American Election Results 2004

[Insight]

Okay Ken from Kolat, what have you got to gain from Bush winning?

[Flummoxed]

[Jockstar]

Just discussingb this thread with the missus. She still cant believe it. She even turned CNN off so as not to listen to the shit. Shes Thai! Just goes to show. USA . Should be be. UAS. U Are Stupid. I hope you can live with yourselfs.

Watching CNN also with my wife (yes she is Thai). She doesn't seem to be having the same emotional problems your's is having. If Kerry had been the "projected" winner I wouldn't be CRYING like you appear to be. Lighten up.

I'm not American. I just feel sorry for the world. I'm not crying. But i bet there is people in the world who are. The people who voted for him will regret this. I am sure of that. My missus is an educated girl and understands the effect this will have on the world.. No disrespect intended!!!! To your wife!

[Ken]

Who is the better man for Thailand or Asia regaion? Bush or Kerry?

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Ok George, I'll say Bush. For no particular reason other than I don't believe or trust Kerry. Nor is Bush way up there on the ladder of trust either, just furthur up than Kerry for me.

[Ken]

Just discussingb this thread with the missus. She still cant believe it. She even turned CNN off so as not to listen to the shit. Shes Thai! Just goes to show. USA . Should be be. UAS. U Are Stupid. I hope you can live with yourselfs.

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Watching CNN also with my wife (yes she is Thai). She doesn't seem to be having the same emotional problems your's is having. If Kerry had been the "projected" winner I wouldn't be CRYING like you appear to be. Lighten up.

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I'm not American. I just feel sorry for the world. I'm not crying. But i bet there is people in the world who are. The people who voted for him will regret this. I am sure of that. My missus is an educated girl and understands the effect this will have on the world.. No disrespect intended!!!! To your wife!

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Jockstar:

I am American. Nothing in particular to gain from Bush winning other than I felt he could do a better job than Kerry. Sure there are people in the world "crying" over Bush's win, and there are people who are happy with it. That's life.

My wife is "educated" also, and no disrespect taken.

[nokmdk]

As an American I am appaled at the foolishness of my fellow Americans at voting bush back in... I think i'm going to pretend i'm Canadian!

Greg

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hey leave us the heck outta ya bush bash and kerry parade.

no matter the out come, it will effect alot of countrys. on a personal note, i just want a US President that can spell, know the Capital of Canada and most of all know he needs my permission to bring his votes from Alaska across BC to the good old USA to be counted. now that ive got that out of my system for all Canadians like it or not GO BUSH GO!!! a us PRESIDENT that wont cow tow to middle asean leaders or Aribic countrys that use what ever means to get world attention. As for weather he is the right man or not? let me remind my fellow yanks about the lady in some Aribic country singing and dancing on the streets singing praise to god that over 3000 of my fellow brothers in yankville were just murdered.... is she still singing and dancing i wonder? all i pray now is that Bush gets the job done... a view point from a canuck eh !!!!!

[Jockstar]

Ken you are right. Everyone has differnet views. Thats life. So we can sit here and debate and argue all night. But at the end of the day. It looks like the monkey won. Kerry was an unknown. Guess myself and many people thought that he could do better. It would take a lot to do worse.

[Totster]

I am English..... IMHO I think democracy in the US is a farce, All Amercians should be ashamed of what the election process in the US has become.

Two men, each throwing enough money to run small countries into getting themselves elected, resorting to dirty tricks to confuse voters, voters being called on the phone or given leaflets with misleading information, black voters being harrassed... is this democracy...?

The more I read about this the more dismayed I am, the US has made democracy a laughing stock.

I don't think it matters which one of these two "former members of the skull and bones club" wins.... it is not them who will run the country, it will be the puppet masters pulling the strings.

That's my two cents worth... maybe I'm wrong but it's my opinion..

totster

[nokmdk]

That's my two cents worth... maybe I'm wrong but it's my opinion..

totster 

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your two cents cant be wrong if its your opinion but i'd rather hear your two baht worth.

(my thai content contribution for thread)

[simon43]

I'm accused of being dumb because I say this thread has nothing to do with Thailand

Well, if you want to stretch a point, then ANY subject can be related back to Thailand, I'm sure...

But I've just read the various postings here and there's no comments about how this US election will affect Thailand, or Americans living/visiting Thailand etc.

So forgive me, but my opinion (for what's it's worth), is that this thread is out of line on this forum (and bloody boring as well....)

[meom]

We are opening a temporary US Political thread here, although it's against the Forum rules and it's not direct Thailand related.

Please avoid bashing! The thread will be closed if it goes too hot.

Enjoy! Thanks!

/Admin

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George, can we get also a temporary bargirl thread? Christmas eve might be allright for all ###### on TV.

[Nam Kao]

BUSH IS IN !!!!

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Jockstar]

BUSH IS IN  !!!!        

    YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think he's happy. tell me again in2-3 years.

This wor;d as you know it has changed for the worst now.

[penzman]

We are looking at the result of a vote that clearly shows the total indifference from half the U.S. population towards the rest of the world. There will surely be more unrest and attacks, just don`t come a cryin` and whining for help... Your mess, you clean it up.

Why can`t a country that can spend hundreds of billions on wars have a uniform voting system?

One can only wonder what blunders we will witness in the next four years.

Hillary`s turn in 2008 I guess... Until then, have a cigar!

[Darknight]

We are looking at the result of a vote that clearly shows the total indifference from half the U.S. population towards the rest of the world. There will surely  be more unrest and attacks, just don`t come a cryin` and whining for help... Your mess, you clean it up.

Why can`t a country that can spend hundreds of billions on wars have a uniform voting system?

One can only wonder what blunders we will witness in the next four years.

Hillary`s turn in 2008 I guess... Until then, have a cigar!

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Hear Hear penz..... right on

[george]

this thread is out of line on this forum (and bloody boring as well....)

Simon, please read the first post in this thread again. Many members are not members of a any politcal fora, and we want to give an opportunity for all to ventilate the US election results.

You could always opt-out of this particular thread if it's not interesting to you.

[FreedomDude]

I'm sitting here in America (New Orleans) right now. I didn't vote for Bush OR Kerry. Believe it or not, there are 4-5 other candidates on the ballot, and I refuse to give in to the stranglehold the Democrats and Republicans have on the media and the election process. I will never cast a "lesser of 2 evils" vote merely to get the OTHER guy defeated. John Kerry did vote for the war as a U.S. Senator and he never made a commitment to bringing US troops home if elected.

For those who fear a Bush victory spells doom for the world, I think you're wrong. There won't be any Iraq-scale wars instigated by the US over the next 4 years. If you're concerned with the US economy and the impact that has on the rest of the world, then a Bush victory is a better outcome than a Kerry victory. Our income taxes won't go up, and businesses will have more incentives to create more jobs, etc, etc.

Don't worry: It's hardly the end of the world.

[lou62]

Although not an American myself (English) I'm with nokmdk, Bush has proven he will stand up to these Islamic Fundamentalist LUNATICS ( someone needs to).

Last night on TV the BBC ( no better than communists) were ecstatic in the belief Kerry had won, should see them now . . you'd think someone had died

[Nam Kao]

Now on to Iran and North Korea !!!

[stroll]

Although not an American myself (English) I'm with nokmdk, Bush has proven  he will stand up to these Islamic Fundamentalist LUNATICS ( someone needs to).

        Last night on TV the BBC ( no better than communists) were ecstatic in the belief Kerry had won, should see them now . .  you'd think someone had  died

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Many more will die, to make the US more secure for those who stay there.

Meanwhile, more Americans will continue to be gunned down by fellow US citizens than any 'terrorists' could hope to target.

A prime example of a 'civilised' society.

[PvtDick]

Today has seen me reaffirm my belief in two things:

1) The biggest downfall of democracy is it depends on a population that is smart enough to know what is best for them. The election (and probably re-election) of Taksin in Thailand is another case in point;

2) If it's below the Mason-Dixon line and east of the Rockies, it's a Bubba.

[daveh]

Just heard on the News that Kerry called the White house to concede the election. Although, I have not seen Kerry make a public statement yet.

This just in. Kerry Concedes, White House Aide Says

[Totster]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3979367.stm

totster

[george]

Bush wins

Kerry concedes

Candidates to speak later Wednesday

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/11/03/...main/index.html

(CNN) -- Democratic Sen. John Kerry phoned President Bush on Wednesday to concede the presidential election, a White House aide said.

President Bush was to deliver a victory statement at 3 p.m. ET, Bush aides said. Kerry was expected to make a concession speech at 1 p.m. ET at Faneuil Hall in Boston, Massachusetts.

Kerry's phone call came a few hours after White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card announced that the Bush campaign was convinced the president had won re-election.

"President Bush decided to give Sen. Kerry the respect of more time to reflect on the results of this election," Card told GOP supporters at the Reagan Federal Building and International Trade Center in Washington.

"We are convinced that President Bush has won re-election with at least 286 electoral votes," Card said. (Transcript of Card's comments)

Ahead in the popular vote by more than 3.7 million votes, the president moved tantalizingly close to winning an Electoral College majority with a lead in the key battleground state of Ohio, though the Buckeye State remained too close for CNN to call. (Electoral College)

"President Bush's decisive margin of victory makes this the first presidential election since 1988 in which the winner received a majority of the popular vote," said Card, referring to the White House victory by Bush's father, President George H.W. Bush. "And in this election, President Bush received more votes than any presidential candidate in our country's history."

So far, Bush is projected to have won 28 states, with 254 electoral votes, and a win in Ohio would assure him of at least 274 votes, more than the 270 he needs for a majority Electoral College. (Small inroads make difference for Bush)

Kerry has a projected 252 electoral votes.

A top adviser for Kerry had said Wednesday morning the campaign would determine its plan of action after looking at the "real numbers" in Ohio. The adviser said the Kerry team "won't make this a mystery too long."

Sen. John Edwards told a crowd early Wednesday at Copley Square in Boston, Massachusetts: "We will fight for every vote. You deserve no less."

Card claimed an important psychological victory in the nation's popular vote and said that in addition to Ohio the campaign was putting Iowa and New Mexico in the "winner's column as well." (CNN has no projection yet for Iowa and New Mexico.)

Bush leads in Ohio by more than 136,000 votes, with 100 percent of precincts reporting, according to CNN data.

Ohio Secretary of State Ken Blackwell issued orders for counties by 2 p.m. Wednesday to report total numbers of provisional ballots. Counting of those ballots will not begin until Thursday, according to Blackwell's directive.

It is not clear how long the ballot-counting will take. Initially, Blackwell said the counting of provisional and absentee ballots would not begin for 11 days.

He said he could not immediately put an estimate on the number of those ballots but said 250,000 might not be out of the realm of possibility.

While he said the exact number of provisional ballots was unknown, he said it is "trending toward 175,000."

Blackwell suggested that "everybody just take a deep breath and relax."

In another key battleground state, Kerry is projected the winner in Wisconsin.

Iowa election officials blamed broken machines, a delay in opening absentee ballots and apparent fatigue for delaying the secretary of state's report of a final count until some time Wednesday.

New Mexico is too close to call and will not release presidential election results until later Wednesday because thousands of absentee ballots remain uncounted, according to a spokesman for the secretary of state.

The key turning point in Tuesday's election came when Bush carried Florida, which the president won four years ago by just 537 votes after a lengthy dispute. This time around, though, there was no question who won the Sunshine State, where Bush's margin was more than 370,000 votes. (Special Report: America Votes 2004)

Few states switched from the party of four years ago. New Hampshire, which Bush narrowly won in 2000, went for Kerry. Bush has so far carried no state carried by Democrat Al Gore four years ago, although he leads in two, Iowa and New Mexico.

GOP projected to keep control of Congress

Republicans are projected to retain control of the House and Senate, adding to their majorities in both chambers with strong showings in Southern states. (Senate, House)

In South Dakota, former GOP Rep. John Thune claimed victory over the Senate's top Democrat, Minority Leader Tom Daschle.

GOP candidates are projected to win open Democratic seats in four Southern states and were ahead in a fifth, Florida. The party also is projected to keep vulnerable Republican seats in Oklahoma and Kentucky and to lead in a third, Alaska.

The only GOP setbacks were projected in Illinois, where rising Democratic star Barack Obama took the seat vacated by retiring GOP Sen. Peter Fitzgerald, and in Colorado, where Democratic Attorney General Ken Salazar is projected to beat beer magnate Pete Coors in the race to replace retiring Republican Sen. Ben Nighthorse Campbell. (Senate)

Those results, coupled with the projected Daschle loss in South Dakota, would give the Republicans a net gain of four seats, making the lineup in the new Senate 55 Republicans, 44 Democrats and one independent.

Daschle could be the first Senate party leader to lose his seat in 52 years.

In the battle for the 435 House seats, Republicans are projected to retain their majority, winning 230 seats -- a net gain of at least four seats. CNN projects Democrats with 202 seats and one independent. (House)

Two more seats will be decided in a Louisiana runoff in December.

GOP candidates are projected to pick up six Democratic seats -- five in Texas, where a controversial redistricting plan pushed by House Majority Leader Tom DeLay redrew the state's map to make it more Republican-friendly.

In addition, two other veteran Texas Democrats forced by the new map to run against Republican incumbents -- Reps. Charles Stenholm and Martin Frost -- also are projected to lose.

Democrats are projected to take a Republican seat in Illinois, where Melissa Bean defeated veteran GOP Rep. Phil Crane.

If projections hold, it will be the sixth consecutive election in which the GOP has held the majority.

Of the 11 gubernatorial races, close contests are expected in Missouri, New Hampshire and Washington.

In Indiana, CNN is projecting a big win for former Bush administration official Mitch Daniels over Indiana Gov. Joe Kernan.

Ballot measures

Six months after gay and lesbian couples won the right to marry in Massachusetts, opponents of same-sex marriage struck back Tuesday, with voters in 11 states projected to approve constitutional amendments codifying marriage as exclusively being between a man and a woman.

California voters, who faced 16 statewide ballot measures, are projected to pass a measure to establish a constitutional right to conduct research using stem cells and to authorize $3 billion for such research.

A ballot measure approving the use of marijuana for medical reasons is projected to pass in Montana.

Colorado voters are projected to reject a proposal to change its winner-take-all to allocated electoral votes for presidential candidates.

A Florida measure to require parental notification before minors can obtain an abortion is projected to passed.

Gambling is another hot ballot issue, with six states deciding 13 measures.

CNN's John King and Kelly Wallace contributed to this report.

[Totster]

Ah well....

[kat]

I am English..... IMHO I think democracy in the US is a farce, All Amercians should be ashamed of what the election process in the US has become.

Two men, each throwing enough money to run small countries into getting themselves elected, resorting to dirty tricks to confuse voters, voters being called on the phone or given leaflets with misleading information, black voters being harrassed... is this democracy...?

The more I read about this the more dismayed I am, the US has made democracy a laughing stock.

I don't think it matters which one of these two "former members of the skull and bones club" wins.... it is not them who will run the country, it will be the puppet masters pulling the strings.

That's my two cents worth... maybe I'm wrong but it's my opinion..

totster 

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You know, the results from this election are going to be extremely difficult for a lot of people from around the world, and especially Americans that did not want Bush elected the first time, never mind again.

I cannot really express to you my dismay and sense of hopelessness and loss over what I perceived to be some semblance of a country to which I belonged. I simply cannot express here my sense of loss.

So I while I can understand the irrestiable impulse to make self-rigthteous cynical jabs, I have to question the smug attitude of Europeans and Brits that think all Americans are supposed to walk around in shame with their heads hung down. Why, because I am American by birth, or because of my beliefs? Should I hold you responsible for all the unresolved mistakes of the has-been British Empire that continue to haunt foreign conflicts? Should I hold you responsible for every minority that is beaten up or killed in England?

Please, tonight is not the time to wallow in smug, superficial, and ill-conceived cross-atlantic snobbery. Contrary to what you would like to believe, many Americans are very smart and know very well what the ###### problems are in our ###### country. Do you know what the problems are in yours?

Some of us are seriously disturbed tonight, and we could do without your self-congrulatory smugness. Good for you, your English. I'm so happy for you. But as it turns out, I'm American, and George Bush is not my ###### fault, so ###### off if the only thing you have to say is that I should be ashamed.

I wish a drink would help in this case, but it won't.

[meom]

Now on to Iran and North Korea !!!

And the Draft.

[Jeff1]

Im happy !! And .. thats all that really matters

[Khun ?]

Now only if we can bring all of our troops home from Eurpoe and Asia. We have had to do the dirty work for to many years already. The U.S. goverment spends billions employing foreigners and if you every wanted to see double pricing thailand has nothing on some of our allies that have been putting the screws to us

for 50 years or more. To heck with Iran and North Korea let their nieghbors straighten the mess out. We need to cut our foreign aid to Nato the U.N and all of them. The Balkans would still be going on if we did not spend billions and sacrifice

troops because our weasel friends wouldn't take care of their own backyard. Oh of course that is all right to do their dirty work because they were making billions off us. We are better off making allies with the Russians now and to he** with the rest of them. We don't need fair weather friends that bleed our tax payers money.

The ones we have helped the most end up in most cases being our enemies anyways.

Let them fend for themselves.

[Totster]

I am English..... IMHO I think democracy in the US is a farce, All Amercians should be ashamed of what the election process in the US has become.

Two men, each throwing enough money to run small countries into getting themselves elected, resorting to dirty tricks to confuse voters, voters being called on the phone or given leaflets with misleading information, black voters being harrassed... is this democracy...?

The more I read about this the more dismayed I am, the US has made democracy a laughing stock.

I don't think it matters which one of these two "former members of the skull and bones club" wins.... it is not them who will run the country, it will be the puppet masters pulling the strings.

That's my two cents worth... maybe I'm wrong but it's my opinion..

totster 

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You know, the results from this election are going to be extremely difficult for a lot of people from around the world, and especially Americans that did not want Bush elected the first time, never mind again.

I cannot really express to you my dismay and sense of hopelessness and loss over what I perceived to be some semblance of a country to which I belonged. I simply cannot express here my sense of loss.

So I while I can understand the irrestiable impulse to make self-rigthteous cynical jabs, I have to question the smug attitude of Europeans and Brits that think all Americans are supposed to walk around in shame with their heads hung down. Why, because I am American by birth, or because of my beliefs? Should I hold you responsible for all the unresolved mistakes of the has-been British Empire that continue to haunt foreign conflicts? Should I hold you responsible for every minority that is beaten up or killed in England?

Please, tonight is not the time to wallow in smug, superficial, and ill-conceived cross-atlantic snobbery. Contrary to what you would like to believe, many Americans are very smart and know very well what the ###### problems are in our ###### country. Do you know what the problems are in yours?

Some of us are seriously disturbed tonight, and we could do without your self-congrulatory smugness. Good for you, your English. I'm so happy for you. But as it turns out, I'm American, and George Bush is not my ###### fault, so ###### off if the only thing you have to say is that I should be ashamed.

I wish a drink would help in this case, but it won't.

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I have to question the smug attitude of Europeans and Brits that think all Americans are supposed to walk around in shame with their heads hung down.  Why, because I am American by birth, or because of my beliefs?

Kat - Maybe I picked the wrong word there...

I am not commenting on who the American have elected as their president, but I am commenting on the process used for electing that president. When I say ashamed, what I meant was that the US population, with it's fierce pride of it's nation, must surely feel a dent in that pride when it is pushed through the US election process. Please don't think I meant that you should be ashamed to be American, most definately not.. !

Maybe not... I am looking at this from the outside and can see the farce that is the US presidential election, I am not alone, many people I talk to share this view.

Should I hold you responsible for all the unresolved mistakes of the has-been British Empire that continue to haunt foreign conflicts?  Should I hold you responsible for every minority that is beaten up or killed in England?

Looking back through my post, I can't see any comments about any mistakes your government has made or continue to make past or present, so why you feel the need to make such a comment I don't know ..

and we could do without your self-congrulatory smugness

Why would I be congratulating myself.... It makes no difference to me who is the president of the United States.. none what so ever.... and why would I be smug ?

Read my post again.... It is the US Democratic process that has everyone (outside of the US ) shrugging their shoulders and rolling their eyes ...

totster