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The dose is higher for treatment of ameoba than for giaria...2 400mg tabs at a time 3 times a day (NOT 8...not even 8 of the 200mg dose. It comes in boith strengths.) But that dose is pretty hard to tolerate and unlike the lower giardia dose, would not recommend anyone treating without lab confirmation. Plus your symptoms do not sound like amoeba.

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Diarrhoea can be caused by stress. I remember when I started driving I would get the car out of the gargage and up the drive to the road and then would park and go have diarrhoea!! This would go on until I took a grip and/or a valium!

Here in the Orient diarrhoea was caused by chilli. My driver, after taking me to the doctor many times, said 'Madam, stop eating chilli'. No problems since.

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Time to stop treating side effects of antibiotics with more antibiotics. Time to stop treatment and allow your poor battered gut to try and revive and heal itself. Take some probiotics, even some charcoal to adsorb any possible toxins and go on a light but varied diet to help it out. Give it some time and don't inflict further insult to injury..

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Time to stop treating side effects of antibiotics with more antibiotics.

Had you read the thread, perhaps you wouldn't have made such a presumption.

Not being cynical, condescending or facetious; I am aware of the Mobi saga right from the Pseudomemranous colitis thread before and it reads like a comedy of errors.. My sympathy is fully with the poor OP!!

We have the TV experts on the one side, taking stabs at, and being confident about a "definite" diagnosis; prescribing treatment and hoping for a moment of glory when the poor OP, yet being subjected to another course of medication, will come back to the forum with a confirmation of a miracle cure. Then the Thai docs on the other, trying to figure out what the underlying condition is in what has become a very complex problem. Most of them, as is clear in the thread, has taken the "easy way out"; prescribing antibiotics and/or a handful of drugs in a "hope for the best and get the farang out of here" approach.

In principle, treating side effects of medication with other medication is not appropriate at best and ill advised and dangerous at worst. For the doctors involved, dealing with a complicated case such as this has become, is also a nightmare.

The bottom line, usually, is get back to the basics.

Everybody on this thread wishes the OP only the best, I am not an exception..

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Thanks FBN and others who have taken an interest in my medical dilemmas.

I stopped all the antibiotics about a week ago on the advice of Sheryl. She suspects that all my problems are probably due to stress.I am now just taking the Ulsanic and Salofalk which are designed to treat the various stomach conditions that have been identified.

At my request I received the following report from my Doc yesterday: The Pathological report will be sent to you. This is the interpretation of that report.

1. Moderate chronic duodenitis: chronic inflammation of proximal part of small intestine, moderate degree unable to identify cause. However, no evidence confirms infection in origin.

2. Chronic inflammation of the stomach probably from bile reflux. Advice continues antiacid medicine and prokinetic drug such as Domperidone.

3. Tubular adenoma of colon. This is precancerous lesion, it was removed. Therefore, you have to have colonoscopy for colon cancer surveillance. Every 5-10 years (advise 5 years at first follow-up).

4. Inflammation of distal part of small intestine, cause was unable to identify may be the same process of the proximal one. Advise: follow-up (Mandatory)

5. Inflammation of colon

1, 4 and 5 = probably same cause

Advise: follow-up

I am pleased to report that there has been a definite improvement in my condition over the past few days. My first bowel movement in the morning (as soon as I wake) is almost normal. Then after breakfast I usually only have one bout of diarrhea and then I am generally OK for the rest of the day. Maybe the meds are starting to work.

I am going in to Bummers early tomorrow for my angioplasty, and all being well I will see my stomach Doc on Saturday.

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i had a bout of colitis last year , diagnosed at bumrungrad.

the doc. said that its cause is not understood , could be an infection, could be a bacterial imbalance due to antibiotic therapy or it could be an allergy /auto - immune problem , and it is becoming more and more common these days , especially among westerners.

it took a good few weeks to clear up fully , i still take tablets , but at a lower dosage , i have no symptoms now and the doc said i would probably have to take medication for a long time.

he suggested a colonoscopy every 2 years.

with salofalk , you will need to have blood tests every three months , they can (rarely) affect the haemoglobin , liver or kidneys .... i forget which. you also have to take them regularly and not miss any.

salofalk can be obtained from the large pharmacies opposite siriraj hospital for a lot less than the the price charged by bumrungrad. about 35b/tablet at siriraj.

hope the improvement continues , good luck tomorrow.

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Thanks Tax.

Yes the doc told me pretty much the same thing - she said 80% are caused by unidentifiable bacterial infections (hence the course of antibiotics), and the remaining 20% the cause is unknown. However, I am inclined the think that Sheryl is probably correct.

Can you point me in the direction of Siriraj hospital - I've been looking for a large pharmacy in BKK as I can't get all my meds in Pattaya.

The last load of meds I got from Bumrungrad for my stomach cost a whopping 15,000Baht. :o

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i had a bout of colitis last year , diagnosed at bumrungrad.

the doc. said that its cause is not understood , could be an infection, could be a bacterial imbalance due to antibiotic therapy or it could be an allergy /auto - immune problem , and it is becoming more and more common these days , especially among westerners.

it took a good few weeks to clear up fully , i still take tablets , but at a lower dosage , i have no symptoms now and the doc said i would probably have to take medication for a long time.

he suggested a colonoscopy every 2 years.

with salofalk , you will need to have blood tests every three months , they can (rarely) affect the haemoglobin , liver or kidneys .... i forget which. you also have to take them regularly and not miss any.

Tax,

1. do you mean you had Diverticulitis* (last year) ?

* http://www.emedicinehealth.com/script/main...articlekey=3080

I had 2 attacks this year (Feb and March) but they didn't subscribe me any medication afterwards ?

2. what kind of tablets are you using ? Is that the 'Salofalk' you're talking about ?

LaoPo

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My diarrhoea finally started to clear up last Thursday, and although I still have a slight problem, it is definitely on the mend, and I feel much better for it.

I am still continuing with the medication and will see the Doctor again next week. I don't think my stomach will ever be "normal" but hopefully the meds will keep it under control. I'm still on a non dairy diet, but am eating the odd slice of bread without any adverse effects.

I had the angiogram last Thursday morning. Strangely they put me to sleep with a strong sleeping pill. All my previous angios were carried out with me awake, and even the Bummers blurb sheet said I would be concious. I woke up 2 hours later only to be told that the doc had been delayed, and they put me asleep again - this time with an injection :o

Finally I woke and was told the blockage was 50% and i wouldn't need a stent until it reached 60 - 70% My last angio - some years back showed a blockage of 30% so I'm slowly getting there :D Medication and exercise is now the order of the day.

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siriraj hospital is on the thonburi bank of the chao phrya river , i take a river taxi from the end of the skytrain at thaksin bridge and get off at the siriraj jetty (N-10 wang lang pier) and walk through the small market attached to the pier and then walk up the street . siriraj hospital is the huge place on the right side of the street. after about 200 metres you will see lots of large pharmacies on the left side of the street.

i buy at either fasino , phetcharat or siriraj pharmacies. these are private businesses and have no connection to the hospital. the signs are all in thai. the price for mesalazine (salofalk ) is around 35 baht per tablet and they come in boxes of 10 strips of 10 tablets. always check that the boxes are complete , (sometimes they sell a strip or two out of a box) and make sure that the boxes contain the tablets and not the suppositories , the boxes are similar. if you cant speak any thai then its best to have a thai speaker with you , these large pharmacies are very crowded and busy , if you buy in bulk then you can get a small reduction in the price.

siriraj pharmacy ... 024110052 , 024124031 , 024127122. (closed saturday)

phetcharat pharmacy ...024110568 , 024111481. (open all week i think)

whilst in that area , its worth popping into the hospital and having a look at the macabre sights on offer at the

The Siriraj Medical Museums in Siriraj Hospital, Bangkok display exhibits relating to pathology, forensic medicine, parasitology, anatomy and the history of medicine in Thailand.

Siriraj Hospital is the first public hospital in Thailand established by King Rama V in 1886 and named after one of his sons who died of dysentery at the age of two. The Faculty of Medicine here, set up in 1890, is also the oldest medical school in Thailand.

Six separate museums make up the Siriraj Medical Museums:

Ellis Pathological Museum

Songkran Niyomsane Forensic Medicine Museum

Ouay Ketusingh Museum of History of Thai Medicine

Parasitology Museum

Congdon Anatomical Museum

Sood Sangvichien Prehistoric Museum & Laboratory

Let's start our tour of the Siriraj Medical Museums with the Ellis Pathological Museum named in honor of Professor A G Ellis, the first pathologist in Thailand who worked in the Pathology Department in 1921 and stayed on as Director of Siriraj until 1938.

The babies preserved here are either stillborn or dead shortly after birth. There're dissected sections of babies, Siamese twins showing their joined organs and babies born with one eye. Some have external or internal deformations arising from various diseases or with organs protruding outside the body.

Specimens of preserved organs used for pathological tests are displayed with organs infected by various diseases. Medical students were scribbling away in their books, though not all visitors were as enthusiastic. One visibly shaken woman visitor was seen sitting out the tour.

Our next stop in the tour of Siriraj Medical Museums was the Songkran Niyomsane Forensic Medicine Museum named after Professor Dr Songkran Niyomsane, a pioneer in forensic medicine who started the museum.

The latest addition to the museum records the efforts by Siriraj Hospital during the December 2004 tsunami, when pathology teams assisted in the disaster victim identification. The scenes are simply gruesome.

The rest of the displays cover skulls, bones, damaged organs and photographs of murder and accident cases used in investigations, including the preserved bodies of a couple of rapists/murderers!

I gather that the founder, Dr Songkran's skeleton is also on display in the museum, though I couldn't quite identify it!

The Ouay Ketusingh Museum of History of Thai Medicine started by Professor Ouay Ketusingh, who headed the Departments of Physiology and Phamacology, was started in 1979. The traditional Thai medicine shop display was a pleasant relief.

Also featured are the traditional practice of child delivery by village midwives and the quaint practice of getting the new mother to sleep by the fire for quick recovery.

In the Parasitology Museum started in 1970 by Dr Vichit Chaiyaporn, Department of Parasitology, you'll be exposed to every conceivable form of parasite or worm infecting every movable form of edible life.

Lungworms, pinworms, roundworms, tapeworms, whipworms infecting livestock, fish, crustaceans, vegetables and viruses causing food poisoning are identified here.

So are the mosquitoes that cause Elephantiasis, an enlargement of the leg and the scrotum.

If it's not what you eat, then pay heed to the venomous snakes, spiders, scorpions, centipedes and tarantulas.

The last two Siriraj Medical Museums are in the Anatomy block. The Congdon Anatomical Museum was started in 1927 by Dr Edgar D Congdon, Professor of Anatomy and father of modern Anatomy in Thailand.

Row after row of showcases display skeletons, skulls, organs, dissected sections, preserved nervous, muscular, arterial and venous systems. Being the oldest museum, the creaking floorboards added to the creepy air about the place.

lao po , i had colitis not diverticulitis. i still take salofalk , but at a reduced dosage. i have to go for another check in september and hopefully will be able to stop the medication , its bl00dy expensive !!

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lao po , i had colitis not diverticulitis. i still take salofalk , but at a reduced dosage. i have to go for another check in september and hopefully will be able to stop the medication , its bl00dy expensive !!

I see; sorry for the misunderstanding.

LaoPo

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Mobi and Tax,

The cheapest of all, if it is clear you will be on the medication for some time, is to contact the manufacturer/distributor and buy a years supply directly from them. In the case of Salofalk the company is Falk.

I'd suggest (if you haven't already) checking out the prices on the following which are generic equivalents:

Mesacol made by Sun Pharma

Pensa made by Ferring

Sun Pharma is an Indian company specializing in generic forms of US drugs. Ought to cost substantialy less. AFAIK quality OK

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Mobi,

You had the pseudomembranous colitis a few weeks ago. With underlying diabetes, it may just be fungal overgrowth as we suggested in a post on that thread. C. dificile is not easily found in tests but have it repeated.

More antibiotics without a specific diagnosis will only aggravate the situation.

By all means have a colonoscopy done; it is a good test to have if you are over 50 anyway but I don't know of any colon cancer that presented with diarrhoea; the colonoscopy should exclude that and may also offer an opportunity to take samples from the intestine for checking.

Can you clarify ''I don't know of any colon cancer that presented with diarrhoea'', is it not a symptom?

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Mobi,

You had the pseudomembranous colitis a few weeks ago. With underlying diabetes, it may just be fungal overgrowth as we suggested in a post on that thread. C. dificile is not easily found in tests but have it repeated.

More antibiotics without a specific diagnosis will only aggravate the situation.

By all means have a colonoscopy done; it is a good test to have if you are over 50 anyway but I don't know of any colon cancer that presented with diarrhoea; the colonoscopy should exclude that and may also offer an opportunity to take samples from the intestine for checking.

Can you clarify ''I don't know of any colon cancer that presented with diarrhoea'', is it not a symptom?

Diarrhoea is not a usual sign associated with colon carcinoma. Any change in bowel habit must be investigated when over 50; meaning constipation, pain with defecation etc. also. Occult bleeding is, however. Colon carcinomas can stay asyptomatic till very late in the disease. Not uncommon to have liver metastases at time of diagnosis already.

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Mobi,

You had the pseudomembranous colitis a few weeks ago. With underlying diabetes, it may just be fungal overgrowth as we suggested in a post on that thread. C. dificile is not easily found in tests but have it repeated.

More antibiotics without a specific diagnosis will only aggravate the situation.

By all means have a colonoscopy done; it is a good test to have if you are over 50 anyway but I don't know of any colon cancer that presented with diarrhoea; the colonoscopy should exclude that and may also offer an opportunity to take samples from the intestine for checking.

Can you clarify ''I don't know of any colon cancer that presented with diarrhoea'', is it not a symptom?

According to the Mayo clinic diarrhoea can be a sympton of colon cancer.

here is a snip of what I posted in post 23:

I looked at several sites on the symptoms of colon cancer, and only the Mayo clinic mention diarrhoea as a symptom. Constipation is a far more common symptom, but it seems it would depend on where the tumour(s) are located. Here's a snip from the Mayo site:

Signs and symptoms of colon cancer include:

  • A change in your bowel habits, including diarrhoea or constipation or a change in the consistency of your stool for more than a couple of weeks
  • Rectal bleeding or blood in your stool
  • Persistent abdominal discomfort, such as cramps, gas or pain
  • Abdominal pain with a bowel movement
  • A feeling that your bowel doesn't empty completely
  • Weakness or fatigue
  • Unexplained weight loss

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Thanks for the clarification gents, it has been pretty variable all my life and on the last occasion I mentioned it to a doctor he said ''if it's always been like that don't worry about it''.

But recently I feel it is getting worse-possibly my imagination- although I have had the all-clear on a stool sample test.

Gross subject, thank you for the response.

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Thanks for the clarification gents, it has been pretty variable all my life and on the last occasion I mentioned it to a doctor he said ''if it's always been like that don't worry about it''.

But recently I feel it is getting worse-possibly my imagination- although I have had the all-clear on a stool sample test.

Gross subject, thank you for the response.

Not gross at all. I had diarrhoea thro many south and south east Asian countries until a driver in Indonesia, after umpteen trips to the doctor, said "Stop eating chilli". Bingo! Problem solved.

Maybe it's something you are eating?

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Well here I am 6 months down the line, and still not better, in fact I have been told that my stomach is now worse than it was!

To recap, I was suffering from chronic diarrhoea for several months and following a colonoscopy and gastroscopy last May I was prescribed Salofalk and Ulsanic, which has been very effective in controlling my chronic diarrhoea.

But every tine I stopped the medication the diarrhoea returned within 24 hours, and with a vengeance. :o

Last Wednesday I had another gastroscopy (Camera down my throat to inspect the 2nd part of the duodenenum, and to take some biopsy samples).

My specialist told me my stomach is worse than it was, and the report lists: GERD with hiatal hernia,moderate active erosive gastritis and duodenitis.

She also doesn't know what is causing my condition.

She has stopped the Salofalk, and has prescribed Pariet and Mucosata.

I will see her again next Monday to find out the results of the biopsy and blood tests, and to check on the results of a the change in medication.

This all getting me down - especially as the doctor seems to offer no explantion for my condition, nor do I see any hope of getting better.

Some of you out there have similar stomach conditions or have some knowledge on this subject.

I would appreciate some advice. Should I seek a second oipion, or just soldier on?

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Can you go to a western country for a few weeks?

I would leave Thailand and that would give you the chance to see if things improved in a western environment and it would also give you the chance to seek alternative medical advice.

Clearly the doctors in Thailand don't know what your problem is and you are only getting worse......

Don't soldier on, you need to do something and what you are doing now is not working.

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Mobi,

1. Have you stopped all alcohol? A definitie causative factor in many cases of erosive gastritis.

2. Irritating effects of medications are another common culprit, can you list all that you take (inlcuding any that you take occasionally such as pain killers etc)? Be sure to especially avoid aspirin and anti-inflammatory drugs.

3. Stress is also a possibility, how are your stress levels?

4. Eating habits? (Regular? Avoid taking meds on empty stomach?)

5. Have you been tested (or empirically treated) for heliobacter?

6. Consumption of coffee or colas? (both very irritating to stomach)?

It is not uncommon to have remissions and exacerbations with erosive gastritis. Best bet is to identify and address the cause(s).

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Have you tried using colloidal silver, which safely kills over 650 different strains of disease-causing bacteria, combined with blood electrification, as part of The Beck Protocol, to virtually eliminate all pathogens from your body? It's worth a try to see if it will help.

I don't have any chronic conditions myself but currently use the SOTA SP Lite (which is currently offered at discount pricing and works just great!) to "recharge" daily, so to speak, as well as make some high-quality CS a couple of times a week for health enhancement. I use NiMH batteries with it, too, since it'll chew thru alkalines in less than a week, so rechargeables are a must.

I recommend it wholeheartedly. With as much as you're spending on "frankenpharmaceuticals", you have nothing to lose.

PM me if you have further questions.

(Note: I have no affiliation with SOTA Instruments)

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mobi

"When I finally went to see a doctor, he didn't think that I had it, and prescribed me some new antibiotics. They didn't work so he gave me another lot - which also haven't worked. Hence my visit to Phyathai hospital."

this statement is a real worry. These guys hand out antibiotics like they do paracetamol.

Over prescribed antibiotics is not going to help you long term in healing anything!

I used a product called Coloson to clean out my colon, it is available online.

good luck.

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Well here I am 6 months down the line, and still not better, in fact I have been told that my stomach is now worse than it was!

To recap, I was suffering from chronic diarrhoea for several months and following a colonoscopy and gastroscopy last May I was prescribed Salofalk and Ulsanic, which has been very effective in controlling my chronic diarrhoea.

But every tine I stopped the medication the diarrhoea returned within 24 hours, and with a vengeance. :o

Last Wednesday I had another gastroscopy (Camera down my throat to inspect the 2nd part of the duodenenum, and to take some biopsy samples).

My specialist told me my stomach is worse than it was, and the report lists: GERD with hiatal hernia,moderate active erosive gastritis and duodenitis.

She also doesn't know what is causing my condition.

She has stopped the Salofalk, and has prescribed Pariet and Mucosata.

I will see her again next Monday to find out the results of the biopsy and blood tests, and to check on the results of a the change in medication.

This all getting me down - especially as the doctor seems to offer no explantion for my condition, nor do I see any hope of getting better.

Some of you out there have similar stomach conditions or have some knowledge on this subject.

I would appreciate some advice. Should I seek a second oipion, or just soldier on?

Yes this money pit called a hospital will never cure anyone unfortunately. Its a massive band aid factory and should only be used for broken bones and stiches imo. There are far better places to get well than a hospital.

I spent 300k at bumrungrad for some similar symptoms that you have and at the end i felt worse due to all the abtibiotics they threw at me.

At the end of the day they are guessing mate, they make a diagnosis on what information they have, so it just means a "guess" really.

For certain after all the antibiotics and crap they have prescribed you, you will probably have a BB (bad bacteria) overgrowth in your system and that will beed to be fixed with massive doses of probiotics.

Now like many you have gone through the revolving doors at the hospital, try to get an actual way to recovery by detoxing your body, stay off any sugar food including fruit, clean your colon with http://www.thefinchleyclinic.com/shop/colo...eof90-p-25.html ( i have no affiliation to this website, its just where i get my vitamins and minerals sent from). they deliver to thailand and I have found them to be very quick and professional. you could also go to the main section of the site and contact them and let them know your symptoms and they might be able to help mor. Maybe just copy and paste your posts in this thread and send to them)

Mobi, I have been that ill this year I have even just flown to other countries to get diagnosed and even had hyrdrogen peroxide therapy, EDTA and IV Vitamin C and although many xall it "quackery".. these type of alternative therapies are the ONLY things that have helped me.

I have become that passionate about helping others, I am now with the help of a medical and alternative Dr, setting up a Health resort in Thailand and the Philippines. There are many like you that do not know what to do and after the dugs dont work, Dr's usually have no clue on what to prescribe next.. You are left with less money, usually feeling confused about what route to take next and the Dr offers no 'alternative" therapy to assist, as they are not trained to do so and usually that closed minded on the subject..

I would personally detox your body in many ways and start doing your own research online.. You can learn a lot more in 1 year online than what those dr's learn in 4 years at their "degree" training.. If they actually stepped away from the ficticous books they were given at school and took a look around at other ways of curing, they would be open to a world that they thought was quackery.

Read up on Ozone therapy, Chelation Therapy, Rife, Hydrogen peroxide etc etc.. Whatever is inside you it has to be killed or taken out, its that simple.. so start doing that 'naturally" or as naturally as you can.

I wish you good luck and one last piece of advise is.. Sit every day and see yourself healed and take a minute to aks for help through prayer.. Any Help you can get right? :D We are all energy, so get it flowing..

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She has stopped the Salofalk, and has prescribed Pariet and Mucosata.

if the salofalk (mesalazine) was controlling the diarrhoea , then why did the doctor advise you to stop taking it?

those tablets will have no effect on the stomach , they pass right through and are designed and manufactured so that they do not release their active pharmaceutical agent until they reach the colon. maybe i am missing something , but the advice to stop taking them makes no sense.

gastritis affects the stomach , not the colon. it sounds as if you have 2 separate complaints , each of which demands its own treatment.

pariet will reduce acid production in the stomach , and coupled with the mucostata will give the inflamed stomach and duodenal lining a chance to normalise.

if you decide to get a second opinion , i can recommend prof. nusont kladcharoen , at bumrungrads digestive diseases centre. in his late fifties and uk qualified , i found him to be professional , quietly spoken and thorough.

good luck

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detox would be a good start.

no alcohol,coffee,tea(green tea ok)do not cook with oil,steam vegies are good,a little fish and chicken breast,rice ok.no chilli's,no spicy food at all.Diet really important.

Am not a big fan of hospitals here either,and usually try herbal remedies first but have n't been able to find any really good detox here so send for herbal detox liquid from my naturopath back home in australia.Like another poster suggested go back home to get this thing cured,6 months is a long time to be still having trouble,and yes stress will make the symptoms worse.I wish you well.

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Have you tried using colloidal silver, which safely kills over 650 different strains of disease-causing bacteria, combined with blood electrification, as part of The Beck Protocol, to virtually eliminate all pathogens from your body? It's worth a try to see if it will help.

Colloidal silver can also turn you blue. Permanently. I'm not joking.

http://nccam.nih.gov/health/alerts/silver/

Animal studies have shown that silver builds up in the tissues of the body. In humans, buildup of silver from colloidal silver can lead to a side effect called argyria. It causes a bluish-gray discoloration of the skin, other organs, deep tissues, nails, and gums. Argyria cannot be treated or reversed, and it is permanent. While it is not known how argyria occurs, it is thought that silver combines with protein, forming complexes that deposit in the skin and are processed by sunlight (as in traditional photography).6,7 Other side effects from using colloidal silver products may include neurologic problems (such as seizures), kidney damage, stomach distress, headaches, fatigue, and skin irritation. Colloidal silver may interfere with the body's absorption of the following drugs: penacillamine, quinolones, tetracyclines, and thyroxine.

Also note good ol' QuackWatch:

http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelate...s/silverad.html

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Have you tried using colloidal silver, which safely kills over 650 different strains of disease-causing bacteria, combined with blood electrification, as part of The Beck Protocol, to virtually eliminate all pathogens from your body? It's worth a try to see if it will help.

the "blood electrification" is especially important as it prevents abductions by most aliens! :o

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