Mai doesn't want you to believe anything you don't think you should believe. Chiang Mai found a fairly humerus article in a UK rag that he decided to post here, more tongue in cheek than anything else and I would have thought all of that would be self evident, I mean, I didn't exactly disguise the fact it came from the Daily Mail! Take it, leave it or do whatever you wish with it. Maybe even totally disregard it if you like and go post about how you were ripped off by a taxi meter recently.

[GuestHouse]

Ok GH, You've denied everything, (well of course I have denied saying what I have not said) but let's have a look at your post and see if your denial pans out. - Yes let's do jus that.

Indeed there are and it is an oft noted point that Foreigners in the vast majority of cases wind up with the darker skinned women. The oft noted point is encapsulated in the question many Thais are keen to ask 'Why do Farangmen prefer dark skinned Thai women'.

The answer is not as simplistic (or even as vaguely racist) as the Daily Mail's reasoning - It's all down to the fact that foreign men on the whole don't get to meet the fairer skinned Thai women, this on account of where the majority of foreign men in Thailand meet Thai women.

And that choice in itself tells us not so much what their 'complexion' preferences are and a whole lot about their 'options' and their own self worth.

You first paragraph just states a question; "Why are most foreign men in Thailand with dark skinned women?"

Your second and third paragraphs offer your answer to the question - (Correct, I have expressed an opinion on this 'Forum') clearly talking about foreign men picking up prostitutes. (An incorrect and assumption you make yourself, I do not mention Prostitutes - though I am pleased to see you have stepped down from your previous use of the word 'Whores' - and I don't mention them either) You are very literally saying that foreign men only get to meet dark skinned Issan prostitues. (No I am not, and to be precise if I 'LITTERALLY' say something then I would have to do just that - Say those exact words - I have not - but you have)

You're reinforcing your stereotypes (that can easily be seen I agree) by saying that bad foreign men go to bad places and meet bad Thai women:

I'm doing nothing of the sort - I have not called foreign men bad, I have not called any places bad, I have not called any Thai women bad - these are terms you have chose to use.

It's all down to the fact that foreign men on the whole don't get to meet the fairer skinned Thai women,

And that choice in itself tells us not so much what their 'complexion' preferences are and a whole lot about their 'options' and their own self worth.

If you want to be dishonest now, and change the meaning of your words then that's your chice, but please tell me why foreign men on the whole don't get to meet fairer skinned women, and where are the places that the majority of foreign men in Thailand meet Thai women?

Currious that you should say I am changing the meaning of the words I have used - I am not - You are, it is you yourself that has added a derogatory context (and might I add offense terms and language in YOUR posts, claiming that these are my statements) - They are not, they are yours.

As for justifying why foreign men don't get to meet fairer skinned Thai women - Why should I justify what is clearly true? I'm making an observation (often shared by many Thais), I'm not dictating other people's choices.

As for where the Majority of Foreigners meet Thai women? Quite logically in the tourist service industries of the Hotels, Restaurants, Bars etc and predominately in the areas where the Majority of Foreigners visit and stay. That is a neutral obsevation and is not a judgement of comment on whether these are good or bad places to meet women. Like I say, I am making an observation, I am not dictating other people's choices.

Whilst your answering questions, please answer me another; what does the foreign mens choice of meeting place tell us about their 'options' and their own self worth?

It says a lot. A newly arrived foreigner who may lack any prior knowledge of Thailand, Culture, Language or have any pre-existing contacts within Thai society is going to have limited options of where and when he can interact with Thais (and particularly of the oposite sex). Personality, intelect, age, physical attractiveness and of course disposable wealth also impact on the options any individual has (anywhere on the planet). But clearly options are not wide open and hence limited.

That is not to say there are not options, of course there are, and it is in the choices from those options we may see 'self worth'. Some will choose to make an effort to integrate, learn the language, join social groups or activities where they have a chance to meet local people on an equitible basis. Others will choose to purchase companionship/friendship either by direct payment or perhaps as often with their largesse. I think such behavior is an indication of self worth.

You can deny it all you like. (Well I will deny saying things I did not say) You can backtrack and attempt to use nice words (as opposed to offensive terms of your own choosing) to hide your orginal meaning (a meaning that you assume but is not there in what I have said) , but it's still very clear (only if you add your own assumptions) . You are saying that bad foreign men go to bad places and meet bad Thai women. (Again I have not said anyone is bad - You have) Your use of pretty English words does not hide your thinly veiled stereotyping. (please - Your stereotyping - it is you that has added the missing offensive and stereotipical terms)

Now, I don't care about all of that too much beacase it is a truth that a lot of foreign men come here to meet Thai prostitues (Self worth issues I wonder?) that are, in the majority, darker skinned Isaan 'types'.

What I do care about is the way that you suggest that the white / Chinese women are better than the dark Issan women. Another denial is coming from you no doubt, (Well of course it is because I have never said such a thing - You have) so I'll show you a couple of ways that I read it:- Please do.

1) don't get to meet the fairer skinned Thai women. Fairer skinned is an interesting choice of words. I would say lighter or darker skinned, you're saying fairer, as in better. (you think to mut)

2) whole lot about their 'options' and their own self worth. You are saying firstly that it is a bad option to choose a darker skinned woman, and secondly that their own self worth must be low to choose a darker skinned woman - because lighter (sorry fairer) skinned women are better? (I'm saying nothing of the sort - You are - It is YOU who has said these things - perhaps it is you who believes these things - or perhaps you have a need to think that other people believe these things?)

Your email has two main areas:-

1) Insult foreign 'Pattaya Man' types. (No the meanings and words you have added to what I have said - identifiable as the things I actually did not say - are an insult to 'Pattaya Man' - Who ever he is?!)And

2) Insinuate that white / Chinese Thai women are better than dark skinned Issan 'type' women.

To remind you - I never mentioned White Chinese Thai Women, Nor did I mention "Dark Skinned Issan 'Type' Women! - Once again - these are terms YOU used in YOUR post - They are YOUR WORDS and presumably express YOUR THINKING

The first point I could care less about. The second point is insulting and common amongst rich Bangkok Thais, but I wouldn't expect from your good self.

Well you didn't get it from me did you?! - You dreamed it up all by yourself.

If I've misread between the lines then please accept my appology. Appology Accepted

However, I tend to think that you're unwilling to have the strength of your convictions. My Convictions are many, my thoughts on this topic are in the posts I have made above IN THE WORDS I HAVE USED (not in the words and terms you chose to add)

Don't worry Heng and ThaiGoon will come to support you soon...

I don't need support and I certainly do not need offensive words and terms adding to my posts - but I have accepted your appology on that so I'll let it go ... for now... just don't do it again.

[TheDon]

For me i love the lighter asians, with brown coloured hair some look absolutely fantastic and to me are the best and nothing beats it, ofcourse she needs a attractive face, But that is just my taste in woman.

my ranking

1. pale asians

2. dark asians

3. farang brunettes

4. Sth american (light)

5. Sth american (dark)

6. Farang blondes

7. arab

8. African/indian

9. islanders

But my preferences always change, I go through Arab phases, blonde phases etc, But Pale asian usually do it for me

[realmadrid25]

"It's all down to the fact that foreign men on the whole don't get to meet the fairer skinned Thai women, this on account of where the majority of foreign men in Thailand meet Thai women."

This is hardly the case. The reason why they end up with dark skinned does not have to do with the places they frequent, but rather the fact that Westerns are considered 2nd class citizens in Thailand and most women are not interested in them as a partner. Similarly, some black males in the USA might find that for no good reason white women are not interested in them. So it goes...

[realmadrid25]

"I'm doing nothing of the sort - I have not called foreign men bad, I have not called any places bad, I have not called any Thai women bad - these are terms you have chose to use."

LOL. I think its obvious to anyone who read your post what you were implying... I agree with your point, but no need to troll imho.

[kankaroo]

I like all women but i am more attracted to darker skin.

Coming from a cold country that rarely sees any sun, everybody walks around with a pasty, sickly white complexion. Opposites attract and all that jazz.

[kankaroo]

"It's all down to the fact that foreign men on the whole don't get to meet the fairer skinned Thai women, this on account of where the majority of foreign men in Thailand meet Thai women."

This is hardly the case. The reason why they end up with dark skinned does not have to do with the places they frequent, but rather the fact that Westerns are considered 2nd class citizens in Thailand and most women are not interested in them as a partner. Similarly, some black males in the USA might find that for no good reason white women are not interested in them. So it goes...

Agree, I have dated light skinned Thai women from wealthy Bankok families and my current long term GF is Chinese - Bangkok Thai. And they are not with me for my money, for that I am sure !

[uptou]

Light or dark skin?????If this is of importance to you in a woman you must be as shallow as a cark park puddle.

Big b00bs & a firm a$$ should be the main priority,& as my other half says,man is same as buddha in Thailand.

[TheDon]

"It's all down to the fact that foreign men on the whole don't get to meet the fairer skinned Thai women, this on account of where the majority of foreign men in Thailand meet Thai women."

This is hardly the case. The reason why they end up with dark skinned does not have to do with the places they frequent, but rather the fact that Westerns are considered 2nd class citizens in Thailand and most women are not interested in them as a partner. Similarly, some black males in the USA might find that for no good reason white women are not interested in them. So it goes...

Agree, I have dated light skinned Thai women from wealthy Bankok families and my current long term GF is Chinese - Bangkok Thai. And they are not with me for my money, for that I am sure !

Im in the same boat, my wife makes more then me.

[howtoescape]

As far as Thai women go i prefer lighter skinned ones but only as they are more likely to have the facial structure and features that i prefer.

Im only prejudice to fat women not skin colour.

[Thanh-BKK]

So what type am i? (Don't tell me "gay", i know that already).

So i prefer Indian/Thai/Malay/Chinese/other Asian/African/Arab/Latino/Caucasian guys, in that oder.

Within "Thai" i prefer Southern-dark/Isan-dark/Central-"original Thai"/Northern-thaichinese, in that order.

As in girls (i can also determine if a woman is beautiful), i prefer Thai-Isan/Thai-"original"/Thai-chinese/Chinese/other Asian/Indian/Black/Caucasian, in that order.

For T-Girls (Khatoey) Thai-chinese/Thai-dark/Latino/other Asian/Black/Caucasiasn, in that order.

Please not that "original" here is not meant discriminatory against Thai-Chinese or others, it's for lack of better words - i mean 100% pure Thai with Siamese ancestry a few hundred years back, such as my boyfriend who's neither part Chinese nor part Malay nor anything, just pure Siamese. And the reasons why i like "Isan" people is less because of their skin colour (can be dark or light...) but because of their other looks, mainly prominent facial features.

Best regards.....

Thanh

[j0hnga1t]

i'm just happy my thai gf loves me!!!

she said she wants to have a baby with me coz I'm a light skinned Chinese male and she is dark skinned. She said our baby "girl" will be pretty coz she'll have light skin......in my opinion, my gf is not dark. She is originally from Isaan....daughter of a rice farmer...

I like them all light or dark, both types are beautiful....why limit yourself :D

[pampal]

I like both dark skin and light skin ladies, I don't discriminate

[donna]

It's whats inside that counts.

After all we all have red blood right ?

That's one of modern mans greatest flaws...

And is the reason this planet is so sick....Craving...

Get over it and move on...

quote of the thread me thinks.

[RueFang]

I am grateful that in my circle of friends throughout my entire life, I have never known such shallowness in people. It's pretty sad to read a thread like this and see that so many people truly do grade others purely on physicality. I'm sure your relationships with partners and 'friends' must be very deep.

The reason why they end up with dark skinned does not have to do with the places they frequent, but rather the fact that Westerns are considered 2nd class citizens in Thailand and most women are not interested in them as a partner.

Do you live in Thailand? I don't think this is actually the case... Thai women want white babies, it's a status symbol, even if her western husband is dirt poor, most Thais believe all westerners are rich and that coupled with white skin is too attractive to pass up. Although the government treats westerners as 2nd class citizens I don't think that is the general opinion of the masses here.

[jaideeguy]

I say 'thank Buddah' that we all have different tastes and are not chasing the same women/men. That would be a real mess...

and re: lite skinned Asians being more popular, especially with Thai men. That's just media and coperate brainwashing......look at any magazine and you will see more white skinned models and how many skin whitening products are they advertising.

Again, 'thank Buddah' that white is right, because i think my flawless coffee colored wife's skin is the most beautiful color, altho she wants to be white and thinks she is ugly

[GuestHouse]

I am grateful that in my circle of friends throughout my entire life, I have never known such shallowness in people. It's pretty sad to read a thread like this and see that so many people truly do grade others purely on physicality. I'm sure your relationships with partners and 'friends' must be very deep.

.....

Do you live in Thailand? I don't think this is actually the case... Thai women want white babies, it's a status symbol, even if her western husband is dirt poor, most Thais believe all westerners are rich and that coupled with white skin is too attractive to pass up. Although the government treats westerners as 2nd class citizens I don't think that is the general opinion of the masses here.

It seems you've moved to nation where you believe the shallow values you despise are the norm...

[RueFang]

You're quick GH!

[vegas]

One of each, in a sandwich mmmm

[camerata]

I wouldn't have said Johnny Depp is dark complected. But, never mind, I'll be sure to let my husband know he is a sexy villain in my eyes

He looks pretty tanned in some of his movies...

[Maigo6]

And not so dark in others.

[sbk]

And just really dam_n hot in the rest

But no, compared to an Asian or some Italians, he is not dark complected.

[clausewitz]

I am grateful that in my circle of friends throughout my entire life, I have never known such shallowness in people. It's pretty sad to read a thread like this and see that so many people truly do grade others purely on physicality. I'm sure your relationships with partners and 'friends' must be very deep.

You don't consider physical apperance in a partner. So a witty 70 year old 150kg woman with false teeth and a wig would get you going just as much as a 25year old model?

[jayjayjayjay]

I like them:

Deeia, Deeia, (small small or short short)

Dum Dum, (black black or in Thailand case Coffee Coffee)

Mai Swauy, (ugly)

baark Yai... (with big mouths)

say the Thai bit to any Thai, tell them this is the average Farang spec and you'll have the whole house laughing..

[sbk]

I am grateful that in my circle of friends throughout my entire life, I have never known such shallowness in people. It's pretty sad to read a thread like this and see that so many people truly do grade others purely on physicality. I'm sure your relationships with partners and 'friends' must be very deep.

You don't consider physical apperance in a partner. So a witty 70 year old 150kg woman with false teeth and a wig would get you going just as much as a 25year old model?

Unless Rue has turned bi or lesbian, then no, probably not.

Of course, we all take appearance into our equations when choosing a partner but to do so solely based on appearance is shallow.

Unless of course, that person is Johnny Depp

[Austhaied]

It's whats inside that counts.

After all we all have red blood right ?

That's one of modern mans greatest flaws...

And is the reason this planet is so sick....Craving...

Get over it and move on...

quote of the thread me thinks.

Why thank you donna.

Perhaps we should all consider where we are "all" heading.

And prepare our minds for it.

It is HAPPENING NOW.

All will be revealed in time.

http://www.crystallotus.com/Script/05a.htm

[RueFang]

You don't consider physical apperance in a partner. So a witty 70 year old 150kg woman with false teeth and a wig would get you going just as much as a 25year old model?

Unless Rue has turned bi or lesbian, then no, probably not.

....

Unless of course, that person is Johnny Depp

I was going to say... if I was 40 years older and a lesbian I might consider it

Initial attraction is obviously part of it but I was more so commenting about people that make lists of their preferences! Not to be taken too seriously though

And yes, I would leave my husband for Johnny Depp if he wanted to whisk me away from all this!!

Edited March 18, 2008 by RueFang

[Colonel_Mustard]

I like them:

Deeia, Deeia, (small small or short short)

Dum Dum, (black black or in Thailand case Coffee Coffee)

Mai Swauy, (ugly)

baark Yai... (with big mouths)

say the Thai bit to any Thai, tell them this is the average Farang spec and you'll have the whole house laughing..

Though they may be laughing more at your Thai than your taste in women of course.

[Aries74]

You don't consider physical apperance in a partner. So a witty 70 year old 150kg woman with false teeth and a wig would get you going just as much as a 25year old model?

Unless Rue has turned bi or lesbian, then no, probably not.

....

Unless of course, that person is Johnny Depp

I was going to say... if I was 40 years older and a lesbian I might consider it

Initial attraction is obviously part of it but I was more so commenting about people that make lists of their preferences! Not to be taken too seriously though

And yes, I would leave my husband for Johnny Depp if he wanted to whisk me away from all this!!

That's wrong Ruefang, your hasband would not let you go without a fight.