Shop Girls In Samui

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sorry, I screwed up....

They needed 2000 baht for the trip and I would get it back after she came back. A few WEEKS later I spotted her in HER bar and she said she had just arived in the morning she was still without money. A few days later she suddenly came and passed me the 2000 baht and I decided to refuse it. A girlfriend of hers aproached me and asked what happened as she was crying every night so next time I saw he I asked WHY she want to pay back and answer was it would made her happy... To clarify: they start looking at you as a friend NOT a customer and that takes time you havent got in a few weeks...

[BigC]

it is now illegal to be a free lancer in thailand they are arresting them in bangkok. i know there will always be free lancers but these type of working girl is not exepted because they pose as normall working girls during the day time. bu working in a shop or something then night time down the disco then into the bed of a forang then a big arguement the next day with the first time forang man who thinks he has pulled a bird legitimatly anddoes not know why he has to pay.

why i mean is just because some girls do not work in the bar does not mean that they are not playing the game. i agrea with samui Jens. play but don't pay.

[ham]

You smart guys MARK.. & JENS out there:

A salary of 5-6.000 THB a month for 10 hours a day, one day off a week and maybe one week off a year is UNFAIR and that is surely the right word. Why "shop girls" and whoever are dating sweating, beer smelling, fat, ugly, red skinned farangs?

Any comments?

[BigC]

You smart guys MARK.. & JENS out there:

A salary of 5-6.000 THB a month for 10 hours a day, one day off a week and maybe one week off a year is UNFAIR and that is surely the right word. Why "shop girls" and whoever are dating sweating, beer smelling, fat, ugly, red skinned farangs?

Any comments?

i ain't sweating .)

my g/f doesn't work bar and works 6 days a week and doesn't ask me for money so what am i doing wrong. i england i used to do long shift work for crap money at times. everyone has to work. no excuss for working bar apart from greed or bad other habbits.

[ham]

You smart guys MARK.. & JENS out there:

A salary of 5-6.000 THB a month for 10 hours a day, one day off a week and maybe one week off a year is UNFAIR and that is surely the right word. Why "shop girls" and whoever are dating sweating, beer smelling, fat, ugly, red skinned farangs?

Any comments?

i ain't sweating .)

my g/f doesn't work bar and works 6 days a week and doesn't ask me for money so what am i doing wrong. i england i used to do long shift work for crap money at times. everyone has to work. no excuses for working bar apart from greed or bad other habbits.

but anyway it is unfair what happen here with the labor folk. For me it is more a kind of slavery. Sure they have maybe not a hard job and some may even like it to hang around in a shop 10 or more hours a day with a sexy uniform and a big mirror in it. Whatever it is a shame how Thais treat their staffs sometimes. Can be watched better when they are from Myanmar. Watch the Isaan laborers on the construction sites.

So for me this is kinda gangster-capitalism in the small scale. Thailand is not a 3d world country anymore, since long time. There is people out there which have an idea about a master plan, recycling, sewage systems, pollution, traffic. Why this knowledge transfer is so slowly or even not available, like it seem to me? But putting a law through for helmet, most not want to wear seems to happen and supported easily?? Not want to discuss helmet or not helmet, it is just an understandable example

You know it too unfair is unfair, simple as that

[sbk]

Ham, I had a teacher in the 7th grade who taught me one valuable lesson that has stuck with me.

Nobody ever said life would be fair.

[britmaveric]

Thailand is not a 3rd world country????

[Mark Wolfe]

Man, Mark, you love to start trouble in many of your posts, is the reason here that you can't find a real woman????Must be your additude, just my opinon, but ask others here on tv. maybe it's just me that thinks this way about your posts!?!

It seems to me that one way to get a better perspective on this issue is to ask the local men what they think. I don't know many local men, and SBK is married to one. I misunderstood her past posts and thought that she and he lived in an area outside of the bars, massage parlors and "shops." I had thought that her husband wouldn't be acquainted with that side of the island life. But either I was wrong, or SBK is playing a double-blind on me.

Whatever, I am not trying to start trouble, I am very curious what non-foreigner men think of the shopgirls and their dabbling in prostitution (or not, as the case may be).

A "real woman"? Why bother with one of those when I have my life-size, inflatable Japanese model doll to sleep with every night?

BigC:

my g/f doesn't work bar and works 6 days a week and doesn't ask me for money so what am i doing wrong

How much does she make a month compared to you? Four-figures vs. six-figures?

[Boo]

It is quite possible for the local men with their eyes, to see the bars, girls & customers & ears to hear what other local people are talking about them to form their own opinions (yes thai people can have opinions without first checking it with the local farang population) based on talking with other local poeple about the ever increasing bar trade on KPG & their own observations without them being part of it.

But fyi, I am quite sure (nay 100% positive) that sbk's husband leaves their home, she hasn't got him chained up or anything , so yes, he probably does hear, see & talk to other locals about it.

Or are you saying that only people living amoungst the sleeze or only the whoremongers are welcome to give their views?? How odd!!

[rixalex]

It is quite possible for the local men with their eyes, to see the bars, girls & customers & ears to hear what other local people are talking about them to form their own opinions (yes thai people can have opinions without first checking it with the local farang population) based on talking with other local poeple about the ever increasing bar trade on KPG & their own observations without them being part of it.

But fyi, I am quite sure (nay 100% positive) that sbk's husband leaves their home, she hasn't got him chained up or anything , so yes, he probably does hear, see & talk to other locals about it.

Or are you saying that only people living amoungst the sleeze or only the whoremongers are welcome to give their views?? How odd!!

Maybe he's saying that offering an opinion based on first-hand experience is more likely to be accurate than an opinion based on a bit of hearsay.

[koheesti]

A related side note - I'm currently watching "Party Girls" from 1958 on TCM. It's about girls (NOT prostitutes, but showgirls) who work in an upscale club where rich guys come in buy the girls expensive gifts, take them home and even help out with their rent ("I told him I was behind on rent and even managed to raise my rent to $200!).

oh, and I'd also be interested in the general opinion of local Thai men on this topic.

Edited July 25, 2008 by koheesti

[Boo]

Maybe he's saying that offering an opinion based on first-hand experience is more likely to be accurate than an opinion based on a bit of hearsay.

he didn't specify accuracy of knowledge, just wanted the opinion of local thai men. Of which sbk's husband is one.

But maybe we should be asking all the people who have contributed thus far to give us their whoremongering credentials, just to be sure they have sufficeint experience with either bg's or shop girls to give a (first hand) opinion rather than just an opinion formed from observation & (possible) discussion with other local residents.

[sbk]

Oh, I didn't get the impression that Mark was sincerely interested in his opinion but rather more interested in slagging off both him and me in one single post. Forgive me if I was mistaken that referring to my husband and myself as hayseeds ignorant of the outside world was anything more than a very unsubtle and well, low class dig. Frankly, I expected something a tad more intelligent out of Mark and was sadly mistaken.

[BusyBee123]

do you guys wonder what the pro situation is like in your home countries?

[joecoolonsamui]

do you guys wonder what the pro situation is like in your home countries?

Ya, and what about the shop girls there? ...BTW I was once married to a local back there and she did not like the sleeze or whoremongers either!

[Mark Wolfe]

Oh, I didn't get the impression that Mark was sincerely interested in his opinion but rather more interested in slagging off both him and me in one single post. Forgive me if I was mistaken that referring to my husband and myself as hayseeds ignorant of the outside world was anything more than a very unsubtle and well, low class dig. Frankly, I expected something a tad more intelligent out of Mark and was sadly mistaken.

Rixalex:

Maybe he's saying that offering an opinion based on first-hand experience is more likely to be accurate than an opinion based on a bit of hearsay.

Thank you.

My point, seriously, was that if SBK and her husband indeed lived away from the "action," (and I was thinking of the couple who own the Mai Pen Rai Bungalows in Than Sadet; of course the husband will have an opinion, but I'd assume that since most of the time is spent on the quiet beach, the perceptions would be more removed from first hand observation).

The "hayseed life" comment was supposed to be dry humor, and SBK had elsewhere spoken of the how appreciative they were of the time when 24-hour electricity came to the island. Isn't living in a place in this day and age, or 20 years ago, without continuous electric supply a sort of hayseed life?

Look, if you want my opinion on life in the city of Bangkok, I can give it to you, but whatever I say is very, very far removed from the salient comments that someone who actually lives there could give. I wasn't implying that SBK or anyone was ignorant. I mean, who would you ask for directions about Bangkok, a person who lives in Bangkok or someone who lives on Koh Phangan?

So I apologize for any ruffled feathers.

Are there any Thai women posting here on Thaivisa forum? Is there even one? I just want to know what the local thoughts are on this.

[sbk]

Apology accepted.

Well, I can tell you what the local women have told me, if you are truly interested. Bear in mind, that these are all older ladies so they find the display on the horny mile to be, well, extremely improper and not at all polite. I imagine they wonder at these girls upbringing as local girls do not get involved in the business.

[limbos]

SBK,

With all due respect, local girls on KP, just as on Samui, most likely won't have the need to make that choice, as long as Daddy or Mum don't gamble away all the money they made on land deals, or otherwise manage to get rid of the mills.

These girls that work the mile would most likely rather die than perform this job in the streets near home! Another reason that if a KP girl would end up choosing this profession, it would not be on KP or Samui!

[sbk]

true enough, but there isn't a culture of it in the South and I imagine that if you travelled all over and quizzed various bar girls where they are from you would find very very few from the South.

[limbos]

In general I think that the South is economically better off than the North East, consequently, Southern girls are less challenged to participate in the flesh trade.

Over the years I encountered plenty who originate from the South though, but in general the majority originates from the North East, North and Central region.

[meatgrowler]

In general I think that the South is economically better off than the North East, consequently, Southern girls are less challenged to participate in the flesh trade.

Over the years I encountered plenty who originate from the South though, but in general the majority originates from the North East, North and Central region.

I have questioned many of samuis bargirls and trust me,many are from the south!

[Mark Wolfe]

Wherever on the compass....there is something that sticks in the back of my mind...

A bargirl -- well-spoken and quite savvy -- once said to me something to the effect of, "I don't know why any girl would work in a shop [meaning not go out with customers for sex]. You'd have to be crazy."

Her meaning was, when you can make 20,000 baht a month and upwards (decent go-go girls in Bangkok can make 100,000 a month if they apply themselves; even lazy ones can make half that) why would you take a job for 5,000 to 8,000 a month working long hours with virtually no holidays and possibly a crap boss?

The girl on the game can get free meals of the sort that she would never afford otherwise, gifts, often a nice place to live (if she hooks up longer time), free alcohol and is paid money for intimacy (which generally speaking is an enjoyable pastime, contrived or not).

I understand the "nice girl/good girl" idea of not promoting your body and companionship for money, but at the same time, it's not exactly frowned upon here (the parents of the girls basically all know exactly what is going on -- the money sent back isn't from the savings from working at 7-Eleven).

So back to the point, I think it is more likely than not that a shop girl understands that foreigners are where the potential money and security lie. I also think that if you deal with women in Samui, generally you will be expected to support them in some fashion. Sure exceptions are out there (and I know of some girls who will suspend their normal requirement for money in the hopes that the one guy who is in love with her and looks like a real "catch" might be spooked away if she asked or implied that she expected some cash flow in her direction. The hook comes much later. It's called luring). But as was earlier mentioned, and as has been told to me, this region is rife with what I call, "money girls."

But if you want to ride you have to pay the fare; it's like Disneyland -- the rollercoaster ain't free.

[BigC]

Man, Mark, you love to start trouble in many of your posts, is the reason here that you can't find a real woman????Must be your additude, just my opinon, but ask others here on tv. maybe it's just me that thinks this way about your posts!?!

It seems to me that one way to get a better perspective on this issue is to ask the local men what they think. I don't know many local men, and SBK is married to one. I misunderstood her past posts and thought that she and he lived in an area outside of the bars, massage parlors and "shops." I had thought that her husband wouldn't be acquainted with that side of the island life. But either I was wrong, or SBK is playing a double-blind on me.

Whatever, I am not trying to start trouble, I am very curious what non-foreigner men think of the shopgirls and their dabbling in prostitution (or not, as the case may be).

A "real woman"? Why bother with one of those when I have my life-size, inflatable Japanese model doll to sleep with every night?

BigC:

my g/f doesn't work bar and works 6 days a week and doesn't ask me for money so what am i doing wrong

How much does she make a month compared to you? Four-figures vs. six-figures?

she gets my figure. i am one sexy man .) that migtht be why i good 1 of the rare breed

[BigC]

Wherever on the compass....there is something that sticks in the back of my mind...

A bargirl -- well-spoken and quite savvy -- once said to me something to the effect of, "I don't know why any girl would work in a shop [meaning not go out with customers for sex]. You'd have to be crazy."

Her meaning was, when you can make 20,000 baht a month and upwards (decent go-go girls in Bangkok can make 100,000 a month if they apply themselves; even lazy ones can make half that) why would you take a job for 5,000 to 8,000 a month working long hours with virtually no holidays and possibly a crap boss?

The girl on the game can get free meals of the sort that she would never afford otherwise, gifts, often a nice place to live (if she hooks up longer time), free alcohol and is paid money for intimacy (which generally speaking is an enjoyable pastime, contrived or not).

I understand the "nice girl/good girl" idea of not promoting your body and companionship for money, but at the same time, it's not exactly frowned upon here (the parents of the girls basically all know exactly what is going on -- the money sent back isn't from the savings from working at 7-Eleven).

So back to the point, I think it is more likely than not that a shop girl understands that foreigners are where the potential money and security lie. I also think that if you deal with women in Samui, generally you will be expected to support them in some fashion. Sure exceptions are out there (and I know of some girls who will suspend their normal requirement for money in the hopes that the one guy who is in love with her and looks like a real "catch" might be spooked away if she asked or implied that she expected some cash flow in her direction. The hook comes much later. It's called luring). But as was earlier mentioned, and as has been told to me, this region is rife with what I call, "money girls."

But if you want to ride you have to pay the fare; it's like Disneyland -- the rollercoaster ain't free.

it i is all the girls parents. my girl friend does not come from a rich family yet if they were to find me g/f was working as a prostitue then they would go mental.

they are already suspicious becuase i am a forang and samui has a rep. for this sorte of thing but i manage to sway the parents that i am not sa cheat or a tourist. girls bar girls are sporn by bad parents and greed. forget the sob storys i bet everyone on here has one. they just don't use it to sell sex

[Mark Wolfe]

You are a rare exception BigC. It would be hard for me to justify me making six-figures a month while the light of my life toils for a month just to get what I do for four hours' work. I definitely want my girl to have an occupation, or at least something to do with her time that is productive, but "love" only goes so far. I would feel compelled to help her with whatever financial needs she wanted, but not lavish her with riches.

But if she doesn't expect you to offer her anything, swell; and if you both are just making ends meet, that's understandable.

(By the way, I don't know how much your girl makes; so maybe she is an accountant or something and makes 16,000 a month. If that is the case, then I'd be less inclined to help with anything other than spot needs since that is very good money here. But most "shop girls" don't make half that.)

I know you were joking about being a sexy man, but it reminds me of the refrain I hear about this time of year from a number of working girls regarding Italian men ("Italian Month" is just a few days away). A few Italian men, according to several women I have spoken with, come and avail themselves of the services of they young ladies and then refuse to pay them anything. They say, and I am paraphrasing one girl: "Hey! I am handsome Italian man! You are lucky to have handsome man like me! You should pay ME to fxxx you! Hahaha!" And off they go. The Samui version of "dine and dash."

Oh, and I forgot something. They don't always mention this to the tourists, but many of the girls here came because of some "broken heart" or other breakup with a Thai man. And they usually have a friend here to soften the landing (and who has been whispering tales of easy money to be made in Samui).

Interestingly, just about 5 days ago I got a call from a girl who had been working in a bar and gone home. She came back and I asked if she was going to work in the same bar. She said she didn't want to work in a bar anymore and thought that working in a place like 7-Eleven or a shop/restaurant would be better, and that she could find foreigners (for the usual) after work.

Also, I think many of the girls here get into some sort of snowball effect -- they start to get some big money, then they start a spending project that needs a steady income of the sort that a shop can't provide (buy a car or improve/build the house back home are common) and, although they don't really savor the idea of being in a bar or chumming foreigners after shop hours, they NEED that big income to finish the roof/make the car payments, etc.

[lowerlakeside]

regardless of what they do for a living ,they are just poor girls trying to make the most of their situation(farangs with money and a ticket out if lucky)and we farangs are doing the same hanging out with beautiful young women who wouldnt give us the time of day back in the west. Take it for what it is..its your money and your life..just be carefull,the road out of thailand is littered with lost souls and shatttered dreams

[meatgrowler]

You are a rare exception BigC. It would be hard for me to justify me making six-figures a month while the light of my life toils for a month just to get what I do for four hours' work. I definitely want my girl to have an occupation, or at least something to do with her time that is productive, but "love" only goes so far. I would feel compelled to help her with whatever financial needs she wanted, but not lavish her with riches.

But if she doesn't expect you to offer her anything, swell; and if you both are just making ends meet, that's understandable.

(By the way, I don't know how much your girl makes; so maybe she is an accountant or something and makes 16,000 a month. If that is the case, then I'd be less inclined to help with anything other than spot needs since that is very good money here. But most "shop girls" don't make half that.)

I know you were joking about being a sexy man, but it reminds me of the refrain I hear about this time of year from a number of working girls regarding Italian men ("Italian Month" is just a few days away). A few Italian men, according to several women I have spoken with, come and avail themselves of the services of they young ladies and then refuse to pay them anything. They say, and I am paraphrasing one girl: "Hey! I am handsome Italian man! You are lucky to have handsome man like me! You should pay ME to fxxx you! Hahaha!" And off they go. The Samui version of "dine and dash."

Oh, and I forgot something. They don't always mention this to the tourists, but many of the girls here came because of some "broken heart" or other breakup with a Thai man. And they usually have a friend here to soften the landing (and who has been whispering tales of easy money to be made in Samui).

Interestingly, just about 5 days ago I got a call from a girl who had been working in a bar and gone home. She came back and I asked if she was going to work in the same bar. She said she didn't want to work in a bar anymore and thought that working in a place like 7-Eleven or a shop/restaurant would be better, and that she could find foreigners (for the usual) after work.

Also, I think many of the girls here get into some sort of snowball effect -- they start to get some big money, then they start a spending project that needs a steady income of the sort that a shop can't provide (buy a car or improve/build the house back home are common) and, although they don't really savor the idea of being in a bar or chumming foreigners after shop hours, they NEED that big income to finish the roof/make the car payments, etc.

Excellent,true to life post Mark..you seem to think the same as me...the escape to samui for the broken hearted girls is very true,they dont want exes or some family to ever find them,changed are a new phone number and name even....and as you say,many were attracted here by the lure of a close,already established friend!.There life starts afresh now,some will sleep with their first farang at the age of 30 or more...this is when the penny drops and they realize all those years of earning 6-8 000 bht working shops in bangkok and supporting 3 kids and an abusive,lazy husband were totally wasted.

[SamuiJens]

THE LOVE YOU GET IS EQUAL TO THE PRICE YOU PAY.

[roygsd]

Rixalex,

In Thailand it is common to show respect by giving a little present/envelop/money.

I have been going to LOS for bloody years, clealy thais have no respect for me or most other farangs as I personlly have not recieved any money in an envelope and neithee has anyone I know, however I do understand many farangs have returned home with a little unwelcome present to show their Dr's.

Roy gsd

[SamuiJens]

Rixalex,

In Thailand it is common to show respect by giving a little present/envelop/money.

I have been going to LOS for bloody years, clealy thais have no respect for me or most other farangs as I personlly have not recieved any money in an envelope and neithee has anyone I know, however I do understand many farangs have returned home with a little unwelcome present to show their Dr's.

Roy gsd

That's one of them!