Current Price Of Corn (maize)

[WatersEdge]

Hi Altman,

Hi Moderator...if we hijack this thread to anyone's annoyance,

please show us the kosher way.

Not my way to trample anyone

They cut the tops off the corn just above the cob when the corn grain has reached physiological maturity,

but when it is still green and wet...

so the bulk of the leaf falls to the ground,

leaving a few ragged leaves under the cob

and I think they loosely broadcast the bean seed

It sprouts in one day maybe two in good moisture, and takes root very quickly.

I have not actually watched them plant the beans

so don't know if they bother to bury the seed.

I rough broadcast on sand and they sprouted and took root.

When they walk into the field to gather the air dried cobs,

the feet don't cover as much of the surface area as you might think

small feet big field you might say,

so the number of beans trampled is insignificant.

The corn leaf decomposes quickly,

but even so, they may not be able to plant beans immediately.

After dry cob harvest,

they slash most of the dry stalks,

just letting them fall around the young bean plants.

I see that some farmers leave some stalks standing as distance reference,

while most of the stalks are slashed to the ground.

There is no practical reason the corn stalk could not be left standing,

other than an obstacle among the bean vines during November harvest.

At Mung Bean harvest

they gather the entire vine, leaves, pods, cutting it off at the ground.

Then they bind large bundles with the vines as twine,

and lay it out loose on tarps in the field to completely air dry,

taking care to keep occasional rains off it,

sometimes putting up temporary pipe frame tarp shelters over the piles

Important thing is that the wet vines be able to breathe in the dry day air,

sheltered from night dew and rain showers.

Last year when I was not prepared to store green forage,

I windrowed the green corn stalks on top of each sprinkler line,

every 20 meters, and in a few weeks they were mostly decomposed

just as your experience with piling them.

I'd suggest laying them parallel in a straight line pile

to rot them faster than in a jumbled pile,

because the moisture doesn't dry off...it continues to help the stalk fiber decompose.

I allow no burning of any kind on the entire farm,

and gladly allow a composted walk path over the sprinkler line,

as we need ready access to the whole field somehow

[WatersEdge]

Hi Farmerjo,

I apply 1,400 kg/ha 15-15-15 for a target yield of 9,000 kg/ha Grain.

At 6.25 Rai/ha => 1,440 kg/rai

It's a very modest goal,

still nowhere near what I know we can raise with refinement.

after I build up the Phosphate as well as carbon content of my depleted soil

This fertilizer is indeed heavy,

covering the uptake of both the grain and the full stalk,

all of which will be removed from the ground.

If you are growing only for grain,

then you may consider the fertilizer value of your stalk to be returned to the soil

if you plow it under

although it takes a bit of time for it all to decompose,

so you'll have to apply full fertilizer for the first two successive crops,

then your residual stalk fertilizer value will begin to show itself.

Production goals can be set by last years' US production champions.

http://www.seedquest.com/News/releases/200...ember/24685.htm

There is no way I'd try to grow just grain for profitable sale.

Even though the Thailand domestic market runs considerably above the Chicago Board of Trade,

right now at 38% higher

production costs with manual labor at my small scale are just too high.

But I am happy enough with the turnout of combined crop toward the hog barn.

Eventually the fertilizer cycle will catch up to itself,

on a closed cycle farm like this

since hog manure returning to the field will reduce the amount of bagged fertilizer required

and it significantly builds the soil carbon content

Edited June 28, 2009 by WatersEdge

[farmerjo]

Thanks maizefarmer and watersedge for your advice.

Will wait and see what yeild my harvest brings then modify my methods accordingly.

My plan is to grow 80 rai of corn next year with 2 crops in a year.

This is to be stored in an aerated shed on farm and sold when price is up.

With the purchase of a corn picker,dehusker(maizefarmer any new ideas or similar machines in thailand?)

The operation will be handled by my wife and fil with no need for labour.

Back to spacings,interow = 600mm intrarow,well its a thai seeder and varies,but have noticed this year having trialled 3 varieties nk38,888 and 919.The 919 seed is a lot smaller than the other two.

Picture of 10 rai planted on 8th june on newland with same method as before.

My goal is to make 400,000 profit off this 80 rai with corn,is this achieveable?

[Maizefarmer]

Baht400K off 80 rai - nope, not likely. Thats over 12K per rai (if my figures are right) - not impossible, but extremely unlikely. You'd want a high yield, and to achieve that in the soil type you have your inputs would be high (and you'd have to change the hybrid type) - which is going to slash your margin. 200K - yes, thats possible.

If you want 400k, then add to what I said in the earlier posting: use of an airseeder (in other words precision planting), fertiliser banding, Roundup ready seed (which is still not legal in Thailand- although I know for a fact it is grown on the quiet), soil testing (to get the fertiliser regime spot on).

I'm having an open day/weekend later this year (the first time ever) which will be for some of the TV Farming in Thailand forum members/users - if you really are going to grow on that scale then I'd be happy to have you round - and you can see how I go about growing and harvesting over a 1000rai of the stuff each year. For me, it's all livestock stock feed (fresh and ensiled) - as opposed to nett seed yield, but the apporach is much the same in so far as you need a healthy plant either way to get a good yield (just that my emphasize is slightly more towards green matter volume than it is towards seed yield).

Youre talking about a combine harvester - forget it - they cost millions and the only guys who can justify the cost of owning them are not the farmers, but the contractors - the guys who go round harvesting for farmers. if you have something like 10 000 - 20 000 rai, then yes, the cost of a combine is justified, but not otherwise.

Now if you were harvesting 80rai as livestock feed (e.g. as fresh or ensiled forage) - yes, then it would be worth looking for a trailed or self propelled forage harvester - and you;d have folk lining up for you to cut their crop as well. A used forage harvester is worth it for 80rai.

80rai - if its a good crop, then yes, it'll be worth getting a contractor in the combine for you. You pay him cash or give him a slice of the yield.

Don't bother trying to stockpile the harvest in the hope the price goes up. The volume from 80rai versus the care it will need from one season to the next won't justify the time/cost you'll have to put into looking after it - harvest and shift it straight away.

80rai of maize is a fairly large crop - if it goes wrong it will cost you quite a lot of money. My sugggestion - build up slowly 8, then 20, then 30 or 40rai - then move up to 80. managing 80rai is very different to managing 10rai or so - especially if you are wanting to earn good maoney from it - its a lot of time and a lot of very careful planning.

[cornfarmers]

I am getting quoted from 10.50 baht for bulk to 15 baht from CP, dried and bagged.

Anyone know some farmers wanting to sell?

Hi, i am a farmer living in Pailin Cambodia, i have 100 hectares land, I grow corn, and beans. In my region we can supply up to 20,000 tons of dried corn (seed or whole kernel). I would like to sell and also be a broker. Does anyone knows who wants to buy? Thanks

Edited July 5, 2009 by cornfarmers

[Maizefarmer]

I am getting quoted from 10.50 baht for bulk to 15 baht from CP, dried and bagged.

Anyone know some farmers wanting to sell?

Hi, i am a farmer living in Pailin Cambodia, i have 100 hectares land, I grow corn, and beans. In my region we can supply up to 20,000 tons of dried corn (seed or whole kernel). I would like to sell and also be a broker. Does anyone knows who wants to buy? Thanks

Thats a fair amount - when was it harvested, is it graded, condition (have certificate?), how would you deliver to Thailand .... and all the usual questions that go with a bulk negotiation of this size.

I am always interested in large quantities of maize, but as always its only any good to me if:

a) on LOC terms

has certificate

c) can be delivered

.... and all that beating local wholesale prices (local read as North East)

Regards

MF

[cornfarmers]

I am getting quoted from 10.50 baht for bulk to 15 baht from CP, dried and bagged.

Anyone know some farmers wanting to sell?

Hi, i am a farmer living in Pailin Cambodia, i have 100 hectares land, I grow corn, and beans. In my region we can supply up to 20,000 tons of dried corn (seed or whole kernel). I would like to sell and also be a broker. Does anyone knows who wants to buy? Thanks

Thats a fair amount - when was it harvested, is it graded, condition (have certificate?), how would you deliver to Thailand .... and all the usual questions that go with a bulk negotiation of this size.

I am always interested in large quantities of maize, but as always its only any good to me if:

a) on LOC terms

has certificate

c) can be delivered

.... and all that beating local wholesale prices (local read as North East)

Regards

MF

Many thanks for your feedback.

Already having commitments on our current stock, this trading would

actually bear on our next production.

We can deliver bulk/bagged, wet/dry, unsized/sized, whole/seeds at

purchasers' preferences. What would be yours, bagged dry sized seeds? If

so, what are your bag size, moisture content and seed size requirements?

In terms of certification, I assume you mean a Third Party certifying

origin, moisture content and size of corn. Would there be any other

parameter to be certified?

Letters of Credit can be discussed at a later stage although reading the

general wording would help.

Thank you again for your response.

Kind regards

Cornfarmers

[Maizefarmer]

Correct - as in an SGS or similar organisation certificate. That would be an absolute requirement.

Trading bulk likes this means due dilligence - lets follow this up through the private messaging system - I think thats more appropriate.

Regards

MF

[WatersEdge]

Should anyone need a Grain Moisture Tester,

it is available in Kett brand

cost around B26,000

from SK Scale in Lampang.

www.skscale.com

It's not listed on the site,

but my local granary gave me their contact info

when I asked her where she bought hers.

I'm sure you have Kett dealers in your respective areas,

The price sounds expensive,

but if you are shipping corn it can save you the money rapidly.

Last year my Foreman shipped a load of corn at 20% moisture,

it cost me B0.50 moisture penalty,

so I can tell you how wise an investment it is.

Also, as we buy and sell corn,

buyer and seller can quantify with certainty

The same tester is calibrated for a number of common grains

[BillyBobThai]

To get an inexpensive way to check moisture content, buy a scale that can measure at least 10 gram to 1% accuarcy. Weigh a 10 gram sample before drying and and continue weighing until the weigh stops dropping. The drying must be done in an electic oven; a gas oven gives off moisture; at a temperature of 250-300 F. Using the weight before and after drying will give the moisture content.

[Maizefarmer]

To get an inexpensive way to check moisture content, buy a scale that can measure at least 10 gram to 1% accuarcy. Weigh a 10 gram sample before drying and and continue weighing until the weigh stops dropping. The drying must be done in an electic oven; a gas oven gives off moisture; at a temperature of 250-300 F. Using the weight before and after drying will give the moisture content.

"electric oven" ... as in microwave oven using the technique I have shared with folk in a number of earlier postings & threads(?).

I've never tried a conventional type electric oven - my question is: have you tried that and how long would it take? Would you crush the sample first

100grams (crushed - well, pulverised with a morter & pestel, otherwsie they tend to pop) in a microwave at about 16% down to around 10% will take +/- 25minutes - using a 500-600watt microwave at a medium setting (3 to 1 ratio).

[cenlonggo]

HELLO ALL,

Sawatikap,

I am Yudi from Indonesia. my buss. is in corn and rice. i supply corn to feedmill including charoen phokpand. i am interetested in importing corn from thailand (if the price could match ofcourse). but i dont have channels there. could anyone help me?

what area is the largest corn producer in thailand?

does anyone here know some people i could contact directly?

what is the current C&F jakarta or surabaya price for feedmill corn moist. 15% afflax. 20ppb max?

what is the factory quality standard in thailand? may be from charoen pokphand?

thx guys

[farmerjo]

Got 4.9 baht in chumpae last week

What amazes me is from 2 corn crops months apart the moisture just happened to be 27 percent on both occassions resulting my profit diminished.

Looking to the future corns out on a large scale for me,i cant see for the outlay upfront and returns recieved how even the thais can make a modest profit.

The best way to look at it is the 15 or so people who worked for me,at least they made baht.

As much as i hate sugar its still a blessing in disguise

[Maizefarmer]

Cenlonggo

This years wet season 1st crop has just been harvested and is in the warehouses as you make your enquir, but I'm not sure you'll have much luck at the moment - national stocks are below average for this time of the years, and the bulk export license quantity has gone up both in terms of price and quantity (tonnage).

The 2nd crop, for those who are growing a 2nd wet season or late wet season crop, is in the ground and early indications are that its going to be nothing great - average - so is going to be used to fill in fo rthe first crop.

Still, you can buy bulk if you want to, just that I think you may be better off importing from India - if this is bulk. What sort of quantities do you have in mind?

In any event heres a list of the big names in bulk maize export:

AMORN CHAI CO. LTD.

293/25 Surawong Road, Bangkok 10500 Thailand

Tel 66 – 2 - 341502-9

Telex 82912 KAMKIJ TH

Contact Khun Poonsin Tivong

HONG YIAH SENG CO. LTD

196-8 Rajawong Road, Chakawad, Bangkok 10100 Thailand

Tel 66 – 2 – 240035 or 248685-93

Telex 82994 HONYISN TH

Contact Khun Prachai Leophairatana

INTER CORN (1983) CO.

13-19 Trok Rongnamkhaeng, New Road 24 Road, Bangkok 10100 Thailand

Tel 66 – 2 – 347328-9

Telex : 87946 INTCORN TH

Contact Khun Ninpat Chamroonratana

JOO SENG (THAILAND) CO. LTD

1/6 Bangkok Bank Lane, Suapa Road, Bangkok 10100 Thailand

Tel 66 – 2 – 223181 or 2212398 or 2210411or 2214964

Telex 82348 ANMAIZE TH

Contact Khun Narong Srinaneekulroj

KIT PORN CO. LTD

1/3 Bangkok Lane, Suapa Road, Bangkok 10100 Thailand

Tel 66 – 2 – 250055-64, or 256740-48

Telex 82174 KITPORN TH

Contact Khun Teerathep Kongsirivorkul

MAHARNNOP CO. LTD

778 Rama 4 Road, Siphraya, Bangkok 10500 Thailand

Tel 66 – 2 – 2332952 or 2335080

Telex 22690 MAHADON TH

Contact Khun Maharnnop Dejvitak

NAMSWAT ENTERPRISE CO. LTD.

1196 Songwad Road, Samphanthawong, Bangkok 10100 Thailand

Tel 66 – 2 – 2248256-7 or 2261401-5

Telex 82994 HONYISN TH

Contact Khun Mongkol Tangpanichayanont

NEW THAI PRODUCT CO. LTD

Vanit Building, 1126/1 New Phetchaburi Road, Bangkok 10400 Thailand

Tel 66 – 2 – 2523777

Telex 20853 TONGCOP TH or 72183 TONGCOP TH

Contact Khun Vichai Kanathanavanich

PUEY HENG LONG CO.

1/24 Bangkok Bank Lane, Snaps Road, Bangkok 10100 Thailand

Tel 66 – 2 – 2216233 or 2217473 or 2216237

Telex 82305 PHLCO TH

Contact Khun Vichai Wongsrikasem

S.EA.P. RICE AGENCY LTD

1059 Charoenkrung Road, Siphraya, Bangkok 10500 Thailand

Tel 66 – 2 – : 2330041 or 2367736

Telex 82307 SEAPRA TH

Contact Khun Prasarn Tanphiphat

SAP NAKORN PATANA CO. LTD

68 Sub Road, Siphraya, Bangrak, Bangkok 10500 Thailand

Tel 66 – 2 – 2349010

Telex 87474 SAPCO TH

Contact Khun Chalerm Sathaporn

SERM WIN PACIFIC LTD.

138 Sapanyao Lane, New Road,Bangkok 10500 Thailand

Tel 66 – 2 – 2355895-6 or 2367997

Telex 20355 SERMWIN TH

Contact Khun Prachai Leophairatana

SUMITOMO CORP. THAILAND LTD

12th Floor, Central Chidlom Tower, 22 Soi Somkid, Ploenchit Road, Bangkok 10330 Thailand

Tel 66 – 2 – 2547043-68

Telex 87354 SUMITOM TH

Contact Tetsuo Satoh Sen (President)

THYE J00 LONG CO.

816-8 Songwad Road, Bangkok 10100 Thailand

Tel 66 – 2 – 2226141-5 or 2213270 or 2244924

Telex 82757 SAMRIT TH

Contact Khun Samarn Ophaswongse

UNICOOPJAPAN CO.

10th Floor, Maneeya Center Building, 51815 Ploenchit Road, Pathumwan, Bangkok 10330 Thailand.

Tel 66 – 2 - 2548364-6

Telex 82515 UNICO BK TH

Contact Toyoju Saito Sen

UNITED THAI PRODUCE TRADING CO.

6 Yukol 1 Road, Thepairintr, Bangkok 10100. Thailand.

Tel 66 – 2 – 2237443 or 2234583

Telex 87625 PROTHAI TH

Contact Khun Vivat Taephaisitphongae

[cenlonggo]

Cenlonggo

This years wet season 1st crop has just been harvested and is in the warehouses as you make your enquir, but I'm not sure you'll have much luck at the moment - national stocks are below average for this time of the years, and the bulk export license quantity has gone up both in terms of price and quantity (tonnage).

The 2nd crop, for those who are growing a 2nd wet season or late wet season crop, is in the ground and early indications are that its going to be nothing great - average - so is going to be used to fill in fo rthe first crop.

Still, you can buy bulk if you want to, just that I think you may be better off importing from India - if this is bulk. What sort of quantities do you have in mind?

In any event heres a list of the big names in bulk maize export:

AMORN CHAI CO. LTD.

293/25 Surawong Road, Bangkok 10500 Thailand

Tel 66 – 2 - 341502-9

Telex 82912 KAMKIJ TH

Contact Khun Poonsin Tivong

HONG YIAH SENG CO. LTD

196-8 Rajawong Road, Chakawad, Bangkok 10100 Thailand

Tel 66 – 2 – 240035 or 248685-93

Telex 82994 HONYISN TH

Contact Khun Prachai Leophairatana

INTER CORN (1983) CO.

13-19 Trok Rongnamkhaeng, New Road 24 Road, Bangkok 10100 Thailand

Tel 66 – 2 – 347328-9

Telex : 87946 INTCORN TH

Contact Khun Ninpat Chamroonratana

JOO SENG (THAILAND) CO. LTD

1/6 Bangkok Bank Lane, Suapa Road, Bangkok 10100 Thailand

Tel 66 – 2 – 223181 or 2212398 or 2210411or 2214964

Telex 82348 ANMAIZE TH

Contact Khun Narong Srinaneekulroj

KIT PORN CO. LTD

1/3 Bangkok Lane, Suapa Road, Bangkok 10100 Thailand

Tel 66 – 2 – 250055-64, or 256740-48

Telex 82174 KITPORN TH

Contact Khun Teerathep Kongsirivorkul

MAHARNNOP CO. LTD

778 Rama 4 Road, Siphraya, Bangkok 10500 Thailand

Tel 66 – 2 – 2332952 or 2335080

Telex 22690 MAHADON TH

Contact Khun Maharnnop Dejvitak

NAMSWAT ENTERPRISE CO. LTD.

1196 Songwad Road, Samphanthawong, Bangkok 10100 Thailand

Tel 66 – 2 – 2248256-7 or 2261401-5

Telex 82994 HONYISN TH

Contact Khun Mongkol Tangpanichayanont

NEW THAI PRODUCT CO. LTD

Vanit Building, 1126/1 New Phetchaburi Road, Bangkok 10400 Thailand

Tel 66 – 2 – 2523777

Telex 20853 TONGCOP TH or 72183 TONGCOP TH

Contact Khun Vichai Kanathanavanich

PUEY HENG LONG CO.

1/24 Bangkok Bank Lane, Snaps Road, Bangkok 10100 Thailand

Tel 66 – 2 – 2216233 or 2217473 or 2216237

Telex 82305 PHLCO TH

Contact Khun Vichai Wongsrikasem

S.EA.P. RICE AGENCY LTD

1059 Charoenkrung Road, Siphraya, Bangkok 10500 Thailand

Tel 66 – 2 – : 2330041 or 2367736

Telex 82307 SEAPRA TH

Contact Khun Prasarn Tanphiphat

SAP NAKORN PATANA CO. LTD

68 Sub Road, Siphraya, Bangrak, Bangkok 10500 Thailand

Tel 66 – 2 – 2349010

Telex 87474 SAPCO TH

Contact Khun Chalerm Sathaporn

SERM WIN PACIFIC LTD.

138 Sapanyao Lane, New Road,Bangkok 10500 Thailand

Tel 66 – 2 – 2355895-6 or 2367997

Telex 20355 SERMWIN TH

Contact Khun Prachai Leophairatana

SUMITOMO CORP. THAILAND LTD

12th Floor, Central Chidlom Tower, 22 Soi Somkid, Ploenchit Road, Bangkok 10330 Thailand

Tel 66 – 2 – 2547043-68

Telex 87354 SUMITOM TH

Contact Tetsuo Satoh Sen (President)

THYE J00 LONG CO.

816-8 Songwad Road, Bangkok 10100 Thailand

Tel 66 – 2 – 2226141-5 or 2213270 or 2244924

Telex 82757 SAMRIT TH

Contact Khun Samarn Ophaswongse

UNICOOPJAPAN CO.

10th Floor, Maneeya Center Building, 51815 Ploenchit Road, Pathumwan, Bangkok 10330 Thailand.

Tel 66 – 2 - 2548364-6

Telex 82515 UNICO BK TH

Contact Toyoju Saito Sen

UNITED THAI PRODUCE TRADING CO.

6 Yukol 1 Road, Thepairintr, Bangkok 10100. Thailand.

Tel 66 – 2 – 2237443 or 2234583

Telex 87625 PROTHAI TH

Contact Khun Vivat Taephaisitphongae

thx maizefarmer. r u also in corn buss?

last month and this month many indo feedmills, especially in jakarta, have made import contract for this month delivery. i heard it was around 200 usd/ton cnf jakarta. while at that time, the local price, east java, in my area is 200 usd/ton. situation is we will have national main harvest in november, and the feedmill has already import a lot of quantity. so, i guess they'll storm the price down. so, may be r u right, not a good time.

frankly i never import before. but i know sometimes the price difference is quite big, especially now there is AFTA. locally, i usually have 2000-3000 ton/month open contract to feedmills. for import, if it's feasible, i'd like to try some containers first to have experience untill i have dependable and bonafide suppliers.

do u know the corn standard for feedmill in thailand?

[Maizefarmer]

I grow maize quite a lot to feed my own livestock - whole plant i.e. stalk, foilage & kernal - that was for many years my only involvement, but recently I got into milling for livestock feed (not processing for the food market) in a small way - I process around 7 ton per/day (seed) - and all is purchased on the domestic market from small time traders, or directly from farmers.

So, no - I am not a trader - I am a grower and a buyer, and through milling have got some knowledge of the bulk business, and know who the main exporters are (as on the list I gave you).

Those companies on the list I gave you are reputable/bonafide/established/licensed exporters and Department of Trade registered, who can satisfy whatever SGS requirement the client wants met, and can offer you whatever certificate is required.

I'm sorry I can't be of much more help than that - your best bet will be to contact the companies on the list. I know pricing betwen them can very as much as 10% at times!

Best contract time (for volume buyers in Thailand) is late June/early July, or end of the year i.e. late November/early December.